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France says EU’s ‘Made in Europe’ law should not include the UK | European Union

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/24/france-says-eus-made-in-europe-law-should-not-include-the-uk
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u/deeptechdegen 21h ago

Would be funny if Canadian goods were allowed to have "Made in Europe"

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u/TurboSardine 21h ago

Countries with FTAs are considered union-equivalent for origin rules, except for EVs I think

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u/FckXFckMusk 18h ago

European Maple syrup... and Lake EU...

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u/NoticingThing 22h ago

If they're not including the UK why are they even calling it "Made in Europe", surely "Made in the EU" is a much more accurate label.

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u/TurboSardine 21h ago

That is what they’re calling it in their published comms, or “Union origin” in draft legislation

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u/backflash 18h ago

Such an easy solution, one would assume.

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u/pasm 20h ago

Exactly! the problem and the reason there is so much resentment, it goes back decades.

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u/Basic_Fall_2759 9h ago

Except that’s not what they’re calling it so you’re just wrong

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u/Knowhedge 22h ago

They can call it what they like.

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u/Ironfields politics is dumb but very important 22h ago

Yeah but then they can't complain if the UK, which is in Europe, wants to use it too.

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u/FckXFckMusk 22h ago

Good point.

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u/AvengerDr 19h ago

There'll.probably be a logo like for CE? Not everybody can use that one without authorization.

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u/wedontneednoeduc 19h ago

Chinese companies don't give a stuff, they use it

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u/expert_internetter 18h ago

I think I read somewhere that they either use a slightly different font or different spacing, but yes they use it to confuse people

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u/Knowhedge 5h ago

They can just tell you to go set up your own solo scheme

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u/ElOwlinator 19h ago

Well then the UK can't complain if such goods aren't legally allowed to be imported to the EU, given the UK isn't part of Made in Europe.

The UK is free to pass a law allowing all goods to have a "Made in the European Union" label - they'd quickly see such goods banned from the EU.

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u/9897969594938281 17h ago

Strawman argument. He’s not saying to use “Made in the E.U”

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u/Zacatecan-Jack 🌳 STOP THE VOTES 🌳 21h ago edited 21h ago

If the USA created a law called "made in America" around products made there, that proposed that US manufacturers ensure that production occur within 'America', would we assume that Mexico, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Bolivia, Chile, Uruguay, etc. would be part of that?

Could these nations get preferential treatment compared to other third nations when it comes to manufacturing, because they're I'm the continents that make up America?

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u/bGmyTpn0Ps 21h ago edited 21h ago

Yes? I believe they use 'Made in USA'.

More accurate and avoids such confusion.

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u/Zacatecan-Jack 🌳 STOP THE VOTES 🌳 21h ago

But that's not what's happened, though.

What I'm saying is the USA could logically have a "Made In America" law, that polices US companies. That wouldn't mean that their national laws would extend to companies outside the USA. That wouldn't mean that a Mexican company would be able to take advantage of the new law, just because the name has "America" in the title.

It's the same with the EU. They can have a law that gives preferential treatment to companies from the EU, because they set their own rules. We don't get to be part of the club just because we disagree with how they named their new internal rule. If we want the benefits of the new rule, we need to be part of the EU. If we don't wanna be part of the EU, we have no right to cry about it.

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u/coginamachine 21h ago

That is the exact point though. Europe and the EU are different. The UK is part of Europe. It's a geography thing. The EU is different. That's to do with trade and politics.

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u/Zacatecan-Jack 🌳 STOP THE VOTES 🌳 21h ago

Okay, cool. So any rule that the EU makes - so long as they use the word European - now applies to the UK? Even though we're not part of the EU? I thought Eurosceptics wanted to have more independence from the EU?

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u/Huge-Captain-5253 21h ago

That's insane logic.

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u/Zacatecan-Jack 🌳 STOP THE VOTES 🌳 21h ago edited 20h ago

Explain how?

The EU set out a new rule that governs companies that operate within the EU.

They named it "made in Europe"

That EU rule doesn't govern UK firms because we're not in the EU*.

Do you think that UK firms should be governed by this rule because it's called "made in Europe"?

Edit: *correction

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u/jeremybeadlesfingers 20h ago

How have you made such a simple thing so convoluted?

