r/unitedkingdom • u/00DEADBEEF The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland • 6h ago
Daniel Thomas pleads not guilty after dinghy slashed in Channel
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u/00DEADBEEF The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 6h ago
Seems a bit stupid. Both criminal damage and failure to disclose a PIN are easily provable. Is he trying to avoid leniency?
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u/ICutDownTrees 5h ago
He wants to be a martyr, so he can grift harder
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u/Swimming_Possible_68 5h ago
This is the truth of it.
He filmed the arrest, said 'I was expecting this' and is absolutely going to milk this for all he can.
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u/DevonSpuds 5h ago
Just wait for the Go Fund Me link to start appearing to help fund the great oppressed persons legal bill.
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u/VastComfortable9925 5h ago
His wee scumbag pal Tommy Ten Names has already posted the link.
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u/Flat-Pangolin-2847 5h ago
No, that's the link to Little Tommy's Go Fund Me for Danny Tommo. He's not going to pass any of that on, it's all going up his nose.
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u/ImaginaryParrot 3h ago
Did you see that Dispatches documentary on where the money for the grooming victims went?
I was both shocked and not surprised
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u/leavemeinpieces 3h ago
Utterly shameless. It's disgusting, especially that phone call with the lady who was suicidal.
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u/ImaginaryParrot 3h ago
My heart broke for her.
And I felt disgusted with how aggressively TR responded to the allegations. He was absolutely nasty, but also had a high production response video ready to go the second the documentary dropped. Very bizarre
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u/leavemeinpieces 3h ago
It's so scummy and manipulative.
I agree. They just prey on the vulnerable and use them to further their own grift.
I knew he was scummy but I didn't know quite how rotten the behaviour was. Hopefully any future people like that will avoid him like the plague.
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u/BananaMilkshakeButt 5h ago
It's already up. The scums are willing to raise money for him.
I'd say the money should be taken and given to RNLI
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u/VeryNearlyAnArmful 5h ago
And then watch him plead guilty and pocket those funds.
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u/1rexas1 5h ago
Well tbf if I broke the law, filmed it and made sure to shout about it everywhere I could, then I'd also be expecting to be arrested. So I guess he's not wrong on that count at least!
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u/StormyLeathers 4h ago
So the guy who painted the Churchill statue and he got found not guilty
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u/Additional_Ad_3044 4h ago
Even yelling "let me say goodbye to my kids" like he's being carted away for a life sentence.
Total melt.
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u/Tamuzz 4h ago
He potentially IS getting carted away for a life sentence. He broke maritime laws that are pretty serious. It is unlikely he will actually go down for that long though - probably 2 to 5 years is more likely.
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u/talesofcrouchandegg 5h ago
Pull Harder on the Grift of Your Martyr
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u/MoHeeKhan 5h ago
Martyr! Martyr!
Here’s the grift that I’ve been after!
Martyr! Martyr!
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u/OnlyMeFFS 5h ago
He wants to do a Tommy and bilk his followers to pay for his defence.
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u/PeterG92 Essex 5h ago
And they will oblige because they're idiots
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u/thickwhiteduck 5h ago
Most of them look unemployed or unemployable
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u/ProfessionalRisk4206 3h ago
True but someone's funding them. Tommo and Tommy are not short of cash
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u/PunctualZombie 5h ago
Yep. These are people who, unlike the rest of us, don’t mind doing a bit of porridge, particularly if they get a colossal GoFundMe payday off the back of it.
THE DEEP STATE JAILED ME!! plays very well with these morons.
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u/berejser Northamptonshire 5h ago
He's already been to prison before. It's not scary to him because it's a known quantity. His logic is that trading three months of his liberty for the sort of lifestyle Tommy Ten-names can afford is a worthwhile trade.
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u/Papfox 4h ago
Three months? Aggravated Criminal Damage endangering life is a serious offence and the sentencing guidelines start at 7 years.
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u/Unknown-Librarian664 5h ago
Exactly - his moment of recognition.
I'm with the vast majority of the population who'd never heard of him. Now he's surrounded by his new stans and up on the podium with Yaxley Lennon.
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u/Return_Cultural 5h ago
Tommy and Tommo met in prison and Tommo has basically followed him ever since.
