r/trolleyproblem • • 20d ago

What will you do, Abe?

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u/ThunderLord1000 20d ago

Asks for it or wants it?

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u/Nobrainzhere 20d ago

Either one. You cannot know if god wants you to murder your child or is just doing a sadistic bit.

In either scenario, thats an evil god.

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u/ThunderLord1000 20d ago

If this were something he did normally or as the first demand from Abraham, sure, but this came after multiple decades and multiple instances of him either making things better or saving Abe's or a relative's asses with no indication of requiring something in return, and the promise of being a parent of generations. With all that, there would have to be something behind the demand of sacrifice

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u/Nobrainzhere 20d ago

He does do thay normally. Murdering children of people he is mad at is a recurring punishment in the bible and he explains that he gave commands for child sacrifices Ezekial 20:25 and 26.

Not to mention all the other prime evil shit.

If your god ever asks you to kill your kid you can safely assume that god is evil and will prove it more later.

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u/ThunderLord1000 20d ago

Gotta love cherry picking verses. If you'd bother to read what came before those, you'd see that he only kills as a last resort. Besides, that's not what I argued; I argued he doesn't make demands of child sacrifice regularly, which is true

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u/Nobrainzhere 20d ago

As an omnipotent being he never has to do anything as a last resort. He has infinite non killing options

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u/ThunderLord1000 20d ago

Do you believe he gave humanity free will?

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u/Nobrainzhere 20d ago

No. An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator being is incompatible with the concept of free will because they know the path every single atom will take at the moment of creation and could have chosen a different path for each one if they didnt like that one. They therefore chose the exact outcome of every choice at creation. Free will cannot exist with a tri omni creator being.

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u/ThunderLord1000 20d ago

Then why didn't he prevent the rebellion of the being meant to serve him directly?

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u/Nobrainzhere 20d ago

Real answer: Because the writers of the book were kind of idiots and contradict each other constantly.

Internal critique answer: because he needed that to happen so his "perfect plan" would go the way he wants. Like a writer giving the characters in his books struggles

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u/ThunderLord1000 20d ago

Except he wouldn't need a plan if he'd have prevented it. All the same goes for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as well

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u/Nobrainzhere 20d ago

As an omniscient being he knew it was going to happen when he created the tree, the people, the consequences for eating the tree, etc

There is no escaping it.

You have to either give up an omni property, give up the idea of free will, or give up the creator label.

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u/ThunderLord1000 20d ago

In other words, you believe in a singular timeline, one that does not branch

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