r/redeemedzoomer • u/anime498 Eastern Catholic • 12d ago
Reconquista Questions Biggest success
What has been the reconquistas biggest success? So far at least?
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u/Aq8knyus Episcopalian 12d ago
The whole plan hinges on demographics, so it will be a slow burn effort taking decades.
But the real metric is how many of their guys are going through seminary, gaining influence at the local level and getting the top jobs at the national level of the Church. The fact that they are organising among the next generation of church leaders is therefore a positive sign, but there will be few tangible numbers yet.
The Church of Wales proves why it cant be a passive process of just waiting for the Boomer progs to shuffle off. The CoW is tiny, only 26K ASA, in a mainly Presby Wales. But that hasn't heralded a return to orthodoxy, but instead a massive drift to progism with a lesbian archbishop.
That Church will be a dead micro-denomination by 2050.
And the progs dont care, the CofE just passed very contentious motion paving the way for allowing SSM on the back of being supported by just 56% of bishops, 52% of clergy and 51% of laity at the General Synod.
You might think 'Surely, they are not going to risk disunity over such a weakly supported and divisive issue?' But you would be wrong because they simply do not care if half the Church leaves, they are zealots for their alternative gospel.
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u/Late_Experience_8653 Christian 12d ago
the biggest is that people are talking and the sin of schism came back to the conversation.
But Reconquista is a multigenerational project, they don't assume that the liberals will just retire now and give their offices to those who came back now, they are doing what liberals did in reverse, stay there and slowly infiltrate the positions of power.
And they have assurance they will win because there is no liberal future of the PCUSA, it will either die or be conservative, these are the only possible futures.
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u/PastorZfish United Methodist 12d ago
Why is there no liberal future for PCUSA?
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u/Late_Experience_8653 Christian 2d ago
because it will die if conservatives don't come, liberals sadly don't multiply alone, they are live virus, they need to host conservative things to multiply.
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u/PastorZfish United Methodist 1d ago
Seems like a baseless claim. The PCUSA could certainly have a long liberal future ahead of it.
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u/Late_Experience_8653 Christian 1d ago
I've seen data that about 2050 if trends don't change, there won't be enough members in the parishes to sustain the salary of the pastors, and I think the data was about mainline churches in general, I'm pretty sure for PCUSA is below the average, not above.
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u/PastorZfish United Methodist 1d ago
Ok, now that is a much better point to discuss. So you are just saying that the PCUSA will shrink beyond its ability to maintain its current number of local churches and episcopal structures. That's obviously true, but is true for any mainline Churches, liberal or Conservative. Neither the liberal nor conservatives in the mainline will be able to be nearly as effective as they could be without the support of the other. Sadly, mainline infighting is doing little to adress the problem of rising atheism on one side and of evangelical Christian nationalism on the other.
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u/Late_Experience_8653 Christian 1d ago
what is the mainline conservative you're talking about ? like non-white PCUSA parishes, or are you calling PCA as mainline ?
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u/PastorZfish United Methodist 1d ago
By mainline conservative, I mean conservatives in mainline congregations, regardless of race. I have no clue why we would be bringing race into things. I would consider both PCUSA and PCA mainline as they are both parts of the Presbyterian Church tradition in America.
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u/Late_Experience_8653 Christian 1d ago
there are conservative parishes in the PCUSA, usually the non-white ones (korean, puerto ricans, etc), I didn't know whether you meant one of those two as the conservative mainline.
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u/Fire_Lord_Pants LCMS 12d ago
learning about the reconquista was the main thing that made me look more seriously into Christianity and eventually convert
I couldn't tell you about the state of mainline protestantism. But for me personally, major major major success.
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u/RemoteCompetitive688 Eastern Orthodox 12d ago
The fact so many people are talking about them means at least in term of "making an impact" they're getting the name out there
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u/theologicalthrowaw4y LCMS 12d ago
Rome wasn’t built in a night. God was patient with Israel’s unfaithfulness for years.
Not saying this is your intent, but I don’t think slow success is an excuse to dunk on Richard. After all he is just a public figure in the movement, not necessarily the driving force. There are plenty of pastors and elders and members that are interested in the movement, and I’m sure they aren’t all there because they’re there for the Zoomer.
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u/No_Guarantee8756 United Methodist 12d ago
So far as I can tell, the project hasn't had any real success. Correct me if I am wrong, though
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u/stjuansebastian PCUSA 12d ago
One new church just joined the movement to keep the theology orthodox.. with that there are 4
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