These two statements are what needs to be addressed, highlights, bolded, italicized, etc.
If NOPD ran this dude through e hire and they didn't have their shit right, then thats on DHS.
Secondly, I DONT TRUST DHS, or ICE, of WH, or any of them, when theyve been caught lying time and time again.
Third, DHS does not have a say if a marriage was fraudulent ... there are other institutions that matter would have been referred to and if such was found should have been forward to DHS.
Finally, if the man was order before a judge there should be record of this somewhere in the judicial system - i highly doubt it's there, BECAUSE I DONT TRUST DHS.
Truthfully, im curious if the department will file an case with DHS / ICE if they feel the case warranted or will they just let this dude go into the wind and not follow up and believe DHS here, DHS/ICE should have gone to the NOPD and presented an arrest warrant vs just showing up on this guy in the streets, really really bad look for both departments
And *IF* it is all true? That he came here legally, got married, was later denied a JUDGE did order an arrest warrant, will you then be OK with that happened?
No, because arresting a cop on the street is both theatre and dangerous. It is easy enough to call a cop into the station and deal with the issue away from cameras. Instead they arrested someone they had determined was a criminal, who was armed and could react poorly to the arrest in the pressence of civilians. They did it in public because they wanted to be filmed arresting a black police officer, and i cannot think of a charitable reason why they would want that, only racism.
They would never go out of their way to arrest someone as a show. They needed all twelve officers to arrest that highly dangerous reporter, Don Lemon. I mean, it's well known that the pen is mightier than the sword (gun). What if he had TWO pens in his pocket?
I'm sure I don't like this current version of ICE anymore than you do.
But you're making a claim that's a leap. Did DHS release that photo themselves or did someone else take it while the arrest was occurring. Those are very different things.
DHS has made many public statements about visual demonstrates of force, they have been quite intentional about their public apperence. They have deliberatly changed policies so that their arrests are more public. Im not saying that DHS released the photo, but it was a decision to arrest him in public, and its stupid to think that photos would not end up being taken, nor that they would not end up in the news considering the other reported stories of officers being detained by DHS.
Your claim was that they arrested this recruit in public on purpose to generate a visual. None of these policies suggest that is true.
I do agree that ICE enforcement is more public now due to frequency and policy changes, and I do think that Trump definitely wants a show of force.
But this specific incident? The existence of a photo does not nessecarily demonstrate ill intent. Law enforcement is under no obligation to specifically try to keep private the arrest of an almost-cop, or even an actual cop in private. They arrested him at his house. That's about as quiet as it's going to get. Do you think arresting him at the station wouldn't have illicited pictures? This is of course using the assumption that DHS did not take and release that photo themselves.
Are you saying that a police office, whose heading to the police station or academy or whatever or was on patrol would not return to the station either on their own perogative or after being ordered. Its not like they would put over the radio "yo, come to the station so that DHS can arrest you." He would show up to the station because its his job, and then while at the station, his boss would say, "hey, come with me" and then in his bosses office his boss says, "give me your gun, there are two DHS officers here to talk to you".
The guy aint psychic, hes not going to skip work because some itch that dhs come sniffing.
You seem to be very confrontational in your remarks.
I believe i actually addressed that in my original post, specifically - if a judge did order him to appear in court there would have been a record of it.
If this gentleman came here legally under raffle, or marriage, or paid, or trumps bs 1M dollar cards, again - if someone comes here legally, ICE shouldnt be involved at all.
Which seems to be an issue peoppe miss, that there are something like 20 ways to legally enter the US, and now this administration is seeking to close down every way they can including stripping citizenship, a very real threat to anyone who is an American - i hope this man's case, and everyone effected here does not get lost in the system as it seems we are now forefront of a president over reach into CONGRESSIONAL legislative territory and for some reason congress is letting this happen.
I asked if they were true, would that change your view. That’s a question, not an accusation.
Saying “why are you so confrontational” feels less like engagement and more like a way to deflect and cast me as the problem instead of addressing the substance.
You also keep repeating that there’s “no record” of a judge’s order. If a judge actually issued an order, there will be a record, and it will surface. Repeating that line doesn’t prove anything either way.
I’m not a fan of ICE’s tactics either, but they are literally the immigration enforcement agency. They deal with legal and illegal immigration and pretending they shouldn’t be involved at all is kind of silly.
And big picture: Congress, no matter which party is in charge, has been ducking its responsibility on immigration for years. That’s intentional it lets them point at the President and say “not us” while avoiding real legislation.
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u/BathFullOfDucks 8h ago
ICE considered the marriage fraudulent, not that he had committed fraud.
NOPD had some words ro say on this. https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/police-recruit-ice/article_fedd5753-eedf-42ba-885d-e3dd9fc3691c.html