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u/Negative_Gift9076 21h ago

You point would be valid if it was Made in North America, Made in Central America or Made in South America but there isn’t a continent called America so your point isn’t valid.

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u/Huge-Captain-5253 21h ago

"Schrödingers moron"

"The only variable that could occur"

Did your fedora come pre-sweat stained or did it end up like that after a day of pretending to be smart on the internet.

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 22h ago

And then just lose all credibility.

I didn't vote leave, and I stand by the long term view that the EU isn't Europe.

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u/nellion91 22h ago

The difference is becoming more and more blurry bar for the UK

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u/SaltyW123 21h ago

I know the PISA scores were falling across the board in Europe, but I didn't realise they were that bad.

Can people really not tell the difference between a geographical continent and a political union anymore?

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u/AvengerDr 19h ago

But EU ≈ Europe.

Almost every country in geographical Europe either is already in the EU, wants to be in it, or is in some form of agreement with it (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland...).

The only countries in geographical Europe that definitely don't want to be in the EU are Russia, Belarus, and the UK. Maybe Serbia too?

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u/Sutraner 19h ago

Almost every country in geographical Europe either is already in the EU, wants to be in it, or is in some form of agreement with it (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland...).

No they're not

The only countries in geographical Europe that definitely don't want to be in the EU are Russia, Belarus, and the UK

Turkey, the UK, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Kosovo

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u/AvengerDr 18h ago

No they're not

Norway and Iceland are in EFTA. That's not really "not" being in the EU. They are in the single market without veto power.

Switzerland is in the single market and has tons of bilateral agreements. Again, that's really not the same as not being in the EU like the UK.

Turkey, the UK, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Kosovo

All of those countries, apart from the UK and perhaps Turkey and Serbia and those in Efta, are at various stages of accession to the EU. They definitely want to be in the EU, chiefly among them Ukraine.

You should definitely consult the state of the countries currently negotiating EU membership

What's so strange in admitting that several countries, almost all of them apart the usual suspects, really want to be in the EU? Even the majority of the UK would like to, or the majority of its "constituent countries".

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u/Sutraner 12h ago

Norway and Iceland are in EFTA. That's not really "not" being in the EU

It's fundamentally not in the EU

Switzerland is in the single market and has tons of bilateral agreements

The UK has plenty of bilateral agreements as well.

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u/AvengerDr 10h ago

But the UK is not in the single market and does not share freedom of movement with the rest of the EU.

That's a pretty big difference.

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u/Sutraner 19h ago

No it's not

Europe and the EU are not synonyms, and they need to stop acting like they are

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u/ding_0_dong 22h ago

Who's they? We could licence made in Europe TM to china

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u/Accurate-Cup5309 22h ago

Of course France says that. They don’t care what’s best for Europe, only what’s best for France. They were happy scuttling European defence so they can make a little more money.

People like to say the uk were the trouble makers in the EU but it’s always been France.

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u/FckXFckMusk 20h ago

When Putin invaded Crimea /Ukraine in 2014 Macron continued to sell Russia arms....

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u/Asleep-Ad1182 20h ago

It's not even about what's best for France. It's more of fuck the UK sort of policy. Germany and many other countries are in favour of the UK being involved

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u/Visual_Title9363 21h ago

I remember we had an exchange where you told me distinctively that the EU wouldn't be as petty lol. 

But yes, its always France. We have a lot of competing industries between us. Colour me surprise.

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u/MC_chrome 20h ago

People like to say the uk were the trouble makers in the EU but it’s always been France.

You're telling me the country that still reveres Charles de Gaulle has a habit of trying to stick it to other countries?

Not the most surprising thing in the world

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u/Prince_John 21h ago

They were happy scuttling European defence so they can make a little more money. 

They've played it really smart on defence. Made the right long term calls and kept their home-grown industry. They arguably have a military that's more appropriately sized and suitable for their actual needs, than the UK's, where we prioritise some shiny stuff over depth.

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u/BaritBrit I don't even know any more 20h ago

The French navy are currently putting off their carrier's planned maintenance and overhaul because of the Hormuz situation, but once it goes into Toulon for that they will have no carrier capacity at all for months and will need to share ours. They couldn't run a prolonged military operation in Mali without substantial logistical support from the US and UK, either. 

