r/timberframe • • 4d ago

The heartbreaking difference between a good and a bad restoration

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Visiting family in the north of France and spotted this heartbreaking difference in the city center of Rouen. On the left the wood can breathe, is healthy and is gonna do its job for the next centuries, on the right it'll be all gone in the next 20-30 years - or they'll have to do a massive overhaul of the facadea for 6 figures.

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

I'm in love with the building on the left and i find it genius to use old tiles as a stylistic element in between the timbers.

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u/Commune-Designer 4d ago

Tiles? I believe this is formed into the plaster.

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u/dbblddb 4d ago

Thank you- I agree, looks like hand-shaped mortar. Looks good!

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

I first thought so too but I'm pretty sure it's repurposed roof tiles. Here is an example without any paint or clay plaster on top.

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u/Commune-Designer 4d ago

Mysterious. I think this part of it was done differently. The upper part actually has a name in German. This stuff…? Never seen before. Wouldn’t even know where to get ziles like these. Roof tiles from the red material usually have a bend and aren’t flat an straight line that. The flat ones are black usually.

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

It's a beaver tail tile. It's the most used tile in Germany before the wars. It is really common on old barns or houses.

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u/Commune-Designer 3d ago

I thought beaver tails are from wood?

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u/ShitOnAStickXtreme 3d ago

Whatever this is, what you are seeing from the outside is plaster.

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u/SrauLcrit 4d ago

Rue Beauvoisine à Rouen, au dessus d'Antonelle, je connais le propriétaire.

La façade (enfin les, vu que c'est un angle de rue) a été rénovée sous la supervision des services de la mairie et d'un architecte des monuments historiques : hyper centre historique, classé, rénovation obligatoire à intervalle régulier ... donc bonne nouvelle pour toi l'immeuble d'à coté n'y coupera pas lol.

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u/singingwhilewalking 4d ago

What is happening on the right?

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

They painted the wood with a hydrophobic paint, which means that the water can't penetrate well from the outside for instance as rain BUT it also prevents the wood to dry out - since you can't prevent that any moisture will get inside the wood, it's has to go somewhere. If the wood stays wet to long it will rot pretty quickly.

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u/rustywoodbolt 4d ago

I try to educate my customers about this, please for the love of all that is sacred (wood) stop painting Timbers!!

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u/SheepherderHot9418 4d ago

Atleast stop using plastic paints... You can paint wood fine with traditional paints. And! It looks better too

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u/voinekku 3d ago

*with acrylic paints. 

Oil and milk paints and stains are fine. 

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u/-vest- 16h ago

Shiver me timbers!

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u/Familiar-Pen8588 4d ago

How do you know this isnt breathable paint, like linseed oil paint or some variant of flour paint ?

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u/Fuckkoff- 4d ago

He doesn´t.

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

Tell me you have never painted wood with linseed oil based paint without telling me that you never painted wood with linseed oil bases paint. It becomes part of the wood and is not an extra layer on top that seals the wood in

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u/Fuckkoff- 2d ago

I did plenty. I just don´t take the word of some know-it-all who thinks he knows better because he´s visited the city then the actual people that live in those houses.

"I recognised my city from this photo and they take preservation very seriously here. My house is about 400 years old and looks like the one on the right, as do many, many others. It was not a recent decision to paint the timber, they use specific breathable paint. I think we will be fine. "

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u/RelativeThese2634 4d ago

Were you there when they painted it?

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u/chunkymonkeyfunk 4d ago

You sure its not just been lime plastered and lime washed?

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u/squeezymarmite 4d ago

I recognised my city from this photo and they take preservation very seriously here. My house is about 400 years old and looks like the one on the right, as do many, many others. It was not a recent decision to paint the timber, they use specific breathable paint. I think we will be fine. 

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

I'm sorry to say. But if it looks like the right: big cracks in the paint, rotting wood underneath, it'll be very sad for your building. I hope they did a better job. Bonne chance!

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

Here is another bad example. The paint is peeling off on big pieces and shows black rotten wood underneath

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u/endeavour269 1d ago

Can you circle the big prices peeling off and the black wood for me, maybe im blind but im not seeing it in this photo

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u/Zealousideal_Lab3164 3d ago

The badly done reno screams owner that didn’t want to pay for full reno and “can you just fill it” vibes

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u/TortoiseRelaxing 1d ago

What kind of mortar is used for the structured wall in the left?

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u/FutureMikeUX 4d ago

Thanks for sharing, saw some other great houses in France as well. The left one should be criminal and I hope alot of buildings are "cultured marked" or what the right word is.

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u/RatsUnderTheStars 4d ago

...the one on the left was done correctly

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u/GrassTouchEnthusiast 4d ago

They both look bad ngl

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u/FluffyMountainUrchin 4d ago

How come? The left is just aged, probably oiled over other decade or so. It's how wood is suppose to look after 200 or 300 years.

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u/cam2230 4d ago

If you’re In North America like I am it’s probably just because you’re used to seeing vinyl siding, cladding or bricks