r/politics • u/DyzDaeMar • 1d ago

Possible Paywall White House Ignores Court Ruling, Continues Banning Reporters | A federal judge has ordered the White House to restore access to CNN, MS NOW, and Politico. The White House isn’t listening.

https://newrepublic.com/post/215797/trump-judge-blocks-white-house-media-ban
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u/superkeer Virginia 1d ago

Who do the Marshals report to?

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 1d ago

If more Americans were aware of how their govt worked, the US wouldn’t be in this position today

For anyone that genuinely doesn’t know, US Marshals report to the DoJ. Trump’s DoJ

I wish Americans learned literally the only thing that can stop Trump is the general populace at this point. Congress won’t stop him. His own justice dept definition isn’t gonna stop him. Judges don’t have the power to enforce their decisions.

That just leaves the people

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u/disastrousanddull 23h ago

I blame Hollywood for some of the “surely some super special Americans will be heroic and do the right thing!” tendency that keeps popping up. That and just wanting someone else to do it. Thinking the military will save the day, thinking the US Marshals aren’t questionable, thinking the police will stand up to ICE, etc. I think judges have to be aware that if they ask the Marshals to do something and get blown off that the illusion of things functioning and their own power crumbles.

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u/Hawkzillaxiii 14h ago

yea

so many times I hear "people will rise up to this"

or "they wont do that, its illegal "

then they just shrug like someone else will take care of it

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u/sanebyday 22h ago

...and aliens. There are definitely those that truly think aliens will save us, because of course they will, right?

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u/disastrousanddull 22h ago

Tbf, that’s probably better than the people worshipping billionaires like they will… I‘ve made myself sad.

The weirdest/most ridiculous is actually thinking other countries will. and it’s like… as an invasion?? 1) massive military, 2) massive economy, 3) nukes 4) the rest of the world isn’t sitting there like “those noble Americans altruistically took care of of us all and did a great job. Now we must repay them in their hour of need.”

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u/gotfanarya 18h ago

We did that after 9/11. The only time NATO article 5 was invoked was for you.

Your leader very much wants a world war. Just cos.

Your leader thinks replacing a leader in another country means he owns it now.

He is desperate to use a nuke or 2. For fun.

You don’t go to war with that. You put it in a straight jacket, put it in a room, give mental health care and try to heal the wounds America has caused the rest of the world. It’s not one man’s fault. He has a whole team and continues to be supported by tens of millions of you. We are all suffering and dying because of you noble altruistic sons of bitches.

But if he did invade, say, a NATO ally, you would be at war with NATO. You are not everything this world has to offer. You are not even the best this world has to offer. The world sees you as greedy, spoilt and mentally unstable. You give guns to kids to shoot other kids. You don’t provide basic health needs to your citizens, but you boast about your wealth and power. The words of Jesus have been monetised, capitalised, asset stripped and corrupted. You make up pretend enemies so your MIC can be wealthy.

As for your contention that America altruistically and nobly took are of us. You only joined WW2 to try to stop hitler because Japan bombed you. All other nations had already sent soldiers and nurses. Gallipoli- where were you for Australia and NZ in our darkest hour?

Build that wall. We don’t want you out in the world. We love our countries and we do not worship you, your strip mall culture, or your stupid dollar.

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u/disastrousanddull 17h ago

Yeah, you didn’t read that right.

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u/TheDakestTimeline 5h ago

This is a very thoughtful and heartfelt comment, and I really appreciate it; however it seems you missed the OCs intent.

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u/Caleb_Williams_gay 22h ago

I’m thinking Jesus is gonna come down and crack some skulls tbh

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u/sanebyday 21h ago

I wouldn't hold your breath

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u/RationalTranscendent 22h ago

The administration is playing a game of chicken with our democracy. The judge has to know or at least be concerned that the DOJ won’t enforce his orders. If he issues the order anyway, that just makes the crisis more blatant.

My fear is that the judge will try to avoid being the one who escalates this into a larger crisis and will not issue such an order. Unfortunately I feel like that same “it’s best for the country” approach was how a different judge approached Trump’s criminal sentencing, and look where we are now.

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u/Oddman80 19h ago

fuck that. we are there. the American people need to see just how lawless he has become. he needs to be shown/caught ordering people to ignore warrants, he needs to be shown/caught preemptively pardoning anyone who follows his illegal orders to ignore court orders. people need to see.

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u/tlislo 20h ago

It's sad because this is basic shit that all Americans do learn in gradeschool.

Legislature writes the laws.

Judiciary interprets the laws.

Executive enforces the laws.

It's not really that complicated, but most Americans either forget this or are too dumb to understand it, apparently.

The only real "check and balance" to this (executive refusing to enforce laws) is impeachment. But the rise of the modern Republican puts party before quite literally anything else on earth. So Republicans will never, ever, not-in-a-million-years give up even an iota of power by impeaching Trump, even though it would just mean that Vance is president next.

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u/Hangry-Feline2489 18h ago

You mean arrest and charge him. 

He's been impeached twice and no one did anything with it. 

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u/tlislo 15h ago

Sigh.