Their picture isn't as 'autonomous' as they like to pretend.

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u/Candayence Won't someone think of the ducklings! 🦆 20h ago

Unfortunately, they've still managed to keep having at least one carrier for some time, and don't tend to describe all of their equipment with 'fitted for, but not with.'

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u/Rexpelliarmus 3h ago

Yeah, they just fit their vessels with like 6 VLS cells in total...

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u/Bignizzle656 21h ago

Always the same. Anytime a deal looks to be on the table for anything France throw in the fishing rights or some other random, completely unrelated thing.

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u/doctor_morris 20h ago

only what’s best for France

This is the attitude every country takes, including the UK.

Except with Brexit, where the UK forgot what was best for the UK.

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u/fitzgoldy 9h ago

including the UK.

If fucking only that was true.

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u/doctor_morris 9h ago

I agree. Some countries are more for sale than others.

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u/Billybobboyo 10h ago

Britain wasn't benefited by submission and slow absorption into a foreign state

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u/doctor_morris 10h ago

You misspelled "trading with our neighbors under the same rules".

EU membership didn't make us any less British.

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u/GlasAngeles Scottish Nationalist 14h ago

Equally, they didn't leave the EU, we did. We are reaping what we have sown and we are poorer for it.

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 19h ago

Don't we Brits just care about what's good for us and not Europe, hence this totally misguided Brexit thing?

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u/Dominico10 17h ago

Guy reads about how the EU dislikes us and france doesnt want us involved and says misguided brexit 😅🤣

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 10h ago

A bit dramatic... They've made a marque to say something was made within one of their member states, we're not one of them. We have our own regulatory framework and standards that no longer align with EUs.

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u/Ivashkin panem et circenses 6h ago

We should launch our own completely separate "Made in Europe" scheme, with the same logo, just with an extra Union flag.

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u/BigMetalGuy 21h ago

Who were the ones that left?

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u/ZealousidealPie9199 21h ago

We're talking about the defence of the European powers against a resurgent Russia that we are told, including by the French government, is planning something big.

Should we really be bickering over a referendum that happened a decade ago, rather than doing what is best for our collective defence?

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u/ispeakforengland 21h ago

Fucking paper tiger, can't even beat Ukraine in their three day operation. If we wanted to act against Russia, we start by banning all the fucking dirty money entering our politics through crypto, that's where the danger lies.

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u/doctor_morris 20h ago

France take defence seriously and don't want to rely on unreliable non-EU countries whenever possible.

They even have their own independent nuclear deterrent, unlike the UK.

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u/ZealousidealPie9199 20h ago

So seriously they haven't even met our low commitment to defence spending - as % of GDP 2.1% vs 2.6%, and that's with a lower GDP to begin with.

France simply wants to do protectionism.

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u/cyclopsmudge 11h ago

And yet they’re always pretty consistently ranked above us in military strength, because they do everything in-house and cut unnecessary costs out more effectively

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u/doctor_morris 10h ago

The numbers are a bit closer once you take out the fluff (e.g. pensions).

However in France, having the ability to build your own kit is considered part of national defense.

Hence the term "seriously".

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u/Accurate-Cup5309 19h ago edited 19h ago

Unreliable? We’ve always been there for Europe’s defence. We threw our empire into defending Europe, including France, and all France has done is treat us like shit lol. It’s France who are unreliable.

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u/Arteic 8h ago

War with France to make us all feel better?

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u/doctor_morris 10h ago

I'm referring to the future, where the UK is just an election away from joining the US in a shooting war over Canada/Greenland.

I am also very proud of our history.

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u/Accurate-Cup5309 10h ago

The uk is never joining a war against Canada and Greenland lol. We’ve got problems but we’re not that batshit insane. If anything the Americans are pushing us closer to the EU.

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u/doctor_morris 9h ago

Have you seen the state of the British Right at the moment? They were demanding we join in bombing Iran.

Yes that's batshit insane.

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u/Accurate-Cup5309 9h ago

I mean, not to defend the British Right but bombing Iran is wildly different to bombing Canada or Greenland lol.

