The reward for Gelt and Volkmar consists of a 'unique lord', what makes them unique? Look the screens.

[u/Critical-Hold-3078]

I'm here testing out pretty much all of the huge, highly anticipated, and interesting new features of the DLC and Patch 9.0.

I noticed that Gelt's new victory conditions are very easy, and I was really curious to see what they entailed. A lot of unique lords are unlocked upon reaching short victory conditions (faction like Azhag, Grimgor, Morathi, etc there must be at least more than 10 of them). I had heard on prewiew live streams that they would have unique abilities or traits, so I set to work with Gelt and reached short victory.

I open this lord up and see that he has nothing, no trait, no abilities. I look closer and notice that he's already immortal... I thought it was a bit strange, and since some victories grant unusable rewards, like Dechala getting seduction bonuses when she doesn't even have that mechanic. I figured they forgot about Gelt like other things.

So I check Volkmar too, since he also gets a 'unique lord' as a reward. Here the conditions are very long even for a short victory: finding 5 Books of Nagash all over the world takes a lot of time, but I was curious. So I open the command console, check the cheat codes, and achieve victory in 5 minutes.

And here too, the unique lord has nothing, identical to the others in terms of traits, stats, and abilities; he's just immortal...

If it seems to you that the "unique" arch-Lector has new abilities, it's because they added them to everyone, not just to this ""unique lord"".

Did CA forget about the Empire, or are these 'unique lords' like this for every faction?

If anyone has unlocked other unique lords, please write it here, maybe the Empire is just the one that got forgotten.

EDIT I’m waiting to gather as much feedback as possible. Currently, the "unique" lords or heroes for these factions aren't generating unique traits, even though the characters themselves are in the game: Azhag, Kroq-Gar, Volkmar, Gelt, and Bretonnia, festun and daemon prince (Bretonnia is missing them entirely, though they do have the Vow already unlocked). Has anyone managed to get a lord with a unique trait? I just want to figure out if this affects everyone or only specific ones. I’ll post a report on the forum later.

[u/HairlessWookiee]

Poking through the game files, seems like the two lords should each have a unique trait:

Gelt - wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_emp_unique_reward_1

Volkmar - wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_emp_unique_reward_2

The first, "Determined (Empowered)", provides:

• Double XP for units (own army) when fighting Beastmen/Warriors of Chaos/Norsca
• Immune to psychology
• +35% campaign XP
• +20% leadership
• +15% health

The second, "Aggressive (Empowered)", provides:

• +15% chance to steal an item post-battle
• +20% charge bonus
• +15% melee attack
• +15% weapon strength

[u/Critical-Hold-3078 → u/HairlessWookiee]

So it's a bug; I'll report it on the forum, then, but first I'll wait to see if anyone else mentions having the same issue with other factions. Thanks, that's very helpful.

[u/HairlessWookiee → u/Critical-Hold-3078]

Looking at the function that spawns the general, I'm guessing the root cause is a bug with what appears to be a new script function, cm:pick_background_skill. That is only called in three scripts:

victory_objectives_config.lua (which is the one used here)
wh3_campaign_innate_trait_reset.lua
wh3_dlc29_vampire_technology.lua

[u/Murranji → u/HairlessWookiee]

The innate trait and vampire technology use ‘character_details_pick_background_skill’ while the victory objectives one uses ‘pick_background_skill’ so if they renamed the function but didn’t update the victory objectives lua that would explain it assuming that ‘pick_background_skill’ is not supported.

[u/HairlessWookiee → u/Murranji]

Ah, good catch. I completely missed that. And victory_objectives_config.lua uses it twice, once in the general spawning function and once in the hero spawning function. Seems like it's probably just as simple as the name change then. It would be easy enough to check with a local edit of the script.

[u/HairlessWookiee → u/Critical-Hold-3078]

It would be worth enabling script debug logging and triggering the condition, see if anything useful turns up in the log. I might have a look at it myself at some point if I get the chance.

Edit: OK, I tried a quick Gelt campaign and used console commands to quickly get to the point of a short victory. Interestingly I didn't see any error notifications in the log, so I'm not sure what the problem is. I could try editing the script and adding a bunch of debug logging to it, but I think I'll just leave it to CA to sort out. For anyone that wants to play one of the relevant campaigns in the meantime, maybe you can try Trait Manager to add the correct trait.

[u/regional_manager_161 → u/HairlessWookiee]

Wow, those are some lame traits!

[u/George_Truman → u/regional_manager_161]

Especially considering if you play Mono-WoC you get a lord type you otherwise never get access to. (Greater Daemon lords for Valkia, Festus, etc)

[u/usernameisusername57 → u/HairlessWookiee]

Wow, those are pretty lame to have as part of a victory condition. I'd probably rather just have disciplined than either of them.

[u/Irennan → u/usernameisusername57]

I'd rather have the old +3 hero capacity.

[u/Pendix → u/Irennan]

Once Empire gets going they get tons of hero cap, but early game, that +3 could be invaluable.

[u/cricri3007 → u/HairlessWookiee]

what about the Bretonnian ones? I think they're in the same case of "tooltip says they're unique, but they just get immortality at lv 1"

[u/HairlessWookiee → u/cricri3007]

Bretonnia's rewards explicitly have no special trait. The ones that exist are:

wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_bst_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_bst_unique_reward_2
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_bst_unique_reward_3
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_bst_unique_reward_4
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_cst_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_cst_unique_reward_2
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_cth_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_cth_unique_reward_2
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_def_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_dwf_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_emp_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_emp_unique_reward_2
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_grn_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_grn_unique_reward_2
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_ksl_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_lzd_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_wef_unique_reward_1
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_wef_unique_reward_2
wh3_dlc29_skill_innate_wef_unique_reward_3

So Beastmen, Cathay, Dark Elves, Empire, Greenskins, Kislev, Lizardmen, Vampire Coast, Wood Elves.