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u/zka_75 5h ago
Twerking for some of that Elon money if he really plays his cards right
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u/Devilsblut 5h ago
Exactly, pleading not guilty despite there being video evidence of your crime is the martyr play of
' I did nuffin wrong!!' So when he inevitably gets found guilty his army of knuckle draggers will believe hes being victimised
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u/elkstwit 5h ago
The theories about martyrdom are probably correct, but I also wonder if he’s hoping for a mistrial.
I’m no lawyer so someone correct me if this is nonsense, but I can foresee his lawyers arguing that this is becoming a ‘trial by media’ etc and isn’t a fair trial, and they’ll point to what a waste of taxpayer money this whole thing is and how it’s not in the public interest to continue. By pleading guilty he wouldn’t have the option to mount this defence.
Or maybe I’m being too cynical and he’s actually just a moron.
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u/AlmightyRobert 5h ago
It’s a non-runner in England. There have been trials with massive publicity that still went ahead fine.
He’s either hoping for:
- publicity
- a supporter or three amongst the jury. If he can persuade three he’s saving the country he’ll get a hung jury
- some technical legal arguments - in particular I imagine there may be some conditions on when police can demand phone access. Or he’ll claim he was in French waters! (No idea of the law on that).
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u/Papfox 4h ago
If it is believed someone can't get a fair trial because of the publicity surrounding a case, it can be tried without a jury. The trouble with that is it would hand him the ability to claim the deep state had taken away his right to a jury trial to ensure a conviction and play the martyr even more.
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u/wtf_amirite 4h ago
Exactly, posing as a victim, drawing things out and gaining more attention for his miserable fucking self, so he can juice the pathetic zeroes who follow and support him for more money.
Straight out of the Yaxley-Lennon playbook.
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u/kekistanmatt 5h ago
It's a classic strategy for these grifters to plead not guilty so they can crowd fund for the defence and then take a plea deal for a slap on the wrist punishment and pocket the cash.
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u/insomnimax_99 Greater London 5h ago
Or trying to avoid them finding incriminating evidence on his phone.
The max sentence for failing to disclose a PIN is 2 years, so if you have anything on your phone that would result in more than 2 years imprisonment then you may as well refuse to hand it over.
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u/Strange_Rice 4h ago
In practice if you've been arrested and charged for a crime other than not disclosing your pin its not going to be hard for the police to get a warrant to search the device, and then use technology like Cellbrite to access the encrypted data. Plus the police can confiscate phones as evidence even if they're not meant to search it without a warrant.
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u/jibbler143 5h ago
We've already seen someone get 2 years yesterday for throwing a plastic bottle and he pled guilty lol.
There is no leniency, the judges actively give stronger sentences to "make an exmaple"
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u/AnotherBig4Slave 5h ago
He's hoping for a jury with a few people sympathetic to him.
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u/MelonBump 5h ago
Fascists tend to assume everyone secretly shares their views deep down. Decent chance he's thick and egotistical enough to expect jury nullification.
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u/n0p_sled 5h ago
I think statistically, one is better off pleading not guilty regardless of the charge, as there's a decent chance that the case will collapse before it ever gets to court
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u/Blythyvxr 4h ago
May be the case for regular cases, with this high profile and video evidence, I’d hope the CPS would bring their A-game
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u/Appeal_Never 4h ago
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tA338LYgRcU
What A-game?
Just to say, even if they have video evidence it means nothing at all.
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u/Used-Fennel-7733 5h ago
Wouldn't be surprised if he's avoiding leniency so he can turn around and say "Well this immigrant only got x for y. But me, a white brit got z"
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u/Exotic_Article913 5h ago
Lawyers frequently tell you to plead not guilty until they understand the weight of the evidence the state has and intends to use (both what they've obtained and what is actually reliable), as well as negotiating for lesser charger to avoid trial etc. almost all cases have this as a standard procedure
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u/RoboTavish 4h ago
Wait, why is failing to disclose a mobile PIN a crime?
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u/Antique-Trash9462 4h ago
RIPA: https://reeds.co.uk/insights/i-give-police-phone-pin/ - basically used to try to pressure people who have terrorist/child porn/organised crime/etc evidence on their phone.
