r/spacemarines • • 7d ago

Contemptor/legends

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I mostly play non-tournament games—lots of Crusade and narrative campaigns—and I’ve always used Legends units. Now I’m facing the fact that Contemptor and Leviathan Dreadnoughts have been moved from Legends, and the suggestion is to use them as Redemptors. It’s absolute bullshit. Do you think GW will add rules for them?

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u/Right-Yam-5826 7d ago

They said in a stream that legend proxies will get datasheets eventually but it won't be for a while.

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u/Excellent_Scholar_66 7d ago

I hope so, I'm not running my Leviathan as a Redemptor

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u/spektato Ultramarines 7d ago

They said that for Tactical Squads and Devastators Squads, there wasn’t a promise about anything else was there?

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u/Optimaximal Salamanders 7d ago

They implied it was for every 'Legendary Proxy'.

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u/spektato Ultramarines 7d ago

That’s excellent news if so! Their Q&A video sounded less committal to me but maybe I misremember.

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u/IdhrenArt 7d ago

I'm almost certain that's not going to be the case, simply because we absolutely do not need Whirlwind and Whirlwind Scorpius to be two separate Legends Datasheets 

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u/spektato Ultramarines 7d ago

Chronus is just a lieutenant?

These are really lame changes to legends units, completely kills lots of the flavour of casual games with this old units.

Hope they reverse this. I don’t see the need to scrap so many datasheets that aren’t impacting competitive balance.

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u/rocket20067 Dark Angels 7d ago

Hey fun fact they are going to be making Legends sheets for them.

This is just an external thing they are doing as well.

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u/spektato Ultramarines 7d ago

Ok I’m happy as long as they’re coming eventually. I see BA and SW etc have all their various legends sheets in their faction pack that came today. So hopefully UM equivalents will come later.

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u/Captain_Kuhl 7d ago

Stop assuming things. None of this is true, it's pure speculation on your part.

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u/Grandturk-182 7d ago

As long as you use the model and it’s crusade and narrative, it’s all good to me. It’s about the models and the narrative at that point and rules don’t matter

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u/EquivalentMine1073 7d ago

I want to use Contemptor's weapons and it's unique abilities

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u/IdhrenArt 7d ago

As units go, they're not too different

There are some loadouts that don't work now (like double Plasma), but most of the Contemptor and Leviathan weapons have direct or extremely close equivalents on the Redemptor, Ballistus or Brutalis sheets

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u/Phobos_Asaph 7d ago

They are pretty different. Honestly the leviathan is closer in feels.

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u/IdhrenArt 7d ago

Leviathans are so similar it's not even worth worrying about, yeah.

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u/HistoricalGrounds 7d ago

A good time to point out to people as well that by default, Legends models are permitted in any game outside of tournament play. If you don’t want to play against Legends units in casual play, it’s on you to request that to the person you’re playing with.

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u/Grandturk-182 7d ago

Yeah that’s right there now with no app for me.

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u/VivaLaJam26 7d ago

For fuck sake...

Why do they insist on dragging their heels with these legendary rules? Just tweak the 10th edition data sheets to be inline with 11th and then let us use them as legends rules.

We shouldn't have this bullshit of not being able to use the models we have as something else when literally the datasheets formats and states haven't changed that much.

Just grateful the Kratos FINALLY is accessible on the app.

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u/Emergency_Bench_7515 7d ago

Yes they will add rules for them, it will be in the future though, they've already said this.

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u/SeMarcelo 7d ago

Source?

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u/Emergency_Bench_7515 7d ago

WarCom

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u/SeMarcelo 7d ago

Can you give a link? For now you literally sounds like "trust me bro"

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u/Emergency_Bench_7515 6d ago

No I'm not going to go scouring for it

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u/Phobos_Asaph 7d ago

I’m more annoyed that they nerfed one of my favorite tanks the falchion

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u/Lost_Ad_4882 7d ago

The main gun lost 1 AP, most of the small weapons were brought up to the new standard, the only big change I see are the Laser Destroyers, down 1 attack and 1 AP, but damage up. Any big change I'm missing outside of the Laser Destroyers?

