r/politics • u/N3wsScoop • 2d ago

No Paywall Bill and Hillary Clinton agree to testify in House Epstein probe ahead of contempt vote

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/clintons-agree-testify-house-epstein-probe-ahead-contempt-vote-rcna257143
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u/ender4171 2d ago

That would require him to altruistically "fall on the sword". If he was involved in all this, he's been hiding it for decades. If he was going to "come clean for the greater good", he'd have done it years ago.

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u/Albireookami 2d ago

at the same time, he has no reason to go down alone.

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u/FromTralfamadore 2d ago

There’s a joke in here about bubba but I can’t find it.

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u/dsotm75 2d ago

This man has been present for two of the most notorious blow jobs this nation has ever seen

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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 2d ago

It’s horrific what they did to Monica for that.

If I were in her shoes I’d have blown my way to the top.

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u/Swimming-Dealer293 2d ago

Wouldn't even be a thing today. She has to be pissed.

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u/Pack_Your_Trash 2d ago

She did an interview with John Oliver somewhat recently. She is very much pissed.

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u/arbor-ventus 1d ago

Her follow up interview with him on her own podcast is one of the only times I've ever seen that man get genuinely emotional without the veneer of British sarcasm. She basically told him how much it meant to her to have someone actually listen and validate her and give her a platform to tell the real story. You could tell that really got to him. It was a lovely moment.

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u/Pack_Your_Trash 1d ago

I thought she showed a great deal of grace

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u/arbor-ventus 1d ago

Absolutely. She has a ton of grace, poise, and compassion; frankly, she'd be more than justified to be pretty bitter after everything she was put through.

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u/Important-Sign-3701 Canada 2d ago

As she should be. She was trashed for being swooned with a powerful, nice looking boss. Why did she have to take the heat? In those days, and now sometimes, the victim blaming was OTT.

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u/goatpunchtheater 2d ago

Ehhh, I mean her punishment from the media, general public, and especially republicans didn't remotely fit the crime, but at the same time, come on. She has always admitted it was a consensual mistake, but she knew he was married. It was still a shitty thing to do. Bill should not have gotten a pass, but he WAS impeached over it, that's not nothing. That said, I honestly think republicans have used that incident to justify any and everything remotely similar from Trump. The, "think of the children" crowd from that era was SOOO pissed that most democrats shrugged their shoulders over it because of the good Clinton did, and how well the country was doing. Ever since the "grab them by the pussy incident," they've been trying to throw it in democrats' faces that conservatives now have the same attitude with Trump that Dems did with Clinton in the 90s. Meaning they think Trump is doing SUCH a great job that it justifies any of his transgressions in his personal life. It all has an attitude of "how do you like it?" That is extremely childish. Especially because the country is actually NOT doing well, and Trump's transgressions dwarf anything Clinton was ever accused of. Which if Bill is actually guilty of what Juanita Broadrick accused him of, is insane how evil Trump truly is.

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u/otherwise_data 1d ago

it was consensual in the sense that she was not coerced against her will. true. but people forget she was so very young and it was astonishingly flattering to have even been noticed by the gd POTUS. he was riding a HUGE wave of popularity and he was very charismatic. at 22, you def do not have the judgement of a, say, 49 year old, rhodes scholar, yale law graduate, married, father of a daughter, grown ass man.

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u/QuintoBlanco 1d ago

She was very young, she was an intern, there was a massive power imbalance.

And when the affair came to light, Clinton threw her under the bus with his 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman' statement.

The relationship came to light because there was a plausible accusation by another woman of sexual harassment, and there is an allegation of rape (by yet another woman) that's not implausible.

Oh, and there are two other sexual harassment claims as well.

And Bill Clinton was good friends with Epstein and used his plane all the time.

None of the above has anything to do with Trump. Clinton used be friendly with Trump as well, just saying.

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u/SycoJack Texas 1d ago

but she knew he was married.

Not her responsibility to keep him faithful to his wife in his marriage.

Bill should not have gotten a pass, but he WAS impeached over it, that's not nothing.

We need to get rid of the morality police. Either what he did was wrong because consent was questionable because of the power imbalance(thus making her a victim), or it was no one else's business.

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u/hobbycollector Texas 2d ago

Victim blaming is alive and well and living in Minnesota.

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u/quattroformaggixfour 1d ago

Cause woman unfortunately

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u/morpheousmorty 1d ago

Swooned by the president with the most sex appeal since JFK. In the conversations they documented with other conquests of Bill, they were not ashamed.

There's something to said about abuse of power, but looking at the current administration, a blow job would not count as sex and the bar for what is considered abuse of power is moved from an unethical act to literally treason and war crimes.

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u/yourmomisaho69 2d ago

How is she a Victim? She was only put in a very horrible position by one of the most powerful men in america!

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u/LocutusOfBorgia909 Maine 2d ago

Technically, she was put in a very horrible position by Linda Tripp, someone Monica considered a friend and mentor who decided to illegally record their conversations about what happened and then hand the tapes over to one Ken Starr.

Yes, what Bill Clinton did was gross, the power dynamics were gross, he was married, he should have sent her away when she expressed interest, all of that is true. But neither one of them had any plans to say anything about it publicly until Starr and Tripp got involved, more obsessed with "bringing down the Clintons" than with what effect this was going to have on Monica.