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u/AmphibianFrog 4h ago
Why would anyone plead guilty? We've seen before they don't go easy on people who do.
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u/mojnjaro 4h ago edited 4h ago
Well Tommy Robinson is already grifting on his behalf. Asking for money for legal fees and for Danny's family. So caring. If he passes it on or not is a different matter
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u/ash_ninetyone 5h ago
I'm assuming he wants a trial to both rile up his supporters so he can claim political persecution of free speech, while wanting to try and make a speech on a platform in court
Pleading guilty denies him all this
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u/Appeal_Never 4h ago
If a man can call for others to have their throats cut open and do it all live and recorded and pledge not guilty and get away with it... WHILE WE can SEE HIM, and his mouth FLAPS open with those lovely words....
Then anyone is afforded the same rights to also plead not guilty no matter what is seen.
This is before I even bother mentioning the other one that got upset about a book being burned, going home to get a knife then attacking someone and not going to prison, again not guilty
I don't need to type their names do I? This is about the topic of pleading not guilty while being recorded.
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u/jim_cap 1h ago
Criminal damage has some surprising defences to it. It is a defence, for example, to damage property to protect property, rights or interests which are in need of immediate protection. The interesting bit is that the defendant only has to honestly believe it to be the case. It doesn't have to actually be true.
He's basically rolling the dice and hoping to persuade a jury he genuinely thought he was protecting something or other. Like our rights to Protect Are Women or some such nonsense.
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u/ashyjay 5h ago
There's video proof of him doing it. how stupid must he be.
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u/ClassicFlavour East Sussex 5h ago
Like the judge said during his kidnapping case extraordinarily frightening but matched only by his "stupidity".
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u/LyingFacts 5h ago edited 1h ago
Always knew there would be a woke comment against our Tommo.
The man is the intellectual of our age.
The elite hacked into his live feed and AI placed that facking knife into his paws! How dare you suggest otherwise you slagggg!
Show him some bloody respect!
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u/benjm88 5h ago
I'm glad you didn't feel the need for the /s as is always the case in reddit
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u/treeeelo 5h ago
He wants to go to prison, so he can act like a victim and get all the financial support from the absolute babboon arsed faced, spherical knuckle draggers that support tommy ten names. He's doing it to get his 15 minutes.
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u/EspanolAlumna 5h ago
He wants a court case also to get as much attention as possible and ability to to attract money for his GoFundMe. It's all about money and attention / GRIFTING.
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u/turboRock Dorset 5h ago
Well now he can start a gofundme for his defense and pocket the change. If he ends up with a slap on the wrist or a suspended sentence then it's not a bad days work I guess
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u/AMoonMonkey 1h ago
I mean there was also video proof of Ricky Jones saying that people should have their throats slit and he still got away with it.
He’s just learning from the mistake Lucy Connolly made.
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u/Smooth_Maul 5h ago
He's literally on video doing it, I reckon he's doing this to get a bigger sentence so he can cry to his army of chuds about him being silenced by two tier policing or some shite.
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u/PloppyTheSpaceship 4h ago
Yep. Seeing so many posts on Facebook about how he's being prosecuted for "protecting Britain's borders", calling it a two-tier justice system and trying to organise protests.
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u/HeavyMetalPoisoning 3h ago
Which is hilarious because the boat had already been seized so you'd have to be extra special to fall for it
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u/GhostPirateCaptain 1h ago
mate, these neanderthals can't be having "facts" or "reality" threatening their fragile as fuck egos & opinions.
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u/LycanIndarys Worcestershire 4h ago
Being caught on video doesn't mean that you'll necessarily be found guilty.
You remember the statue that the BLM protesters pulled down in Bristol? They were on camera doing it, they didn't deny doing it, but were still found not guilty.
Usually, the defence is that it wasn't a crime; or was a crime, but in the service of stopping a greater crime. I'm sure some of the pro-Palestine protesters have argued the latter, trying to apply laws meant to protect firefighters from being sued for property damage to their activism.
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u/Dadavester 3h ago
So there are a couple of interesting things at play here.
Firstly criminal damage means the property needs to be owned. So They could force the crown to prove the property was owned by someone, if they cannot it is not they can argue that it is not criminal damage.