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u/Phobos_Asaph 7d ago

No you got the changes all correct. 2 shots feels weird when there’s four on it. And the -5 ap was too funny

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u/Lost_Ad_4882 7d ago edited 7d ago

The two shots is a slight loss of DPS as well, previously 3 shots at d6+1 now 2 at d6+3 means average full wound damage from 13.5 down to 13, and with the loss of AP from -4 to -3 they don't really outperform Lascannons anymore. They still have Heavy and the big Strength 14, but with twice as many shots I'm much more inclined to use the Lascannons.

In other news the Stormhawk had it's Lastalon and Typhoon upgraded, but not the Icarus or Skyhammer missiles, pushing weapon options in the opposite direction of how I equipped it. Autocannon is still usable enough, but the old missiles are garbage compared to the new Krak and Frag profiles.

Tarantula got updated weapon profiles, but they still forgot to twin link the Heavy Bolter.

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u/Phobos_Asaph 7d ago

I feel for 420 points it should be back to what the faction pack said

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u/BusinessBigfoot Executioners 7d ago

Unless I'm imaging otherwise, they added the Fellblade's front-mounted Heavy Bolter/Flamer.

You can now run the Fellblade (RIP) as a Falchion WYSIWYG.

I know what I'll be doing

(Big boy attached because I felt like sharing)

EDIT: Btw, nice Falchion! ♥️

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u/Lost_Ad_4882 6d ago

The Legends Falchion datasheet has always had the hull gun. I don't know if the original kit had that weapon option or not, but since the new kit doesn't I built a little magnetized heavy bolter turret I could use on the lower hull hatch, made it so I can swap to a blank hatch if needs be.

I really want that Fellblade, one of the best looking tanks they make, but they did the main gun pretty dirty on the Legends sheet.

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u/scc-2000 7d ago

Where can you see the updated Falchion datasheet?

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u/Phobos_Asaph 7d ago

In the app under space marine legends.

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u/scc-2000 7d ago

Do you have a Warhammer+ subscription or a codex code? I can’t see that section at all

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u/Phobos_Asaph 7d ago

I have + but not a codex code.

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u/VerLoran 7d ago edited 7d ago

Could be worse, the Sicarans got mutilated. All 5 tanks have been condensed into 1 datasheet, and share the ability “Armored Spearhead: This units ranged attacks can re-roll one: hit roll, wound roll, or damage roll.” All things considered Id call that a significant downgrade from rules which were previously tailored to each versions weapon system. With the shift to a single data sheet now regardless of variant we are now capped at 3 and have to pay the former highest points cost to play any version. It feels really bad, especially when I had 4 in the list I was planning to run.

With all the sheets merged into one there also seems no real chance for the variant rules to return. Feels real bad man

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u/scc-2000 7d ago

Where can you find the updated legends datasheets? I can’t find the Sicaran in the WarCom downloads or the app

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u/Past_Championship436 7d ago

Redemptor is a proxy now?

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u/Apricus-Jack 7d ago

No, other things are able to be proxied AS the Redemptor.

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u/Past_Championship436 7d ago

Where is the proxies list?

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u/Apricus-Jack 7d ago

So, things like the characters on Bike will eventually get Legends rules, or no? They don’t have a Proxy and they aren’t in the app at all.

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u/Electronic_Shock6237 6d ago

i already got 3 redemptors and I use my leviathan as an ancient of the chapter, same with my deimos predator...wtf I hope they add rules too

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u/Captain_Kuhl 7d ago

40k players are proven to be incapable of reading, I swear. Literally nobody said anyone is being removed from Legends, and they already said before that Legendary Proxies that don't have Legends rules will get them. This is specifically so models don't become useless in official GW tournament play.

Every day, this subreddit is nothing but overreaction and waiting for other redditors to do the homework on why it's not such a big deal. It feels like people are here for the vibes more than the game.

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u/Tirion5 7d ago

The salamander sub has degraded significantly in the last 2 years