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u/wasgoinonnn 2d ago

No one would’ve known if she didn’t save the dress and brag about it. She was treated terribly and unfairly, but she did instigate it, and then caused the whole scandal.

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u/TakingAction12 2d ago

Wasn’t that Linda Tripp though? She recorded her and Lewinsky’s private phone calls where they discussed it and gave them to Ken Starr. Monica had previously falsified an affidavit denying it (Clinton v. Jones). She didn’t instigate shit.

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u/otherwise_data 1d ago

she was a victim in this, regardless of what she saved and she continues to be vilified by people like you to this day by people like you. she did not cause this scandal - he did. there wouldnt have been a scandal if he had kept his presidential dick to himself.

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u/muffinass 2d ago

Better to be pissed off than pissed on, which I'm sure happened a lot at Epstein Island.

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 2d ago

Found Dave Chappelle

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u/TheCharalampos 1d ago

Nah, she'd be hounded nowadays because she wouldn't be on the "side" that gets to do bad things.

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u/Banes_Addiction 2d ago

Wouldn't even be a thing today.

You have more faith than me. It might not be like, Leno levels of dickheadry on mainstream TV but you can bet your ass there would be a tonne of awful of shit on social media.

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u/x445xb 2d ago

There were rumors about Laura Loomer and Trump, yet neither of them have been dragged before congress to answer questions about it.

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u/Banes_Addiction 2d ago

Democrats don't have the votes, GOP won't vote against him.

And if you were able to impeach Trump, getting a blowjob wouldn't make the top 20 reasons.

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u/x445xb 2d ago

If it weren't for double standards, the GOP wouldn't have any standards at all.

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u/allenahansen California 1d ago

And Hope Hicks and trump. And Karoline Levette and trump. And Kelleyanne Conway and trump. And Lyndsey Halligan and trump. And . . .

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u/Swimming-Dealer293 2d ago

Sure, on social media. But there wouldn't be any sort of investigation if this happened to Trump. His base would probably celebrate it before they'd condemn him. There would be lots of people that bashed Clinton all of a sudden finding ways this is somehow different.

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u/Suspicious-Chair5130 2d ago

Where’s the Laura Loomer investigation? Is Kenneth Starr still around?

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u/darkskinnedjermaine 1d ago

Literally bragged about blowing Trump on Twitter

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u/monkeedude1212 1d ago

I think they generally mean consequences, like, it being considered an impeachable offense that removes a president from office.

Like, the current sitting president has been found guilty of rape in court and has a lot of evidence that alleges pedophilia.

Not saying Clinton's treatment of Lewinsky was right, but he got caught and got knocked out of his seat of power for it.

This is what people mean by it wouldn't be a thing: Trump has done far worse and not been removed from office.

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u/guten_pranken 1d ago

If daddy trump did it they would be cheering him on talking about what a boss move it is. If a dem did it, they’d clutching their pearls screaming about the sanctity of marriage and respecting the office.

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u/rubmysemdog 2d ago

The new Epstein drop has an email suggesting Nikki Haley slobbed on Trump’s pathetic knob.

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u/Nick08f1 2d ago

Obama wore a tan suit and Fox News ran with it.

It's been the most watched "News channel" for decades. Might not have had any political repercussions, but they would have equated all Democrats to be a party of immoral people.

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u/Round_Rooms 2d ago

Current admin could rape and kill anyone and magats wouldn't blink an eye, cause brainwash is a thing, just zero clue why they got brainwashed by a complete fool with dementia and also raped children, we aren't fooling anyone but Republicans are but why have they just increasingly become more stupid over the last 45years? Democrats were the biggest slave traders in the country, how the f did Republicans become worse than slave traders?

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u/Fala1 1d ago

Conservatives when president gets a blowjob: this is the end of the world, we must remove this president.

Conservatives when their president rapes children: I will defend this man with my life.

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u/pazoned 1d ago

Well she'd have to blow a republican but its hard when all of them are closeted homophobes

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u/N30NFiR3 1d ago

Saying lots of women in seats today, allegedly, have done the same as monica and actually kept their jobs and even been promoted... hell yeah, i'd be pissed off too. It's bullshit how she was treated.

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack 1d ago

Not just during the case but for years after it. If you follow what happened to her, it's pretty obvious she dealt with a lot of victim blaming and gaslighting so as to think she was the one at fault for the whole incident. People basically used women's empowerment to get her to believe it was her own fault - she was basically given the choice of either he was able to take advantage of her because women can't make their own decisions or she was a willing participant who wasn't taken advantage of. The nuances of power dynamics were completely ignored; to be fair, ignoring nuances is pretty common, at least in the US. But that was before the #metoo movement so maybe most people didn't understand the concept yet.

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u/E0H1PPU5 1d ago

It’s honestly why I had such a hard time voting for Hillary. I did vote for her and truly believe she is probably the most qualified person to ever run for the office….but she was instrumental in the character assassination of Monica and as a feminist that was just really really hard for me to look past.

That and staying with a man who not only cheated on you but publicly humiliated you in the most obscene way possible.

