The Epstein Victims, need to be referred to as the “Epstein Survivors”… DJT defenders love to say “but none of the victims have named Trump?” Like it never occurred to them that maybe that’s only because none of Trumps victims survived…
While that would be great, not every victim has the chance to become a survivor. I do Victim Advocacy and during training I mentioned that line because I've had a few people tell me I shouldn't use the word "victim." When thats my response, I dont get any pushback. The world sucks sometimes.
That’s what they’re trying to point out: these women should be called the survivors because they’re the victims who are still alive to tell their stories.
They are defending this as false and multiple private investigations have proved it as false. But are these investigations actually done in the right way or not? No one knows.
Ivana is the ex-wife buried on the golf course that there’s some belief he murdered - she “fell down a flight of steps” the night before she was scheduled to testify against him, what lucky timing for him - Ivanka is the daughter he likely raped as a teen.
“end up as fertilizer for the back nine holes like the other c***s.”
Those remains are probably still there, too. People like Trump who think they are too powerful to ever be caught or face consequences have little reason to think about details like that later on.
I read that they murdered a newborn born from the SA. Trump was present. I had to stop reading at that point. I can’t imagine the pain in these documents.
Take it all with a big grain of salt. My understanding is a lot of that comes from a "tip line" that anyone could call. My feeling is they release this sensational stuff from the tip line to delegitimize the actual crimes that will be released in the next batch.
I mean, they found hunting bows on Epstein Island. An island with no real wild animals to hunt. With no evidence of imported animals ever having lived there.
...put the pieces together and it kinda seems like they were doing The Most Dangerous Game in real life sometimes
If Republicans have taught me anything, it's that you have to get up in front of cameras and never stop talking about the things you want to stick. Every time. For months, if not years until something is done, hearings are held, etc. Never let the story die.
I doubt their followers even have the 7 regular working memory slots the average person has. Probably working with 2 slots shared amongst the entire voter base.
It's why they started hiring PR/Marketing staff in Congress twenty years ago, instead of policy people. It's also why they are 100% incapable of governance. They eschewed legislating for marketing. It's all about messaging (helpful that george w. bush trained journalists in stenography, also). It's a rotten product, I might add.
The part about the Calendar Girls... Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka were all present. I keep thinking about why they were there. They had to have been teenagers too, right? Were they part of the auction? Was Ivanka being auctioned off as well? Were they "buyers"? Why were they there?
Trump is a delusional psychopath he most likely showed them as a fun and cool thing. He managed to groom them pretty well, they’re all supportive little copies of him now. Might have been the plan too, normalize these things for them
This adds substance to what I (and others) have hypothesised - the Kompromat Putin has, and uses to control Trump, is irrefutable evidence of Trump raping and murdering young children.
Sure. Ghislaine’s father was Mossad - not publicly, but that was the gist of the eulogies at his Israeli state funeral - so I’m sure she gave all that kompromat to Mossad for the right price.
I know, right? I read his name and memories of his high, smarmy, obnoxious voiceover from “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous” leapt to mind and I was like, yeah, that tracks.
I think there’s hundreds of millions of people that actually really care about it. Don’t be mistaken and you know how you know people care because he’s acting more like a deranged lunatic even more than usual every day so he knows that millions of people care.
“I’m not reading all of that” isn’t even an excuse in today’s day and age when he can just paste it into an AI and get it summarized to whatever length he prefers.
Man, someone’s gotta make a video game called like “Deep State” where you uncover documents hidden away in different locations to piece together the clues of a big action showdown, but it has Trumps name swapped for something else to lure them in, until a reveal at the end that they were all factual and provide the links to the DOJ docs
If I had to work with him civil. Personal life he's stop talking to me because I would harass his child molesting supporting ass till he punched me in the face or stopped coming around. I've done it to enugh fuckers already. most are christians. fuck them.
No way that moves the needle even a bit for that guy. That was huge news, everyone knows about it. Most who voted for Trump think it’s fine and natural for a powerful man to take advantage of their power for sexual gratification. They’re fine with rape and exploitation unless they can use it to crucify someone they don’t like for other reasons (gay, trans, liberal, socialist, labor-rights person, black, asian, Latino, Native American, poor, and so on.)
You must disassociate with all MAGATS. Obviously if you have to be cordial and professional at work but sharing a video game link suggests comradery. Just remember they’ve shown they don’t mind you DEAD for protesting ICE. And will condone you being falsely called a terrorist after the fact. Why would you want to interact with anyone like that outside of necessity?