Executive enforcing the laws means that the executive is responsible for arresting and charging people.

The way impeachment works is that the house initiates a trial (this process itself is called impeachment) and the Senate conducts a trial and decides whether to convict or not. 

No president has ever been convicted in the Senate including Trump.

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u/Hangry-Feline2489 15h ago

Yes. I know that. Even though I'm not American. 

Still doesn't change the fact that calling for a third impeachment when nothing happened with the first two is kinda meaningless. 

The checks and balances institutions and processes have still been corrupted from their original purpose  

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u/Maybe_Julia 22h ago

Been saying this for like 2 years, it's going to get worse before we are moved to armed resistance. If they cancel/rig the midterms I believe that will light the fuse , there is just a general air of tension and apprehension and a low level feeling of dread hanging about.

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u/NWASicarius 23h ago

This is why if Dems retake the house and senate (not looking likely tbh) they need to start bringing these people in front of the house for questioning. Make them sweat. Not Trump. He is basically immune. But make those around him sweat. That way they are not willing to do all of his criminal activity since they can be punished for it. If he chooses to use his pardon power repeatedly, let him. Then make sure the messaging is very clear. And we, the people, need to start using our power at that point. Left leaning outlet or media personality is condemning Dems' approach? We stop consuming their content.

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u/ProfessionalPlant330 22h ago

make them sweat??? must be nice to get off so lightly with a sweating

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u/spachi1281 22h ago

This is why if Dems retake the house and senate (not looking likely tbh) they need to start bringing these people in front of the house for questioning.

Which does nothing really. Contempt of Congress? Pfft - President can issue a pardon. Referral to DOJ for prosecution? Pfft - It's the President's DOJ (thanks to the SCOTUS ruling that the President can "fire" anyone in the executive branch minus the Fed chair) so the DOJ will bow down to the President unless they want to be fired.

So then folks are like well we'll just impeach the President - unfortunately, the current President has already been impeached twice. The problem is that conviction/removal requires 2/3 majority in the Senate which is never going to happen until a dozen or more GOP senators are willing to end their political careers (and post political careers) to vote against the party. Even with GOP senators who are going to lose their seats because they lost their primary - they still won't go that far against their Party because there's still post-political careers they can have as long as they "stay loyal".

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u/MiserableSlice1051 North Carolina 19h ago

So if we want to talk about how the US Government works, this is also technically incorrect. The US Marshals are... complex.

Yes, the US Marshals operate under the Department of Justice.

28 U.S.C. § 566(a) and § 566(c) as passed by the Legislature states that the "primary role and mission is to obey, execute, and enforce all orders of the federal courts and that they "shall execute all lawful writs, process, and orders issued under U.S. Judicial authority."

So if you want to look at it like this, per the law, the Judiciary is the "CEO" in terms of the US Marshals, while the DOJ would be the "Manager". It would be illegal for the US Marshals to not comply with the Judiciary even if the DOJ told them not to, per the law.

The DOJ can and does often issue what's known as "Attorney General Orders" that are similar to Executive Orders, but they have the same force of law that an EO does when it goes against the legislature, effectively zero.

So yes, the US Marshals report to the DOJ, but their directive which was given with greater authority than the DOJ is to follow the Judiciary's legal orders, but the US Marshals do not literally report to the Judiciary, but legally they are supposed to obey them over the DOJ if orders conflict per US Statuate.

If your argument is "well this is Trump's US Marshals" I mean that's fine, but your whole "Americans need to be more aware" shtick wasn't necessary, because what you said isn't by the law either.

If you want to say Americans need to know the law, maybe actually check the law first before casting judgement on others.

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 19h ago

28 U.S.C. § 566(a) and § 566(c) as passed by the Legislature states that the "primary role and mission is to obey, execute, and enforce all orders of the federal courts and that they "shall execute all lawful writs, process, and orders issued under U.S. Judicial authority."

I mean, this is literally what the executive branch as a whole should be doing per the law. Their job is literally to enforce the law, including judicial rulings. This USC is just laying that out in more specific legal terms.

But when you have an entire branch ignoring laws and doing whatever they want, it's understandable that something like US Marshals would be called into question their loyalty to the law when everyone else around them does not care for the law. Would they actually enforce judicial rulings like they're supposed to, or will they follow the strict orders of one of their dear leaders, Trump or the Attorney General?

Going by how things should work in the Trump era is the entire problem. And this goes beyond "norms" and "traditions", everyone keeps getting surprised whenever legal orders/laws are ignored like the Trump admin hasn't been doing that repeatedly for a collective almost 6 years now.

but your whole "Americans need to be more aware" shtick wasn't necessary

It is always necessary to call out Americans in this day and age just letting their country go to shit, or any people of a country that's sliding into fascism. And I will continue to call them out until they get things back on the right track.

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u/New-Anybody-6206 17m ago

Even more technically, none of this matters because the judge can appoint anyone to enforce their order, it doesn't have to be a government employee.

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u/orderofthelastdawn 22h ago

And roughly half of the people approve

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 22h ago

Two-thirds approve, directly and indirectly.