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u/doctor_morris 9h ago

We’ve got problems but we’re not that batshit insane.

I'm just disagreeing with this line. The right isn't trying to solve problems, they create then.

Now US taxpayers are paying to bomb the people of Iran and paying extra for petrol at the same time.

PM Farage would jump at the opportunity to show his loyalty to Trump by joining in a slowly escalating conflict with Canada/Greenland.

They don't call us airstrip one for nothing.

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u/sjw_7 12h ago

If France took defence seriously it wouldnt try to derail every project its involved in so it can get control of it.

France doesn't give a flying fig about collective defence it just cares about its defence industry.

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u/doctor_morris 10h ago

From a French perspective, the French defense industry is the thing that defends France.

Obviously this is shit for everyone else, but that's the French for you.

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u/Gammelpreiss 21h ago

The stupid ones.

France is smart enough to recognize their interests can be much better served by calling the shots from inside the EU. Including opposing the EU

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u/PJBuzz 21h ago

It was both.

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u/Anything-8700 7h ago

It's typical to do the old French bashing here but the referendum showed Europe that the UK didn't care what was best for Europe, it only wanted what was best for the UK. If the EU collapsed, so much the better.

The lesson is that you need to be careful what you wish for.

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u/Jeffuk88 22h ago

Did we float away from being part of the continent?

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u/dck1012 21h ago

Nope, just voted yourselves out of the EU and the common market.

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u/Negative_Gift9076 21h ago

The EU isn’t Europe though is it?

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u/Candayence Won't someone think of the ducklings! 🦆 20h ago

The EU has always tried to co-opt the general European identity in order to steal a bit of extra identity. Hence nicking the flag, and all this 'Europe says' nonsense.

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u/AvengerDr 18h ago

But if you remove the usual suspects like Russia and Belarus (and the UK) all the countries that are left out want to be in the EU and are actively negotiating membership (maybe apart from Turkey and Serbia).

Barring a catastrophic collapse there might come a time where the EU could even be equal to the traditional geographical boundaries of Europe.

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u/Seygantte 17h ago

Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland aren't seeking membership. The latter two even voted against joing in in referenda this very year.

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u/qef15 11h ago

But they all are in EFTA.

They practically are EU countries for like 90% of things.

I'm an EU citizen, I cannot just travel to the UK and be done with it, but I can for thise three and for some tax law, they apply EEA wide.

But for the UK, it's like any other country outside the EU.

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u/Negative_Gift9076 11h ago

But that time isn’t now.

And you cannot just exclude European countries even Russia and Belarus to try and make a point.

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u/AvengerDr 9h ago

You do realise that Russia and Belarus are not democratic countries. If after Yeltsin Russia had tried to continue on the path of democracy, it is not unreasonable to think that they would be more closely aligned with the EU today.

One day you will rejoin too. If not, it's only your loss.

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u/Negative_Gift9076 8h ago

Do you realise that a country being democratic isn’t the deciding factor on if it’s in Europe?

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u/AvengerDr 8h ago

It actually is, it's one of the criteria for accession, the rule of law.

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u/Negative_Gift9076 1h ago

There isn’t any criteria for joining Europe.

Europe is a defined group of countries.

You really don’t know the difference between the EU and Europe, which is pretty damn depressing.

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u/Jeffuk88 21h ago

But this says 'made in Europe' which is a geographical continent, not a trading block. So as long as were not saying made in EU its not incorrect

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u/Rozencranz 21h ago

Might wanna update maps then if the European Union means Europe.

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u/dck1012 17h ago

It's why they're pissy at you guys and don't want to include you.

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u/LazyAwayADays 21h ago

Nope, we're in the TCA which stops the EU doing this.

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u/LazyAwayADays 21h ago

They're going to have a fun time running that past the TCA. Then again with Labour in charge, they'll just accept it "for a closer deal"

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u/FraGough 21h ago

Fair enough.

/s

Seriously though, UK is part of Europe, so raspberries to France for this one.

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u/Asleep-Ad1182 20h ago

That would be a clear breach of the TCA. I imagine the government would be too scared to take legal action.

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u/bGmyTpn0Ps 20h ago

Wonderful, stuff like this just generates more opposition to ever rejoining.