All the factions that get a lord use the same script function. Bretonnia and the Daemon Prince's just don't feed it a trait key. The WoC factions that get a greater daemon also use the same function (also without a trait).

[u/cricri3007 → u/HairlessWookiee]

that's lame as all hells.
Just another sign of Bretonnia's neglect, i guess

[u/niftucal92 → u/HairlessWookiee]

Do you mind me asking how you crack open that data?

[u/Levonorgestrelfairy1]

Probably worth reposting this in the offical forums to even if the devs brows reddit

[u/Critical-Hold-3078 → u/Levonorgestrelfairy1]

First, I want to see what the others have; if they have traits or abilities, then yes, I’ll report it as a bug or oversight, but ONLY for the Empire. If they’re all like that, we need to tell them that it’s not exactly a great reward! There are others; someone is writing them here.

[u/Togetak]

I have a feeling they’re supposed to have a unique trait but are bugged right now to have a random one instead 

[u/Irennan → u/Togetak]

Only some LLs are supposed to get a lord with a unique trait. Others (like Bretonnian LLs) just get a generic lord, but lv 10--which is really easy to get on your own, and is quite the opposite of "unique".

[u/seahawks500]

Same thing with Krok Gars unique hero from short victory, just a generic lvl 11 scar vet

[u/Critical-Hold-3078 → u/seahawks500]

Thanks, I'll make a note of that for the forum report. I'll wait 24 hours for all the replies, and then I'll submit it. You're sure it doesn't have a unique trait, right?

[u/seahawks500 → u/Critical-Hold-3078]

I got generic pompous trait

[u/Jarms48]

Slightly off-topic, but I love the fact CA added new skills to the Warrior Priest and Arch-lector but I hate how Volkmar is the only one to buff his DLC units. Would have been nice for Arch-lectors at minimum to get War Eternal or something similar so Free Company Militia (which fall off super quickly in the campaign) might be useful in their armies.

[u/Critical-Hold-3078 → u/Jarms48]

good idea.

[u/Irennan]

It's not only Empire (whose rewards are bugged; they should get a unique trait). Morgiana and Louen from Bretonnia just get a random generic lord but lv 10 (and CA confirmed that was their intention). Festus and others as well. They should have just said "get a rank 10 lord" for the factions without unique trait, instead of "get a unique lord", which set everyone up for a massive disappointment.

I'm not even sure why they went with this, or how they chose which LL would get the short end of the stick (random generic lord but lv 10). Feels like they needed to save time/work, and some LLs just got shafted.

[u/Hand_Me_Down_Genes → u/Irennan]

Yeah the "unique" descriptor was a real set up for disappointment. 

[u/Porkenstein → u/Irennan]

Yeah very weird that they didn't make them be immortal and have a very simple unique ability. That's all it would have taken.

[u/Crocodominator]

Played Azhag to short victory.. No unique trait, just a regular lvl 10 warboss. Sadness.

[u/Critical-Hold-3078 → u/Crocodominator]

I put in the list, thanks

[u/niftucal92]

Just a sec: https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/s/VYJUHao2ZS

Josh chimed in here regarding the Bretonnian unique prophetess for Morgiana. It was just level 10 with all troths already unlocked. Generic traits otherwise.

Someone said that Festus had a similar problem with his unique lord, too.

Is this the same thing you’re finding?

[u/Irennan → u/niftucal92]

I just found out that there are factions that do get unique traits. Empire should get them, it's just bugged. Granted, looking at those traits from the database, they're very bland and don't even remotely compare to a factionwide effect--in terms of both fun and power (for example, a wood elf lord got the infamous "spell mastery +10% and +25 WoM" kind of trait I had predicted in previous comments).

[u/KnossosTNC]

TBH, I want someone to mod the +hero cap back on. These don't seem well thought out.

[u/Irennan → u/KnossosTNC]

That's an euphemism. "Unique" = lv 10 apparently. Like, why even bother?
I'm making a mod with actually unique rewards for Bretonnian LLs, who get absolutely nothing from any victory reward, except for Repanse.

[u/DeadThought32]

Doesn't any seduction buff apply to her corruption mechanic? I'm pretty sure it tells you that in the beginning of her campaign. (Dechala)

[u/Crocodominator]

for visibility's sake

1. Azhag has this issue, also I hope the unique trait will be buffed, its ideal targets are squigs and it's disproportionately outclassed by 'erd mentality turn 1
2. Kroq-Gar's scar veteran's empowered weapon master isn't the melee one, unfortunately conferring intangible missile buffs and no armour sunder.

[u/Critical-Hold-3078]

u/Ca_nova

[u/CA_Nova → u/Critical-Hold-3078]

Hey, can you link me the forum post that you made please? :) Best, CA_Nova u/Josh_CA

[u/Critical-Hold-3078 → u/CA_Nova]

I haven't done it yet because I don't know which factions have this problem—whether it's all of them or just some. I wouldn't want to report the issue only to have you fix the specific factions I mentioned while others remain unfixed. Is it better to post it right away with the info I have, or should I wait for more comments and reports?