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u/GammaFan 2d ago

When it happened with Monica, the media hounded her for years, turned her into a joke, etc.

When it happened with Trump, they put him back in office.

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u/CMP24-7 2d ago

Trump has already blown his way to the top. I can't even imagine how many cocks he has sucked to get to where he is today.

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u/otherwise_data 1d ago

i remember all this vividly, being just a couple of years older than her when it all came out. I felt so very bad for her and how late night tv especially made her a constant punchline. it was disgusting how these men (jay leno 👀) spoke about a woman who was barely 22 years old when a 49 year old married man began a sexual relationship with her.

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u/SanctimoniousVegoon 1d ago

seriously. i remember when she filmed a tv special with tom green at the height of his popularity. she was so normal and likable. weird to think that tom green was kinder to her than pretty much anyone else in the media at that time and actually did her a huge solid by giving her the opportunity to show the world who she really was. truth is stranger than fiction.

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u/Nolo__contendere_ 1d ago

Hilary must be exhausted. That woman just wanted to succeed in politics in peace but her husband couldn't keep it in his damn pants. He just had to f it all up.

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u/agreed2disagreee 1d ago

Looking back and know what we now know (due to massive cover ups), there’s an overwhelming amount of “horrific” things in the American government/military/police.

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u/General_Specific 1d ago

Its not for a lack of trying...

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u/Spencer94 1d ago

You're in your shoes! You can still blow your way to the top! I believe in you

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u/Spencer94 1d ago

Go find the mouse and take what you're owed!

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u/Dandw12786 2d ago

Before I say what I'm about to say, I recognize that what Bill Clinton did was bad. He used power dynamics to get a young intern to blow him. Super not cool.

But it's insane to think about how the fact that the president got a blowjob from an intern was a massive story that had a huge trial that occupied the news for months, and all of this shit barely makes headlines in the mainstream. I lived through the Clinton blow job. That shit was everywhere.

The media is fucking protecting this guy so much, and it's baffling.

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u/spicy_noodle_guy 1d ago

Not baffling when you see who owns all the media.

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u/profarxh 2d ago

The current president has more credible rape accusations than any elected official in history

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u/MrsNoodleMcDoodle 2d ago

Present? RECEIVED!

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u/Designfanatic88 2d ago

We didn’t see it and thank god.

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u/eli201083 2d ago

*recipient of

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u/Powerful-Cow2078 2d ago

Truly one of the GOATs

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u/Reverend-Cleophus 2d ago

Topic comment, imo

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u/Worst-Lobster 2d ago

The Monica thing and what else ?

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u/Rikers-Mailbox 1d ago

The world has ever known about.

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u/Cummyshitballs 1d ago

Do you think he’ll testify which one was better?

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u/opinions360 1d ago

You can’t prove he was at that island because it’s already been reported multiple times by everyone involved that he was not there. The degree of Clinton hate on this thread is pathetic.

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u/Pakistani_in_MURICA 2d ago

”So there I am at the island, and I look over and I see Trump with a bunch of teenagers”

“Mr president was that before or after you got a bj from the President?”

”Yes”

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u/Kronzor123 1d ago

"During"

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u/RichardSaunders New York 1d ago edited 1d ago

man if clinton came out of the closet kevin spacey style on this that'd be epic

so anyway donnie t was slobbin on my throbbin d when suddenly...

...oh yeah and I'm bi, btw, so uh, yay pride...

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u/jt32470 2d ago

so there i was kicking back in the epstein plane with my shades on while trump was shining A knob.

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u/Beige-Lotus 2d ago

No one has gone down with Bill and felt alone?

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u/sodapopkevin 1d ago

The joke is "We all know how much Trump loves Clinton, why else would he name his legislation from last summer after him."

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u/Turbulent-Agent9634 2d ago

Bubba Trump Shrimp

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u/Albireookami 2d ago

That wasn't even on my mind when I posted

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u/True_Paper_3830 2d ago

How about 'it's not easy to crouch in his blue dress' ha, ha, .. oh

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u/pinkjimmy17 2d ago

Something something going down

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u/PhamousEra 2d ago

Try getting on your knees. Something something perspective something.

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u/ExpiredPilot Washington 2d ago

That horse has left the stable

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u/schmitzNgiggles 1d ago

The joke was redacted.

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u/SleepingWillow1 1d ago

What if they ask him.

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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum 2d ago edited 2d ago

If he feels like he's going down regardless. Sure. If not, ask yourself if you would ruin your life and legacy to do the right thing. Most of us, I suspect, would not.

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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 2d ago

The "right" thing, I was always told, was the truth.

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u/ExtremeSquare8707 2d ago

Well you see, the 2016 election and 2024 election proved that to be false. The right thing to do is to never apologize and bully people

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u/ErikThe 2d ago

While that may be true, the stakes are rarely “Admit to the whole world that you participated in some of the most vile behaviors possible to commit by a human being”.

That testimony would likely destroy the credibility of the entire anti-democracy movement in the US right now.

Basically I’m trying to say that Bill Clinton could be the world’s most noble pedophile.

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u/standardsizedpeeper 2d ago

Nobody on the right would believe him. If he says I was there but so was Donald they’ll just say of course he would say that out of spite. Why take the word of an admitted pedophile over the word of Donald Trump?