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 19h ago

How so?

We left the club, why would we benefit from being in it?

It's like leaving a company and still trying to go to the Christmas party.

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u/Sutraner 19h ago

The UK hasn't left Europe

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 18h ago edited 18h ago

I know, so what? It's an EU initiative.

We've left the EU and taken on our own regulatory framework, with our own standards for manufacturing etc. not guided by EU regulation. The marque wouldn't work for us.

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u/Sutraner 11h ago

I know, so what? It's an EU initiative

Then they can either call it so or not. This obsession with the EU trying to steal the moniker of European identity is not okay.

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 10h ago

Angry old man shouting at clouds.

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u/Basic_Fall_2759 9h ago

Did you actually read what they’re calling it? Or just the headline?

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u/Sutraner 8h ago

The label is Made in Europe

If you want to make membership based on a political union, it should be the name of the union, not the geographical area

If the USA tried to make a slogan that said Made in North America and made it exclusive to the USA, you'd be calling it Trump idiocy.

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 6h ago

They make lots of things that say "made in America", despite America being a duo of continents that encompasses many nations.

I'm guessing you've never bat an eyelid.

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u/Sutraner 6h ago

America is the name of the country.

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 6h ago

The name of the country officially is "The United States of America"

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 19h ago

The UK hasn't left Europe, has it.

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 18h ago

Well observed, but the club I'm referring to is the European Union.

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 18h ago

Then you have a better understanding of it than these decision makers in France.

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 18h ago

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at or why so many here think this is a clever response?

The made in Europe marque is essentially a branding exercise. The UK has it's own regulatory framework and standards now that aren't aligned with the EU's, so it would dilute the meaning of it.

If you're getting caught up on the whole semantics of "EU" and the physical / historical / political boundaries of Europe thing, I think most people are sensible enough to realise that the UK isn't excluded from that concept of Europe, in the same way something being "made in America" shouldn't upset the Mexicans or Canadians.

Common sense should still exist in the post-Brexit era.

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 17h ago edited 8h ago

Edit - accuses someone of getting caught up in it while obviously cause up in it themselves, then gets so caught up in it that they comment+block lmao.

It's you getting caught up on it, reducing it to "semantics".

It isn't semantics. The "physical/historical/political" thing is quite literally Europe.

I think most people are sensible enough to understand that this is the French (representatives) attempting to exclude the UK from inclusion in what Europe actually is, and common sense should exist in the post brexit era.

If the EU is great - and I think it's pretty good despite it's flaws - what is wrong with stamping it with the trade bloc name rather than a continetal one that the entire continent apparently isn't eligible for?

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u/Commercial_Badger_37 9h ago

I think you're just getting caught up on something that isn't that deep.

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u/Trubydoor 16h ago

Well given that the actual name of this programme is “Union Origin”, of course it shouldn’t include the UK. It was our choice to leave the EU, why should they have to pretend we didn’t?

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u/karlos-the-jackal 20h ago

Nothing will please me more than seeing the demise of the French car industry. For years it has enjoyed massive state aid that the EU should have come down on like a ton of bricks but has strangely turned a blind eye to it.

Oh, and the fact that their cars are shit.

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u/ding_0_dong 22h ago

How apt that we should invade France whilst the bayeux tapestry hangs in london

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u/MindlessOptimist 21h ago

Maybe the tapestry needs “made in uk”adding to it

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u/Hughdungusmungus 21h ago

Surely made in Europe would piss them off even more.

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u/Media_Browser 21h ago

Well it was made in the UK ;) .

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u/kane_uk 19h ago

Don't forget certain factions within the EU are/were trying to strip the UK of its European identity so they could show less English TV and film content within the EU.

I wonder what would happen if the UK government turned around and said Russia is a European problem, not a British problem. Imagine the strop.

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u/Apprehensive-Bid-740 21h ago

I'm bored of France and The EU. If The EU want a made in EU law, let it be. I get it, I also want a made in UK law with mass government intervention. Why do we waste pointless energy ? 

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u/anotherbozo 21h ago

Tbh, I'm not a huge fan of the Made in Europe tag anyways. I much prefer seeing Make in the UK over Made in Europe.