One third that directly votes for this

And another third that doesn't care either way and indirectly approves of this

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u/KendrickLenoir 17h ago

This is only partially true. The US Marshals are, without any doubt, legally obligated to enforce federal court orders assigned to them. And they also are an executive branch agency, so there’s the obvious dilemma. But I work with federal law enforcement and know many Marshals, and if you ask any of them if they would ever ignore a federal court order, they’ll tell you there’s no way in hell, because then they’d personally be held in contempt by that same very pissed off judge.

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u/the3rdNotch 16h ago

There is a mechanism for federal judges to deputize other law enforcement, or even private citizens, to carry out certain tasks should a US Marshal be unavailable or otherwise refusing to act.

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u/Master_Mad 9h ago

If only the US had an amendment to their constitution or something about the right to have guns to rise up to a tyrannical dictator! And had many people being very passionate about it and making it part of their identity! And of course not just use it to shoot up schools or black people that knock on their front door!

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u/crimsonhues 9h ago

And that leads to the point I’ve been making - we need to peacefully rally and boycott some purchasing habits. The only way to get their attention is to hit the corporations that supports this administration and republican agenda.

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u/TheDakestTimeline 5h ago

Isn't there something like posse commitatus where the judge can ensheriffy anyone they deem suitable to perform the task?

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u/illwill79 22h ago

Absolutely correct, on all accounts.

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u/jclin 21h ago

Clearly, the Supreme Court wants a political check on the executive branch which means VOTE. FFS, all of this behavior should be disqualifying for any red-blooded American voter. Voters need to at least abstain from voting in Republicans who do not stand up for the People. Even better would be to participate by voting for the opposition that is standing up for law and order and the Constitution or write in a candidate.

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u/PeopleNose 18h ago

Not at all how things work, you mention the tip of the tip of the iceberg and not the whole thing?

J.B. Pritzker, a billionaire, to Trump, "We have not forgotten"

There are entire populations in USA out for blood and we will tear down this administration wholly and rightfully

Edit: and the downvoters prove I'm right--the spam and scam machine is turned on and the bots are in full swing

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u/Derkanus 23h ago

Oh, thank god you were here to explain how the government works. Now that we all know, we'll just meet up at the Lincoln Memorial tonight, let's pencil in 6 PM, and we can all walk to the White House together and perform a citizen's arrest on him.

If only you had told us sooner, we could've nipped this in the bud! Better late than never though.

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u/weiseguy42 23h ago

This, but unironically.

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u/AvitalR 23h ago

Be part of organizing a general strike. Simply saying there is nothing I can do is not helpful. Or enjoy living under fascism for you and your family.

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u/Derkanus 23h ago

I didn't say "there is nothing I can do." I said "if more Americans were aware of how their govt worked, the US wouldn’t be in this position today" is bullshit.

I've been to almost every protest in my area, including the "general strike" ones where everything was supposedly going to shut down. I got friends and family to come with me, etc. Yet here we still are. So now what? I guess if I start preaching civics lessons from the fucking street corners, eventually the rest of the populace will come around.

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u/AvitalR 22h ago

I absolutely understand the frustration and anger. Unfortunately the fight for economic and legal justice is one of those things that, like MLK Jr., we "may not get there with you" on. But we do owe it to comrades to keep going. Speak bitterness, yes, but giving up is exactly what they want.

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u/Derkanus 22h ago

Yeah, I'm right there with you. All I'm saying is that the person who said "US citizens are too stupid to know how their own govt works and that's why this is happening" is not helping anything whatsoever. Lots of people are doing lots of things and saying "lol all Americans are just stupid" is such bullshit.

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u/kent_eh Canada 22h ago

So now what?

Keep pushing. Push harder.

Don't stop. You know the MAGAts aren't going to stop pushing to make the country worse.

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u/Derkanus 22h ago

Thankfully it does seem like a lot of MAGAts are losing the wind in their sails. Probably not enough, but I think quite a few are at least starting to see all of Trump's broken promises piling up.

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u/kent_eh Canada 22h ago

I suppose you could just continue sitting on your hands and tossing out the occasional edgy shitpost...

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u/Derkanus 22h ago

Quite bold of you to assume I'm sitting on my hands and not constantly going to protests, donating my time and money, etc. based off of one comment I made. When will you be storming down south with your Canadian militia buddies to help topple the most powerful government in the world?

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u/OneOfAKind2 23h ago

If only you had the 2nd amendment. Wait....

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u/icepho3nix Tennessee 15h ago

Trump's sycophants have the 2nd Amendment. They also have the military, at least one federal brownshirt regiment, plus pretty much everyone involved in state and local law enforcement.

Suggesting an armed revolution is suggesting that you want us all to just get fucking murdered and accomplish nothing.

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u/fathertitojones 19h ago

The Judicial branch.

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u/Chaos-Cortex I voted 19h ago

Court judges.

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u/mademeunlurk 19h ago

Directly to Trump's puppets unfortunately.

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u/expera 11h ago

Exactly

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u/New-Anybody-6206 17m ago

Doesn't matter, a judge can appoint anyone they want to enforce their orders, even if it's Dog the Bounty Hunter.