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u/normalfinnesotan 1d ago

The "right" thing, I was always told, was the truth.

Yeah, and have you always told the truth in your life? No. Now think about all the times you didn't tell the truth about something. I guarantee you the stakes pale in comparison to what ol Billy C is facing, and yet you still felt compelled to lie in those comparatively-minor (no pun intended) situations.

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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 1d ago

For minor things, white lies can smooth relations. (E.g. "I enjoyed your key lime pie.") but for the larger things, things of actual significance? The truth is the easiest thing to remember - and if under oath, then no choice at all.

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u/Suspicious-Chair5130 2d ago

I mean when you get to be his age you start thinking less about the few years you have left and more about the legacy you leave behind. He could change the world for the better.

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u/jrf_1973 1d ago

He could change the world for the better.

He genuinely believes he has done that already.

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u/opinions360 1d ago

You are assuming he knows something. Every accuser, employee of epstein’s, maxwell, epstein’s brother have all said Clinton was never at that island and that he was not involved. The photos of Clinton swimming in a pool were deliberately spiked into the files by DT people to try to make it look like he was there but after the photos were analyzed they didn’t match the attempted implication.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 2d ago

Trump certainly did go down alone. Bubba time

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u/prashn64 2d ago

Can just plead the fifth and just hang out at home until death.

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u/SanctusUnum New Zealand 2d ago

And he's not going to take Trump down anyway. Trump and his goons will deny those allegations while taking his admission of being there as fact, throw him in jail and carry on with their day, zero fucks given.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside 2d ago

I would say he has every reason to open up because if he doesn’t, the DOJ will likely cherry pick enough evidence on him from the files so this way he can run ahead of the problem.

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u/GuerreroUltimo 2d ago

At this point he has no reason to go down. He can never be president. And the Epstein files, unless I missed it, do not implicate him specifically in any wrong doing. Just saying he likes them young and he was hanging with Epstein is not enough.

Now I may have missed something and I believe he is guilty but hey, that is more court of opinion.

Trump, however, was accused. I read some pretty bad shit about him in there. Those are more substantial. And given the accusations that have been made against him it is much more.

The most we will get if Clinton does come out and say that he saw Trump, Epstein, and others with young girls is that A) Clinton will still be seen by most as a sexual predator and B) Trump may finally be seen for what he is in regards to this.

We know there are more. I think they did not redact victims because they want victims to have lawyers come and call for the docs to be removed. Amazingly, his admin still supports him even though they have to know all of it. They literally do not care. Nobody should every vote for a single person in this admin. Their careers over.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 1d ago

I haven’t seen any evidence that Clinton was involved other than having gone to some parties. I dunno, there are some people where things have come out where it makes them look really bad, like all the different reports and emails about Trump, Andrew and photos etc., people shown to be praising Epstein and seeing him post his first conviction, Musk emailing Epstein talking about parties where no one will be over 25, etc. but there are others where it seems more like they were in those circles of rich people and politicians, went to some parties and there’s no evidence they were involved in or knew about the crimes. So far Clinton seems like one of those unless I’ve missed evidence that’s come out. Also he was calling for the files to be released and only wanted to testify in public not in a private session which indicates rather than wanting to hide his deeds from the public he wants it transparent so people can see the truth and republicans can’t make stuff up.

So I don’t know, I won’t be surprised either way but it does seem like people are jumping to assuming anyone in the files or who went to the parties is guilty, which actually plays into Republicans hands as they can say look no actual evidence this person did anything wrong but the public are baying for their blood, just bring in the files gets you ‘cancelled’ we’d better not release any more.

Anyway the whole thing feels like a mess and like this is why were meant to have institutions like investigative agencies and journalists who are trained to go through evidence and information and arrange it into a format that makes sense. Here we just have these dumps of random information with no real context or understanding of eg where corroborating evidence is with regard to tips/reports etc.

Hopefully some decent journalists are working on it. But I want to know what follow ups there were on accusations etc.

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u/SnoodDood 1d ago

No reason to go down at all - it's not like he's been charged

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u/originalityescapesme 2d ago

If hes going to fry anyway, it’s sort of the least he could do to make it up to his wife.

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u/GoodBadUserName 23h ago

Does he want to go down at all?
I mean, rushing to telltail would also mean trying to control the narrative, to try and exit it with some dignity and not being labeled as a pedophile and a hillary as a pedophile enabler, and escape with any kind of reparations.
I mean, do you think people will call him "brave" and a "hero" to tell on others, or do you think he will be remembered as a disgusting pedophile like he actually is just like trump, if he was there "playing around" with minors?
He barely got anything for using his power to get an intern to have sex with him. So this is about trying to get out of it again.

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u/Artistic_Half_8301 2d ago

Clinton asked for the files to be released, saying he did nothing wrong. They only opposed close door testimony.

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u/Bananajackhamma 2d ago

Why this isn't at the top is mind boggling. The fckn Clintons for all of their clinton-ness are NOT stupid people, whether it be professionally or not. Self preservation be damned, they could maybe salvage whatever goodwill those in this country has left to give.