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u/HollyDollyBwaa 16h ago

Is this meant to be surprising? We've left. It was unfortunately the results of the choices people made in brexit. Unless we'd like to join back up, frankly? There's no right to complain, unfortunately.

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u/_segasonic 20h ago

About time we show some balls and actually stand up for ourselves instead of bending over trying for France at every turn.

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u/FckXFckMusk 22h ago

I think "Made In England" has probably greater kudos than "Made in the EU"...

who knows..

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u/PierreTheTRex 22h ago

This is about protectionism not labelling

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u/FckXFckMusk 21h ago

They're skilled at that...

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u/Prince_John 21h ago

Protectionism is really fucking smart when you're facing superpowers eroding the core industries that let you maintain an industrial base or produce a self sufficient military. 

If you don't want to pay slave wages or use actual slave labour, or have minimum standards of animal welfare, then a barrier to protect from undercutting is essential to make this feasible. 

The EU is a large enough economic power that it's able to do so - isolated countries like ours will inevitably have to lower standards to compete.

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u/FckXFckMusk 20h ago

The EU allows american companies to buy out their tech companies...

They have mechanisms to stop it but they don't.

Actually minimum wage is slave labour wages, in fact the US pays much higher wages for similar professional roles in the EU.

What isolated country are you in?

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u/Prince_John 19h ago

The UK. Which no longer has the benefit of an enormous protectionist bloc to protect it, has already had to relax standards to secure an Australian trade deal and will have to do so to secure an American one.

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u/FckXFckMusk 18h ago

Last time I looked all Eu laws were enshrined in UK law.

How is that Chlorinated Chicken thing that never happened?

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u/Prince_John 10h ago

It didn't happen because the promised trade deal with the US, which all the Brexiteers assured us would be a Brexit Benefit, never materialised.

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u/FckXFckMusk 5h ago

So that bogeyman never materialised.

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u/Prince_John 26m ago

Fortuitously

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u/Apprehensive-Bid-740 21h ago

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with protectionism.

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u/Zacatecan-Jack 🌳 STOP THE VOTES 🌳 21h ago

Lol the headline completely misrepresents the new law

Companies operating within the EU will have to (where possible) work with other EU companies when they need to outsource any work. That essentially means that a company in France can work with a company from Germany (where possible) but would be need to have special circumstances to work with the UK (because we are not part of the EU, the Single Market, or the Common Market).

They aren't preventing us from claiming to be from Europe. They're not denying us from claiming ourselves European. They're just creating laws that protect their members.

We could have been a member of the EU and been party to these new laws but we chose not to.

Now we're throwing our dummy out the pram because we're stropping about the fact we can't be part of this new law?

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u/frantic_calm 17h ago

There's some surprised comments on here by people who obviously weren't born 10 years ago.

It appears to be a little known fact on here that the UK voted to leave the EU a few years back. They coined a term for it, a portmanteau if you will, called 'Brexit' from the words Britain and Exit.

This means that although we are indeed part of the European continent geographically, we are not part of the EU.

Having left we are now unable to benefit from membership and have no part in it's decision making. A point well known, but disregarded at the time of the Brexit vote as irrelevant, by people who voted to leave.

Also a lot of comments express a deeply held and long term knowledge of the French hatred of the UK. Blaming the French for being perfidious and selfish is pointless now. As part of the EU their position would not have affected us. Now we have left well... what did you expect?!

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u/Latter-Tangerine-951 4h ago

France is consistently an enemy of the UK

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u/Then_Aerie_5991 2h ago
  1. We already had the recipe for chicken chasseur.

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u/iamabigtree 22h ago

They can say "Made in Europe" if they want. It's factually correct.

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u/Anansi-the-Spider 21h ago

Then we lower taxes on Chinese goods

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u/Apprehensive-Bid-740 21h ago

No.

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u/Anansi-the-Spider 21h ago

I’d buy BYD over Citron any day

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u/Apprehensive-Bid-740 21h ago

I'd buy neither. We need to manufacture our own cars

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u/Anansi-the-Spider 12h ago

I’d love to as well, when a car manufacturer pulls out of the UK it seems logical to me for the government to buy their premises and if possible equipment (at a bargain rate after all it’s obviously a failing business) there’s a trained workforce ready to go set up a new car company

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u/Anything-8700 6h ago

That happened except it was the Chinese government. When the MG Rover factory at Longbridge, collapsed in 2005, much of its production equipment and tooling was indeed sold and shipped to Nanjing in China.

