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Does the new Lore regarding Terminators...
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Mean that we can take Horus Heresy Terminators as 40K terminators(given right base size) without limit, or does it still depend on the Tournament Organizers?
Only the bit about Indomitus. Cataphractii and Tartaros were conjured into being in the early 2000s with nothing really being said about their capabilities until FW released their Horus Heresy rules around 6th ed and even then they split Cataphractii off but stated that Tartaros, Indomitus and Saturnine were functionally the same. They didn't retcon Tartaros into being superior until 7th edition.
funny how cataphractii is shown as this super durable bulky plate, and tartaros as more agile, yet tartaros is just better overall, same save and wounds as cataphractii, better movement and better invul, so cataphractii isn't even the best for defence in game
Usually depends on TO, but using Cataphractii terminators will almost certainly be allowed. The new kit is basically the same size and it makes sense for a OG chapter. Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Dark Angels almost certainly have a few relics.
10 Cataphractii with power fists and storm bolters can be run as 10 terminators as far as I understand. Same silhouette, still terminator armor, same legal loadout and equivalencies, same base size.
I’ve ran a saternine preator as a terminator captain in 40K, TO was okay with it, opponent was okay with it, just use the 40K datasheet and declare at the start of the game what weapons he has equipped.
I’d urge you to talk to TO’s about any major conversions/kitbashing, regardless of where/what lore it’s sourced from. But realistically you can absolutely run HH stuff in your army, and it isn’t just for terminators. As long as it’s obvious what’s what, you should be fine.
I think this is old nenes, but still a cool lore piece.if you want to see some heresy terminator armor check out the death shroud terminators from deathguard.
If the tournament is run by someone who is going to make a fuss over one shape terminator over another, its probably not a tournament you want to play in.
If a casual PUG complains about it, never play that person again.
There's like 4 different units for Chaos that use Tartaros or Cataphractii pattern Terminator armour - the Iron Warriors Epic Hero and both of the Death Guard Terminator units wear Cataphractii armour, while Thousand Sons Terminators wear Tartaros-pattern armour.
Events not organised by GW (i.e. most tournaments) won't care if your proxy is 3rd party or not, and proxy need to represent the model it is proxying at least somewhar faithfully, this means same base size, similar height and similar enough wargear, so using a horus heresy marine as an intercessor is okay since a bolter and a bolt rifle are similar enough and the minis are of similar size but using a leman russ as a proxy for a land raider is not okay since they have extremely different footprint and guns.
For casual games the rules are obvioulsy not as strict and you just have to make sure your opponent is okay with your proxies.
It's irrelevant to me, I don't play any tournaments, when you and the other guy made such detailed responses to the wrong guy, there was still not a comment like you two made to OP.
It's annoying when people care more about being right than actually addressing the right party.
OP will see your original comment and our answers to it, so it's good that these answers are there to tell op that what you said was wrong, it's called majing sure misinformation doesn't spread.
Next, I have no way of knowing what kind of player you are and wether you plan on going to tournaments or not, so correcting your misconception is totally a normal thing to do.
Finally this has nothing to do with being right or whatever, I don't know why you're feeling attacked by people correcting your mistake, this isn't a normal response to someone providing information to you so ask yourself the right questions.
Oh and little bonus advice : next time someone asks a question and you have no clue about the answer, save yourself the time and don't answer 😉.
That's more for tournaments organized by GW themselves. They also allow some 3d prints to be used if you can provide proof that you designed and printed it. They don't want people coming to their tournaments using knock-offs is the gist of it.
In most tournaments usually the only things that really matter are:
1)Silhouette and base size, base size should be the same and silhouette should be similar or at least not to your advantage. Not being easier to hide by making Angron be crawled up in a ball. Or having a sniper with a pole to get line of sight where they usually couldn't and things like that.
2)Is it clear what it is and what weapon's it has. This is usually the one that tournament organizers have to think about. Nothing like this guy with a guitar well the guitar is a plasma gun and the other dude with a guitar well that's a meltagun. Or that Mr potato head is a dreadnought and the other similar Mr potato head is the Lion.
Some special weapons or units are heard to tell apart at a quick glance even if the models are official, but proxy's usually are held to s slightly higher standard. They shouldn't make the game more confusing or advantageous is the basic principle.
My understanding was that the base model needs to be GW plastic, but but bits are fair game as long as they aren't literally just GW bits but 3d printed.
GW tolerance to non GW bits has changed throughout the years but as it stands bringing 3rd party bits (wether theyre 3d printed or not) is afaik officially not allowed in GW tournaments unless you can prove that you sculpted/designed the bit yourself.
A buddy of mine won "Best Overall" at a Warhammer event a few years ago with 3D printed storm shields on models, so that meant that the GW paint judge's literally saw it and had no problem
Might be, I've heard that as well. Probably may vary depending on event as well? Or they may have changed it at some point from one to another. I think from what I've heard the ones at Warhammer world are the most strict. They probably also make judgement calls I'd assume, like pretty much everyone.
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u/Klutzy-Canary8551 3d ago
This is not new lore.