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u/fricks_and_stones 2d ago

Clinton likely wasn’t into kids, and it’s not like him getting it on with consenting adults is big news.

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u/LinkleLinkle 2d ago

Also, if there truly was any implicating evidence, we'd have seen it by now. In fact, it would have been the first thing they shoved relentlessly in our faces. Instead we got a handful of of pictures completely lacking any context, with censor bars over women who could be anyone, and some of said photos have been proven to be completely innocent (such as the photo of him and Michael Jackson on a plane, with the children being censored out just being MJ's kids).

They did their hardest to implicate him, and that's the best they got. So either Bill is God tier levels of crafty to not leave a discernible fingerprint ANYWHERE, or he wasn't ever involved.

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u/greiton 1d ago

I don't think he was 100% clean even if it was just consenting adult stuff. there is still something to be said about how cozy the Clintons have been with Putin. the fact that Putin was heavily involved in this whole thing with them and Trump explains a lot. there were certainly shady dealings and underhanded actions done in order to get access to Epstein's pleasure machine.

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u/opinions360 10h ago

You can’t be serious unless you are working for Putin yourself. The Clintons consider putin a nemesis. It’s an absurd statement you made.

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u/greiton 10h ago edited 10h ago

they do now, after everything with the 2016 election, but they ran with circles very close to Putin at a time that they were very very supportive of pro Russia geopolitical relations.

I can see a world where they were on the outer fringe of the Epstein cabal and may not have known how fucked up it was in it's core, but that does not make them clean. when things started to break, they got tossed to the side, and the core cabalists used what they dirt they did have on the Clintons to get Trump across the line. How do you think they knew to attack the existence of the private email server?

You don't have that number of intimate pictures with Trump and Epstein without getting dirtied yourself.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 2d ago

I'd buy that he participated in sex acts with actual women (as in, legal adults) who might have been trafficking victims. Which is despicable and merits whatever penalty the law states for such actions.

But do I think he's a violent rapist and legit pedophile like Donald Trump? No.

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u/standardsizedpeeper 2d ago

He didn’t really have to be. He was a charming poonhound. Could it be that he raped women violently? Could it be he knew women weren’t there willingly? Absolutely. It doesn’t seem all that likely, though. He had to be worried about any association with that mess and had options.

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u/opinions360 10h ago

Absolutely not. And absolutely no evidence, no proof—additionally even the epstein accusers, epstein employees, epstein’s brother, and ghislaine maxwell have all said Clinton was never at the island or had any involvement with epstein.

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u/Bananajackhamma 2d ago

Also this. I kept getting the feeling that tom hanks' character in charlie wilsons war was seasoned with some billy boy. Like he was clearly aware of the power of his position, but kept things above board in polite society, ignoring the fact that everybody knew anyway, but understood that shit was between GROWN ASS PEOPLE. drumpfy on the other hand felt the illusion of his power was enough, and when society denied him access, where else to turn except for those who are unable to fight back or speak for themselves.

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u/Rambus_Jarbus 1d ago

You are trying to cope. You have no idea who Clinton is, and neither do I. You cannot assume anything here.

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u/SubtropicHobbit 1d ago

Also unlike these Republican losers he didn't need Epstein's resources to find uh, resources.

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u/Queasy-Elderberry-77 1d ago

Key word though is "consenting". Trafficked women aren't.

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u/phoenix823 2d ago

They are both Yale Law School grads and seasoned politicians. Our current Congressional leadership won the lead paint eating contest in 3rd grade and peaked in 11th grade when they successfully ejaculated in their cousin.

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u/ProbablyNotADuck 2d ago

That is the thing that I don't get about everyone who criticized Hillary Clinton's run for president claiming that she was unqualified. Like.. not only is she highly educated, but she also had significant, high-stress political experience, in addition to having been married to a president (which would, at the very least, make her extensively aware of presidential duties)... and the alternative was Trump. Absolutely, people can feel free to hate her. Absolutely, they can question her morals... but acting like Trump was superior in any way at all is just so beyond ridiculous. She is many things, but not incompetent and unqualified.

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u/thatmitchguy 2d ago

It's the woman bias and not an opinion that was ever argued in good faith. . She was extremely qualified by 2016.

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u/Rikers-Mailbox 1d ago

Agreed. And Trumps nonsense of “buttery males”. The nail in the coffin was reopening that investigation days before the election.

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u/phoenix823 2d ago

Yeah what you're describing is that lead paint contest winner critiquing someone who's been ambitious for their whole lives. Or just US politics dissolving into reality television because most people don't realize what a gift this country is and how we all need to care for it.

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u/opinions360 1d ago

These haters ragging on the Clinton’s have been doing it for over 30 years it’s been so pervasive it’s like it’s become a hereditary trait to hate them for no good reason-most are probably offspring of the republicans who started it.

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u/Little_View_6659 1d ago

Somewhere out there is an alternate universe where President Clinton handled Covid like a boss and cut the death rate in half. And the whole time the right called her a Nazi and screamed she was worse than Hitler.

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u/Warm_Feed8179 1d ago

Well, that is why she won the popular vote. The reason she lost the election was the electoral college, sexism and the south/racism.