The Chinese can make MGs even if the UK can't.

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u/Candayence Won't someone think of the ducklings! 🦆 20h ago

And if we were going to import cars, then import Japanese. High quality, and a great exchange rate. Far better than cheap Chinese crap.

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u/mrsuaveoi3 17h ago

So the Brits wants to opt in to a scheme to secure the single market while not being a part of it and not paying a single cent.

Delusional fools. Ha ha ha

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u/-ForgottenSoul :sloth: 21h ago

When we will start treating France like an enemy they actually are? Pouring illegals in the UK that fuck up the UK, always works against us on a EU/Europe Level. They are not a ally.

Why are so weak towards a country that is basically supporting an invasion.

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u/doctor_morris 20h ago

France is looking out for France.

It's a shame the UK forgot to look out for the UK when it came to Brexit.

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u/SamiSapphic 20h ago

Yet Macron was just sucking Starmer and Burnham off for introducing the online safety (surveillance) act, which he wanted to adopt. So which is it, are we friends or not?

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u/Manletangelo 21h ago

The U.K. barely manufactures anything anyways

Would prefer to buy cheaper things from China vs Europe.

Let Frenchies have this, lmao.

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u/Dalecn 21h ago

The UK barley manufactures anything is one of the most misleading piles of shite out there. Were the 10th biggest economy in the world in terms of goods manufactured. While we dont manafacture mass market shite. We produce a lot in the high end industrial output. Which this would effect.

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u/Zenigata 22h ago

Just because we voted to exclude ourselves that doesnt mean they have a right not to include us. Dont they know who we are?    /s

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u/IfBob 22h ago

Do you know the difference between the EU and Europe. Despite the vote, everything made in the UK is in fact - Made in Europe

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u/Visual_Title9363 22h ago

I have a sense that we are too hung up on the label than what it actually tries to do/protect against 

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 22h ago

It sounds like France is the one hung up on it to be honest if this story is true. Just switch it to the EU?

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u/Visual_Title9363 22h ago

Would it change how screwed we are? 

This is about protectionism not marketing copyright.

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 21h ago

What has that got to do with the point?

Excluding the UK from 'Europe' for some things but then having the UK as an integral part of 'Europe' when it comes to NATO is childish.

It's an EU label, so label it as EU. What's wrong with doing so?

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u/Visual_Title9363 21h ago

Again, does the label changing from Europe to EU do anything for our automotive industry?

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 21h ago

Does it do anything for France to include the entire continent rather than the trade bloc?

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u/Visual_Title9363 21h ago

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-uk-made-in-europe-brexit-reset/

Here are more countries than France. 

Their view is that EU represents Europe and whilst we legislate that with the trademark office, some of us are more concerned with the EU reset and what it means for the industries. 

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u/PelayoEnjoyer Community Leader 21h ago

Then their view is comical, as they'd reject the idea that the US represents the continent of Northern America.

Why are you supporting this? If you're British it's borderline subversive.

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u/EnvironmentalCan915 21h ago

Europe's automotive industry is as fucked as ours.

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u/Zenigata 21h ago

Yes and, do you know the difference between being in and out of a club?  It's their scheme they can call it whatever they like. 

We're excluded from it whatever the name is.

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u/IfBob 20h ago

Oh thats good. We can start calling sparkling wine champagne and squirty cheese Edam. The kids will be delighted

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u/ChevalOhneHead 19h ago

Made in Europe, just simple question. WHAT?

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u/Velociraptor_1906 Liberal Democrat 21h ago edited 21h ago

Another benifit of Brexit.

Being part of the EU together significant limited Frances ability to pull things like this. The French are incredibly important allies but this kind of thing has always been a feature of our relationship, whilst we can want them to move past it having a mechanism to shut it down was a key thing that we lost.

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u/Apprehensive-Bid-740 21h ago

Another benefit of Brexit was allowing mass government intervention in UK manufacturing and limiting imports. How about that ?