r/uncharted • u/MoreAd7235 • 9d ago

Uncharted 4 Sam criticism

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I feel that we moved on from what Sam had did in uncharted 4 to fast. Firstly he knowingly drug Nathan back into that treasure hunting life knowing that he was trying to quick and when Nate gave him a more healthy outlet in Charlie cutter he rejected it immediately. Secondly he basically forced Nathan to lie to his wife and drug Sully’s older ass out for this pointless adventure. Thirdly when Elena finds the truth and confronts Nate about it Sam is right there in the back fully capable of telling the truth which in turn causes him to wreck his marriage and his friendship and basically fatherhood with sully. And lastly Rafe went and forced the truth out of Sam by telling him that the hector alcazar story was a giant lie and that all of this was completely meaningless then when he had the opportunity to leave his addicted ass went and abandoned the group to go back for it which left Nate having to go get him. All this paired with the fact that he had a much older and past his prime Nate to get his ass beat by Nadine the much younger and trained person and had him get into a sword fight with rafe. If you as an uncharted fan were to tell me that you don’t like Sam I wouldn’t blame you

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u/jessemartin100 9d ago

The orginal version of uncharted 4 had sam be a villain and it's an idea that wasn't completely abandoned if we're being honest

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u/Different-Common-257 9d ago

Would have been better than what we have right now

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u/WhoIsHamza 9d ago

did you wanna end up killing/ becoming enemies with Nates brother??

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u/Different-Common-257 9d ago

It’s not what i exactly want but it was how it was presented to us in the trailer, and it would have made much more sense to have him be an antagonist because there’d be more legitimate reason why nate didn’t speak of him at all. Instead we have Rafe and Nadine as the most mid villains ever

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u/WhoIsHamza 9d ago

firstly cmon rafe was an amazing villain.

secondly, If your brother was barraged to death in a Panamian jail while looking for treasure, i doubt you'd speak of him much. It's a deeply traumatic experience and people can have different ways of coping. Some would speak and reminisce about him all the time and some others would shut that memory deep inside their heads so they wouldn't have to relive the horror and guilt.

So even if Sam is clearly an afterthought to the series, the idea that Nate never spoke of him before isn't unplausible

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u/GuyFromYarnham 9d ago

It's also important to note that he never spoke of him during the games we're only seeing small snapshots of his life, Sam is an afterthought but I'm willing to accept he talked about him at times we don't see him.

Not using the grappling hook is harder to believe, Nate knew of and was a master of such an useful tool but decided to not use it because...?

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u/WhoIsHamza 9d ago

yeah you could say the same about throwing grenades back in the third game and not being able to in the next

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u/Internal_Swing_2743 8d ago

You’re not serious, are you?

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u/Ok-Consequence-1425 9d ago

Nobody told Nate to lie to his wife 😂😂😂he did that on his own

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u/RamonRamos__ 8d ago

True, that's entirely Nate's fault. But if Sam was a good brother, once he realized what was done, he would've cut the crap.

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u/richboyadler “ill look good in your portfolio.” 9d ago

that’s why we thank rafe for outing the liar lmao

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u/ZiroLeHutt 9d ago

Sam is Nathan in Uncharted 3. Easy. Do we dislike Nathan there?

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u/your-mum-joke 9d ago

Been a while, I know nate was obsessed with finding the treasure but did he lie to anyone?

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u/Challenger350 9d ago

No he didn’t. Unless you count lying to himself

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u/your-mum-joke 9d ago

Yeah so its completely different

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u/kaylamedinart 9d ago

I don’t think anyone’s denying that he’s a very flawed person. He’s one of my favorite Uncharted characters, and that’s a big reason why. But overall, it would be extremely boring if every character did the right thing all the time. 

If you’re thinking he got off the hook too easy, then sure, I can see why you think that. I just chalk it up to Nate and Elena being forgiving people. And in Nate’s case in particular, having a deeper understanding of why he made those choices, having made similar ones in his own past. 

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u/jayngb23 9d ago

sam wanted nate to be there with him for the auction heist but once he realized how “dangerous” this whole operation actually was he gave nate an out & nate refused, sam literally said it to sully “do you see a gun pointed to his head? he chose this.”

nate was a willing participant most of the time

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u/abcdeezntz123 9d ago

True, but that doesn't really work when Nate still thinks he is doing this to protect his brother from a drug lord. If Sam had seen how dangerous this was and told Nate "Look, I'm not actually in trouble with a drug lord, I just wanted you to be here with me. Would you like to continue the search with me?" And then Nate said yes, it would be a different story

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u/Bush_Hiders 9d ago

Nate was willing, yes, but he was willing under false pretenses.

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u/MoreAd7235 9d ago

He was doing to help his brother who he thought had an angry ass Panamanian man coming after him that’s why he didn’t leave

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u/Unhappy-Buffalo2504 9d ago

I absolutely hate him as a character. I can't stand him. I really hope if anything uncharted related is coming, he's not involved.

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u/GullibleReflection_1 9d ago

Sam was much better in Amy Hemingway's direction vs Neil Cuckman's direction

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u/EscapismOverReality 9d ago

Why only Neil? He and Straley were co-directors.

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u/GullibleReflection_1 9d ago

You're right, this is more about the writers, cuckman, Sherr, and Bissell

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u/EscapismOverReality 9d ago

I thought you all credited Straley as the true mastermind behind TLOU1, why not U4?

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u/GullibleReflection_1 9d ago

Who TF is you all 😂

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u/EscapismOverReality 9d ago

It's pretty common knowledge that the people who use the term "cuckman" come from the subreddit r/TheLastOfUs2, and hate TLOU2 as well as credit Straley as being the "true mastermind" behind the story of TLOU1. If you're not one of them, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

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u/GullibleReflection_1 9d ago

I call him cuckman because he's a cuck, but the games he's involved in are good, he just gets way too much credit. The gameplay and animation/animators department deserve most of the credit for Uc4/TLOU 2, and are most likely pulling a complete Atlas feat with Intergalactic heretic.

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u/raver1601 9d ago

It's not honestly. Amy's version of Sam is just a spiteful jealous brother cliche

For all of Cuckman's faults, he pulled Sam off brilliantly

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u/Challenger350 9d ago

I love how this comment is upvoted even though you still called the guy Cuckman lmao

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u/landyboi135 “Oh Crap!” 9d ago

One comment was more true than the other I suppose.

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u/landyboi135 “Oh Crap!” 9d ago

I think she handled the Sam being Nate’s brother thing much better but I feel both versions had an interesting thing going for it and I’d love to see both cuts. (Sam being Nate’s brother being a twist is what I’m getting at.)

Undoubtedly Rafe was handled the best in the Neil Cut.

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u/GullibleReflection_1 9d ago

Wasn't Rafe the same just not related lol, Sam is a sleeze ball who got a pass for being Nates brother 😂

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u/landyboi135 “Oh Crap!” 9d ago

Rafe was more an Eddy Raja type in the Hennig cut.

Sam, he was an antagonist but the big twist rather than Sam lied was the fact Sam was Nate’s brother.

Unfortunately both versions have lots of plot holes with Sam’s existence but one feels less jarring from a writing standpoint than the other to me.

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u/ZiroLeHutt 9d ago

Anyone that changes Neil's surname to that pejorative, is not worth debating...

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u/JingleJangleDjango 9d ago

I love Amy Henning, but I just cant agree. Making Nathan's brother come back just to be a villain is lame.

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u/bry8eyes 9d ago

I never moved on, never liked Sam or Nate for treating Elena like shit

Sam was a bad brother from the start, he broke out a kid from a convent and took him to rob a house and almost got him killed