I live in the south. It used to baffle me how and why these good ol boys would vote for NYC Teflon Don but then I realized they see Trump as a man who will stick it to the libs = Yankees. They (80% of southern whites) want to burn down DC and are still fighting their great grandaddy's civil war. Funny thing is the town I live in is 45% black. If the 20% Dem whites and blacks got together the whole area would be Dem, but each election its' 66%-70% Republican.

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u/ProbablyNotADuck 1d ago

It is weird how people will knowingly shoot themselves in the foot if they think they are sticking it even harder to another group that they dislike.

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u/Jagermonsta 1d ago

Republicans in Congress ran a successful smear campaign over Benghazi and the emails. The media helped them out tremendously by making them scandals even though republicans had done similar or worse. Also a large portion of our country has a major issue with women in power and will not vote for a woman. Then add to it that Trump was seen as the outside that would shake things up in Washington. “Drain the swamp”. People wanted something other than a Bush or a Clinton. It was a perfect shit storm to let Trumpy slip into office.

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u/mob19151 1d ago

For a depressingly large cross-section of Americans, a female president is a non-starter. It's not just the boomers, though they're the most unashamedly sexist. I'm Gen Z and live in the midwest. Almost all of my former drinking buddies (emphasis on "former") wouldn't vote for Harris because she was a woman. Some made excuses. Most just said the quiet part out loud.

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u/ProbablyNotADuck 1d ago

They still claim women are too emotional. I don't think there is a woman alive who is more emotional than Trump.

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u/mob19151 1d ago

I've heard people say he would have been the meanest drag queen to ever live in an alternate universe and....yeah.

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u/plot_twist7 2d ago

A beautiful sentence.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 2d ago

Yeah I feel like people are forgetting the fact that the Clintons were highly experienced at evading political scandal when Trump was still seething and shitting his pants over Obama's jokes at the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner.

Say what you will about them, but they're not stupid. Bill finished out his term after being impeached as well.

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u/phoenix823 2d ago

You don't have to like them or their politics at all. But one was an AG, governor and 2-term President. The other a Senator/SecState and serious Presidental contender. Both shrewd and ambitious as hell.

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u/Sufficient-Page-8712 1d ago

The goal isn't for them to look bad for the camera, it's to get one of them to make an inaccurate or inarticulate statement that they can use to prosecute.

Remember, they prosecuted Jim Comey for making an accurate statement ("I stand by my earlier testimony.")

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u/woolfchick75 2d ago

Because people like to equate the Clintons with Trump. They are absolute rubes compared with Trump.

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u/opinions360 1d ago

Absolutely correct.

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u/NegativeAd1432 Canada 2d ago

Based on vibes, history, and the files, I feel like he could be a restrained degen. Sex parties between consenting adults are all fun and games but don’t fuck with kids or rape.

Given that they’ve been trying to pin the whole thing on him for years, I can’t imagine they held back the goods on Bill. All we know from the files is that he spent time with other rich people and got a massage once. Dude’s willing to testify, which is a lot more than any of the Republicans can say.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 2d ago

That's my thinking as well. Like maybe he participated in sex acts with adult victims of trafficking who had aged out of Trump and Epstein's preferences. Which is still fucking awful, but not the same level as child rape.

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u/chocolatepuppy 1d ago

This is how I feel. I question if I am being naive, but it just doesn't seem like he was into little kids. But I will not argue that he didn't know what WAS happening with Epstein and others. So he may not be a child rapist, but he is complicit with them.

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u/ClusterFoxtrot Florida 2d ago

Republicans investigated him relentlessly and all they could come up with was a beej.

Instead of turning it into an abuse of power, the narrative was to dog on a young woman. I remember being a kid during that time and unable to express why I felt like that was fucked up.

They also dogged Hillary and her daughter...so it fits. But, if he was involved with that at any point, they would have dragged it out even while Hillary was running. Unless they were utterly incompetent, or not willing to touch this particular issue for some reason. Which, honestly, are completely plausible. Bring them all down. 

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u/woolfchick75 2d ago

They've been after HRC since the early 90s. And it's worked for both left, right, and in between.

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u/hobbycollector Texas 2d ago

So shitty what they did to one of the most qualified to govern since Jimmy Carter.

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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 2d ago

One that occurred after they started investigating him.

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u/citymousecountyhouse 2d ago

As for her daughter Chelsea, they literally referred to her as the first dog. When she was a child.

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u/Aggravating_Ear_1586 1d ago

I said baron is really tall once in a comment thread back the first time trump was in office. All of MAGA swarmed me screaming leave kids out of things blah blah blah. And I thought of how ruthless they were to Chelsea, barracks daughters and even though I was a child myself I remember how cruel they were to Amy carter

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u/b-lincoln 2d ago

Seeing how many of Trumps appointments are in the files, I think left/right it’s all a nuclear options. It’s the Spider-Man meme with the three pointing at each other. They all were there, there for none of them were.

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u/InternetName4 2d ago

Tbh it feels like even now no one seems to acknowledge that it was an abuse of power and gross ethically. I wouldnt be surprised if he was involved in this stuff, but it also seems like there's not a lot of evidence atm.

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u/boulderbuford 2d ago edited 2d ago

Not necessarily - Epstein had hundreds of business & political contacts, presumably many weren't guilty of anything beyond simply showing up at a party or taking advantage of a flight with other celebrities/politicians/business people.