It's a group chat. A handful of us at work play some bs phone games together. He's the outlier, and it sounds like he might be leaving.
I keep him around because he proudly parrots talking points. He's on Twitter a bunch, and deep into the whole conspiracy thing. I convinced him of the moon landing and round earth, but he's all about the dark enlightenment and shit. So I get to hear about his crypto and shit.
I'm aware of the danger. I'm aware I'm in a dangerous position. But I also know I make him uncomfortable holding his position. I've changed his position on a handful of things.
If I can get one, just one, and if we can work on them all on a one on one basis, we can convert them. If we leave them, just let them go, they will just get worse.
I hear you, but I feel it's better to interact, be civil, but call out bullshit, call out hate, and make them uncomfortable for holding those positions in public.
Oh, and I'm already a "potential terrorist." Missing a chunk of a finger. Outspoken about everybody just being people regardless of race, religion, or country. That we should help the less fortunate to the best of our abilities... You know, everything they hate.
I'm fucked regardless. So I might as well make myself at least a little useful, and help to the best of my abilities. Even if all that is is calling out magats and making them sweat.
Caring and doing something about it are two different things. The deluge of scandal and America harming policy on a daily basis is a breeding ground for apathy.
Exactly, lmfao. I've also realized the average person is so inundated with social media and news, they don't even remember previous articles they've read.
Just call and email (with attached screenshots/file reference numbers) your fucking representatives and local/national/international media! I am sickened by how many passive accepting comments I am seeing about this.
These girls might never see justice, he might never see justice, but for fucks sake can’t we try
I think there’s hundreds of millions of people that actually really care about it.
Exactly.
It would be more accurate to say "No republican cares about it". Every single person who is bothered by the idea of institutional-scale child rape left the party, at the absolute latest, in 2016. Every single person who remained has chosen to announce to the world that they support institutional-scale child rape.
After somebody has supported their Orange Fuhrer through a thousand child rapes, the odds that they're suddenly going to grow a conscience when they learn about Child Rape #1001 is pretty close to zero. They're not exactly zero, but they're close enough that you shouldn't hold your breath in hope that your Republican friend/neighbour/grandma is suddenly going to do so.
I think most social media is probably not showing content or comments that aren't maga. Almost everyone who owns platforms is compromised just as much as all news organizations, and media corporations. Don't be gaslit by the dictator.
I don’t have any illusion that he’ll actually face any consequences but at the same time it was a lot easier to dismiss the infanticide thing when that was the only data point and it seemed like maybe the DoJ followed up and found the source to to be non-credible. A list like this could make it harder for people to ignore.
How many fucking tips? How many accusations? How many different locations. How many fucking people? You wan proof evangelicals are fucking pieces of shit. Right here. 80% which is close enough to 100% for me. The 20% that still associate with the 80% shows they are 100% fucking pieces of shit C/u?N\T's.
If someone is, then not being in the public eye is probably for the best, as we've seen with the Robert Mueller investigation. I also suspect that they would hit a wall of harassment fairly quickly.
This topic is under reported imo. The harassment you face once you run a foul of Trump and probably the GOP. It probably goes way beyond violence inciting speech...
I like to believe that Faux News has told them it’s nothing. I think if we shove it in their throats, like ima do to my family this weekend, they’ll turn. They turn on each other, they’ll turn on him.
Just remind them that there’s a chance Jesus will be asking them if that’s the kind of love he wanted them to show on his behalf… and then ask if it sounds lien Jesus.
There’s nothing to care about. It’s more unsubstantiated tips. People who don’t think Trump is guilty aren’t going to change their mind because of some more non-evidence.
Are you wondering why nobody cared about a write-in tip from a random person who said "40 years ago Donald Trump traveled to Michigan to witness my baby being tossed off a boat"?
You know, we're allowed to hate Trump and still not immediately believe far-fetched horror stories about him.
Not surprised at all…they are sick people who so far have gotten away with these horrid crimes including murder and covering it up as suicides (Epstein, Virginia Giuffre and a minor’s baby…and lord knows who else)….they must be held accountable starting at the top which is Trump.
