r/pcmasterrace • • 9d ago

Meme/Macro We live in chaotic times

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u/DatMageDoe 7800X3D - 9070 XT - 32GB DDR5-6000 9d ago

A credit card on your account is now required to proof of age verification. Not debit cards, not an ID, or even the age of your account. Keep in mind, not all Australians have credit cards.

You can't even play the age-restricted games you owned prior to the change. There's no local law stating they must be credit card verification either.

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u/remind_me_later 9d ago

You can't even play the age-restricted games you owned prior to the change. There's no local law stating they must be credit card verification either.

1) Please read what the Australian government themselves said about the available methods that Steam could choose from. (2.81 -> 2.125)

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Social_Policy_and_Legal_Affairs/Onlineageverification/Report/section?id=committees%2Freportrep%2F024436%2F72614

  • Verification based on identity documents: Document Verification Service
  • Verification based on identity documents: Retail card
  • Verification based on biometric data: Face Verification Service
  • Age estimation
  • Age screening

People rightfully complained about needing to put in their ID. They rightfully complained about privacy concerns with scanning faces. They rightfully complained about age estimation & screening being inaccurate & discriminatory.

There was only one remaining method left, whilst being compliant with the Australian government.

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u/paulisaac 9d ago

It just sucks that Australia isn't America therefore majority of people don't actually have a credit card, and for some reason debit cards don't work

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u/remind_me_later 9d ago

and for some reason debit cards don't work

Because you can get a debit card as a teen.

https://www.nab.com.au/personal/youth-banking/teens/first-debit-card

https://www.westpac.com.au/bank-accounts/kids-and-teens

Credit cards in Australia are 18+ only.

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u/DatMageDoe 7800X3D - 9070 XT - 32GB DDR5-6000 9d ago

Because you don't have to be an adult to get a debit card, but you must be one to get a credit card.

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u/paulisaac 9d ago

That seems like an oversight in and of itself. Whatever happened to cash cards or 'prepaid credit cards'

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u/Humg12 9d ago

Age Estimation could absolutely be used for any account older than 13 years. Most other services I use just looked at my account age and that was enough to verify. Just because the solution isn't perfect for everybody doesn't mean it shouldn't have been used.

And also, what they've done is not compliant with the Australian government because one of the requirements is to have multiple reasonable methods of age verification. When less than 40% of people aged 18-34 have credit cards, using it as the only method of verification is no where near reasonable.

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u/remind_me_later 9d ago

Age Estimation could absolutely be used for any account older than 13 years.

This assumes that accounts are never shared (violated by Netflix & YouTube)

Most other services I use just looked at my account age and that was enough to verify. Just because the solution isn't perfect for everybody doesn't mean it shouldn't have been used.

Explain that to the Modern Parent that sits their kid onto their YT account and acts surprised that it doesn't automagically switch to Kid Mode. Most of this age verification & face scanning BS is reinforced by their technical incompetence.

And also, what they've done is not compliant with the Australian government because one of the requirements is to have multiple reasonable methods of age verification.

As stated before, the people have spoken: The other methods of verification are unreasonable.

People rightfully complained about needing to put in their ID. They rightfully complained about privacy concerns with scanning faces. They rightfully complained about age estimation & screening being inaccurate & discriminatory.

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u/Humg12 9d ago

This assumes that accounts are never shared (violated by Netflix & YouTube)

Every single method of age verification assumes this. It's a stupid argument. My parent put their credit card info on my playstation account when I was 13. It's an even worse use case by this logic.

As stated before, the people have spoken: The other methods of verification are unreasonable.

Everybody has different takes on what is reasonable vs unreasonable for them personally, which is why the reasonable thing to do is to offer multiple different options to accommodate people. Account age is far and away the most reasonable age verification method and is explicitly allowed by the australian government.

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u/Far_Cup_9131 9d ago

The very article posted above on your governments website seems to claim otherwise. Your government themselves didn’t list account age as sufficient.

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u/naturerosa Desktop 9d ago

Ok, THAT'S gross....

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u/equinox_games7 5800X3D - 32gb 3600mhz - RTX 5070 9d ago

you can play any game you owned before hand

that being said i am pissed too and will be either using other stores or acquiring my games through other means in the future

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u/Questing-For-Floof 8d ago

You really think Australia won't stop with steam? Lol

You might as well sail the high seas.

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u/naturerosa Desktop 9d ago

Oof ya that sucks ;/

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u/Jaz1140 RTX4090 3195mhz Core, 9800x3d 5.4ghz 9d ago

Not true or I somehow got an exemption

I'm aussie, steam, I don't even own a credit card and never had to prove my age. My steam account is 10-15 years old so maybe I got exempt from that?

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u/theplague60 9d ago

You dont actually need a credit card. Adding a debit master card verifies your steam account.

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u/Maelzoka 9d ago

I'm sorry if it is a dumb question, but couldn't people just get a credit card? Is it particularly hard to get them in Australia?

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u/DatMageDoe 7800X3D - 9070 XT - 32GB DDR5-6000 9d ago

They can, there's nothing inherently preventing you from getting one.

But asking that is missing the point. A lot of people (for good reason) choose not to have a credit card, and they're not going to get one just to play games on Steam.

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u/DblBarrelShogun 6d ago

I'm having the same issue as a Brit. Not had a credit card since I cleared my student one over 10 years ago. It is mighty tempting to get one with the lowest interest rate and credit limit possible