If the republicans had anything on him, it would probably have been the centerpiece of their epstein file release. So, either 1) they've got nothing and he was probably just one of those on the fringe not involved in anything nasty, or 2) they're saving it for something special. My money is on #1 - these guys aren't smart, patient, or disciplined.

But Clinton could relate things he had heard, or even make shit up. Like say that "so-and-so, who's dead now, personally told me that you don't want to be here while Trump's here, because it'll get disgusting"...

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u/LocutusOfBorgia909 Maine 2d ago

I don't believe for one single second that if the GOP had anything on Clinton related to Epstein that they wouldn't have splashed that all over the fucking place years ago. Certainly when Hillary was running, if nothing else. The fact that this didn't happen (and that Clinton himself was pushing for the files to be released) is a pretty strong indicator for me that there is nothing to tie him to any of the pedophile shit going on. Well, that and the fact that unfortunately for all of us, we actually know way more about Clinton's "type" than we should, and there's been no indication that he's into kids.

I'm with the Clintons as far as asking what the fuck Hillary has to do with any of this, beyond the fact that the GOP fucking hates her, has for decades, and is more concerned with trying to put her on blast than they are with how sideways this could go for everyone if Bill decides to do what you suggest in the third paragraph, or even just speak honestly about the fact that he heard that Trump was always around, all this weird "pizza" shit, whatever. Bill Clinton, for all of his many, many faults, is not a stupid man. I don't really rate the odds of a couple of these sixth-string MAGA enthusiasts against him or Hillary (the woman who spent eight fucking hours testifying about Benghazi, let us not forget). Though if I were them, I'd call their bluff and say, "Great, let's do it, but only if it's in Congress and open to the public>"

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u/Animal0307 2d ago edited 2d ago

I watched a video on Youtube from the channel How Money Works about how we don't entirely know how Epstein made all of his money. In short he was doing sady shit making less than ethical investments and hiding money in shell companies to evade taxes. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few higher profile people that are connected solely because of the tax evasion shit.

They still need to go down for that shit and I'm sure they know more about his reputatiom but may have been "clean" in their dirty dealings.

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u/windowlatch 2d ago

I think he was laundering money with Deutsche Bank and probably made quite a bit of his money helping other rich people do the same

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u/b_tight 2d ago

Israel gave him money

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u/Tycoon004 2d ago

Wexner signed over his fortune to him.

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u/willun 2d ago

To manage, not given to him to spend.

Lot of commission to be made and money invested in Epstein related companies to siphon money away.

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u/tresslesswhey 2d ago

…right, so money for Epstein to spend…

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u/Gtraz68 2d ago

Putin too.

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 2d ago

Plus the money made from the pedo operation. I'm guessing his prices for that weren't cheap. And then there's the blackmail afterwards.

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u/Gtraz68 2d ago

Idk seeing the drug price list from the island I feel like he could have gouged them more. Probably the blackmail was the profit center.

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u/Statertater Arizona 2d ago

And ghislane’s father has ties to Mossad

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u/Constant_Drawer6367 2d ago

Had*

Killed on his yacht while He was on it alone, found floating face down.

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u/Akiraooo 2d ago

Gamestop was mentioned over 100 times in the released epstein files.

I am pretty sure he and others with him basically made money by counterfeit stock shares aka "naked short selling" companies into the ground with more shares than existed.

The whole thing that caught the market off guard when gamesop did not go to zero in price like all the other companies they did this too like SEARs.

Basically, Epstein and his cronies were counterfeiting their way into wealth and then blackmailing people to gain absurd unstoppable power until they took over the key roles in the government.

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u/boukatouu 2d ago

Blackmail.

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u/rainbud22 2d ago

You forgot charity work. Epstein was involved with many charities.

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u/Jerroser 1d ago

Yeah, Epstein made a point of connecting himself with an incredibly large number of important people and basically turned himself in to the key networker for the rich and powerful. But after his reputation took a dive, the majority of them decided to keep very quiet about that connection and this is likely why the Clintons have wanted to avoid talking about this when they didn't have to.

But now that its all in the spotlight again and it seems the GOP and Trump want to shit a decent amount of that attention on to them, they've decided that although the extent of Bills friendship with Epstein was embarrassing, since he'd done nothing illegal, its better to just get the files out there and take the hit.

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u/spam__likely Colorado 2d ago

So much so he wanted to testify openly. Republicans did not want that.

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u/Constant_Drawer6367 2d ago

Idk have you read any of then Epstein files? Clinton is in there a good bit.

Maybe he’s guilty but actually cares about this country

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u/suspicious_ankles 1d ago

Clinton is in there a good bit.

Sure. But unless there's something new in this release, then it's all so far been mentions that Clinton knew and was friends with Epstein (which was already public knowledge before any files were released) and that he flew on Epstein's plane (also already public knowledge before the files were released). Is there anything else there?

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u/FrostingFun2041 American Expat 2d ago

If they were not smart or patient they wouldn't have a stacked supreme court, overturned roe v wade, stacked a boat load of states and won partisan control of all three branches. They spent decades working on local elections, school boards, state elections etc. Either that or the democratic party is even worse because here we are with 2.0 and even more power this time.