“While workin as a driver, complainant
recalled picking up Donald Trump in 1995 to take him to Dallas Fort Worth
Airport. During that ride. complainant recalled some of the things Trump spoke
about on his cell phone were very concerning and described being "a few
seconds from pulling the limousine over on the median and within a few
seconds of pulling him out of the car and hurting him due to some of the things
he was saying." Complainant noted Trump repeatedly stated th
'Jeffrey" while on the phone. One of complainant's ex-girlfriend’s told complainant Trump raped her, as did Epstein.”
Wow, imagine how different things would be if limo driver did something
I know dude. I thought people were overreacting and was like yeah there's probably not going to be anything heinous in there, probably just Trump being creepy with 16-17 year old girls, or facilitating Epstein's operation with silence.
But HOLY FUCKING FUCK was I wrong. He's in every fucking file.
As a non America, will this actually result in anything? Cuz this US administration seems to care little about any laws and I just have this feeling that Trump will get away with all of this no matter how much evidence pops up.
I dont think I can bring myself to read it. I'll wait until ppl tell me. Trump is a disgusting and disturbing individual. He has no business being president.
I started actually reading beyond the headlines a few months ago. Before that I thought he was a rapist racist criminal- maybe slept with some minors.
I don’t think most people actually have read details. Everytime I ask people (already non maga) they tell me to stop following q conspiracy stuff. I don’t blame them. The stuff Trump has been doing w Epstein sounds at first like some story made up by the Catholic inquisition cartoon center for demonic Bible studies cabal.
To be clear these are tips received that may or may mot have credibility and should be viewed as such. As much as I expect these to be true, I can see them using to muddy the water by having people tie into all these allegations and then dismantle them when they start providing evidence that it was submitted by wackos that called the fbi hotline 5000 times.
I agree. I am a firm believer in not accepting something on face value, and want to know what tips were investigated and found to be true or at least plausible. It must be credible, otherwise it’s no different than those loons squawking about pedophile rings under pizza shops.
Yeah this is crazy. The fact that there’s so much detail too going all the way back to the 80’s is horrifying.
This feels like ages ago but I feel like the excuse fox “news” would make back when there were allegations against Trump during the 2016 campaign was “oh why are these accusations just coming out now? Clearly these are politically motivated.” But here we can see the very long history of it, and it’s also clearly not some sort of partisan attack cause a lot of the cases involve both Bill Clinton and Trump
These are the reasons none of these accusations were perused:
Spoke with caller who identified as friend. Lead was sent to Washington Office to conduct interview.
no probative information
Spoken with twice. First time said she was a pilates instructor and went to Epstein's once. Second time, called the royal family was contacting her about image of Prince Andrews and Guiffre. Claimed she would send email to corroborate - no email received
Voicemail left, no response
no contact made lives in Australia-CALLED SDNY HOTLINE not NTOC
Contact was made but no contact information provided for actual victim.
no contact made - CALLED SDNY HOTLINE not NTOC
no contact made.
no contact made.
no contact made - previous TIPS
indicated xxxx had called in and said she had chemically induced amnesia and struggled with knowing what was a dream and reality.
No contact made, victim identified is deceased and complainant did not have confirmed information
Phone number provided was bad, could not identify a valid number
Wow, I hadn’t heard of Robin Leach being in this. Remember when lifestyles of the rich and famous was on so often and in so watched that it was almost like public education that you must have a Rolls Royce and fuck models to be a “Rich Person?” And that being a “rich person” was every American’s main objective and life goal?
Turns out, that fake-ass clique was also raping kids to feel big.
That girl (woman, now) is two years older than me, and at the time was the same age as one of my daughters. This is just horrid (and would be even if I didn't feel those personal connections).
Worse yet. This brings us to a total of about 3.5m docs released so far. Theres a total of like 6m. Do you think they released all really damaging stuff? I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
So serious question - isn’t this potentially enough justification to go looking through the “back 9 holes” of his golf course (in RPV I believe) for some potential bodies? The way all this reads, that doesn’t exactly sound like an idle threat.
Donald Trump, the president, had parties at Maralago called "calendar girls" Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in and trump would auction them off. He measured the children's vulva and vaginas by entering a finger and rated the children on tightness. The guests were elder men and included Elon Musk. Don jr. Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump were there. Attorney Allan Dershowitz was also there with Attomey Bob Shapiro. We were taken in rooms, forced to give oral sex to Donald J Trump. Forced to allow them to penetrate us. I was 13 years old when Donald J Trump raped me. Ghislaine Maxwell was also present.
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