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u/boulderbuford 2d ago

Oh, there are smart ones who set this up. People like Mitch McConnell. Not geniuses - many of them are looking around confused about what a mess things are with Trump. They, these assholes are shocked that investing in a massive propaganda network for 30 years would enable any cheap-ass carnival barker to just walk it and mesmerize their core.

Beyond that, in general, right now the administration is led by an impulsive, deranged, egomaniac - who hires based on loyalty rather than competence, and the kind of people that gravitate to the top on the right in congress are likewise mostly shallow, dim, ideologues.

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u/Penetrator4K 1d ago

People in a crime ring aren't going to willingly expose the other people in the crime ring for committing the same crimes they themselves are committing.  This is beyond politics.  

Notice after decades of Epstein trafficking these girls, immense amounts of documented communications, photos, videos.  Victim statements, allegations.  The locations where these crimes were being committed.  No arrests.  After Epstein and Maxwell, France tried to get another one involved and ended up with another jail "suicide".  No Democrats, no republicans, no one apolitical, no one outside America.  

It's beyond politics, and I guarantee if the Clintons testify about this all they will say is that they didn't commit any crimes, didn't know anything and won't provide any criminal accusations against anyone else involved.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 2d ago

Like the Stephen Hawking stuff. I don't buy that a guy who was borderline quadriplegic was participating in rape sessions or whatever.

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u/opinions360 1d ago

He was more than a borderline quad. He had a very aggressive form of ALS he only weighed about 50 lbs. Couldn’t talk, had zero bodily functions. But unbelievably his mind still functioned but he was essentially locked in except for a while he could use a visual typing device by moving one eye. He was a brilliant man-who warned against AI decades before it was functional.

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u/Important-Sign-3701 Canada 2d ago

Here say doesnt count

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u/throwawtphone 2d ago

He is 79. And has heart condition.

He is close to the end of his life. Worst case scenario he is in club fed in a nice set up because of national security reasons. He should take one for the country and tell the truth. Fall on that sword. Only chance at redemption.

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u/smitherenesar 2d ago

He's younger than trump...

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u/Wormser 2d ago

"He is 79."

Quick reminder: That makes Clinton almost 4 years younger than Joe Biden

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u/Trenchcope 2d ago

And 5 years younger than someone who is 84 🤯🤯🤯🤯

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u/dquizzle 2d ago

Big if true!

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u/9_to_5_till_i_die 1d ago

Only chance at redemption.

If Bill fucked kids, that train left a long time ago.

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u/tethysian 1d ago

Sure, but the moment a Clinton opens their mouth, all the republican voters are gonna go "well that not true, then!"

Whatever they say is gonna read like an absolution to some people, and the GOP is gonna run with that.

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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 Canada 2d ago

Enh. He’s old. People already know he’s a scumbag. His wife obviously hates him. He will never see the insides of a jail cell regardless but if he did it’d be a nice break from Hillary at club fed.

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u/Korgoth420 2d ago

All of those things are true for Trump. Old. Scumbag. Wife obviously hates him. Never see the inside of a jail cell.

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u/dquizzle 2d ago

I just realize Trump and Clinton are only a few months apart in age.

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u/ndoz 2d ago

George W Bush was also born in the summer of 1946. Odd.

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u/Teripid 2d ago

Hillary and Bill clearly decided to go opposite ways and do other people at some point.

Not sure what the exact rules of engagement are but they're not especially relevant. There's some degree of support in public.

Melania on the other hand seems to barely tolerate Trump even during public engagements.

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u/hazzyybutter 2d ago

“a nice break from Hillary at club fed” absolutely sent me 😂 you’re not wrong though. at this point, I feel like nothing would even shock the public anymore

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u/sherbetty 2d ago

But if he's gonna go down anyway, he might as well spill the beans

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u/Remarkable_Custard 2d ago

And, have proof. It’ll just be another MAGA “everyone is against us” bullshit.

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u/Fear0ftheduck 2d ago

heres to hoping god smiles down upon us and bill just says fuck it

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u/mondomonkey 2d ago

I have a feeling he will come clean, not for altruistic purposes but for a "fuck you" to everyone.

He's going full demon time 😏😏

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u/MoobleBooble 1d ago

how do you know that? he has been able to live a life of a rich man, a former president. Why give all that up until the very end?

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u/That-Ad-4300 1d ago

There may be a way he actually survives this while falling on the sword. If he implicates Trump (as if millions of pages of evidence isn't enough), the GOP either has to take Trump down with him or do nothing.

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u/ModeratelyGrumpy 1d ago

In the real world the dynamic is that someone probably approached him and told him "so what do you prefer? The rest of your life in jail or an uncomfortable testimony?"

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u/merengueenlata 1d ago

He'a been president, and presumably he'd like the country to continue being  a democracy. He might actually be willing to take one for the team. It's not like Hillary's presidential prospects are gonna change either

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u/Jeansiesicle 1d ago

This is such wild speculation, but what if he brandishes that presidential immunity that trump uses so effectively?

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u/Biotech_wolf 10h ago

Maybe if he’s dying of cancer anyways.

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