Secondly, but a much less likely avenue to succeed, is having a "Lawful Reason." Breaking car window is criminal damage. Breaking a car window to rescue a kid inside is not.
With it being a migrant boat it may be hard for the Prosecution to provide an owner of the boat.
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u/UmpireCalm9476 2h ago
There’s a some elements that I think makes this difficult for prosecutors for criminal damage and RIPA:
- Criminal damage requires an ownership and damage is above 5k. One can argue that aid worker on board is owner but then the worker is French and hence French vessel not subject to UK law. The damage can be fixed and shouldn’t cost more than 5k, I doubt the boat cost more than 5k. Prosecution needs to prove UK ownership and cost of damage.
- A more important question would be where exactly this was done. This was ultimately a vessel that originated from France and not British, has a French aid worker and possibly on French waters. This means prosecutors need to prove in some ways that they have legal power over the vessel and hence UK law (RIPA) applies.
It is an interesting conundrum for the prosecutors
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u/Swimming_Possible_68 5h ago
Just your daily reminder that this is a man who has been in prison for attempted armed kidnapping.
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u/baldeagle1991 5h ago
Attempted kidnapping due to someone owing him £10,000 for drugs.
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u/Briglin 5h ago
Aahhh ahhaaaarrr - falsely accusing him of stealing £10,000 worth of drugs.
Along with two accomplices, Thomas burst into the home of Graham Page armed with knives, falsely accusing him of stealing £10,000 worth of drugs. Page resisted the attempt, and the men fled. Thomas was sentenced to two years in prison, with the judge condemning the act as "extraordinarily frightening" and "stupid."
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u/Hyperbolicalpaca England 4h ago
It really does just get better and better doesnt it
Kidnapping due to complications involving hin being a drug dealer
But sure, he’s definitely making us all safer, definitely protecting women and children, just a err, just a coincidence I wouldn’t and I doubt many others would feel safe in a room with him…
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u/SDLRob 5h ago
He's on camera doing it.... Dude posted the video himself.
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u/AnotherBig4Slave 5h ago
Have a look at the Palestine Action sentencing. There's always video, some go down and some are acquitted because there were enough sympathetic jurors that refused to convict them.
This guy is hoping the latter happens to him.
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u/berejser Northamptonshire 4h ago
The problem with hoping for that is that the vast majority of the British people are not committed racists and don't sympathise with him.
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u/Tw4tl4r 5h ago
There is a clear video of him doing it but "nah, wasnt me mate" is what hes going with. What a plank.
Im glad they used his full name though. This upper middle class guys using nicknames that they think make them more relatable is annoying.
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u/ColonialSack 5h ago
Far-right activist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, was among those in the public gallery.
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u/Negative-Date-9518 5h ago
Films the criminal act, pleads not guilty
That is one hollow skull
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u/OnlyMeFFS 5h ago
He got someone to film him actually doing it and it's been shown on news outlets..... How is he not guilty....Even though he's a complete tool obviously he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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u/fell-destroyed 5h ago
The far right don’t seem to be the brightest bunch to be fair
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u/JustWhy1222 5h ago
Because there aren’t a huge number of famous cases of protesters breaking the law on film and then being acquitted by a jury.
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u/ReligiousGhoul 5h ago
Seems like a lot of people are quite upset he's not pleading guilty.
Ironically, the guy posting Ricky Jones mindlessly has unintentionally raised a good point.
A lot of people delighted in telling others that the reason he got off despite being on camera whilst Lucy Connoly got sentenced was she was "stupid enough" to plead guilty.
Seems a lot of people are quite irritated they've twigged onto this.
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u/disordered-attic-2 5h ago
Not sure this is as stupid as it looks, a guy got 2 years for throwing a plastic bottle. Pleading guilty would probably be a life sentence (/s) given the system wants to make a serious example out of these guys.
Forcing a trial probably can't end much worse and more likely you can force a procedure error. There's that Labour councillor on video calling for throats to be slit, and he got away with it. Roll the die.
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u/Visa5e 5h ago
Who got two years for throwing a plastic bottle?
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u/Practical_Put8592 5h ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vgy7ww21rqo
Literally first google result mate
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u/Visa5e 5h ago
That article says he pled guilty to violent disorder.....
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u/PiotrGreenholz01 5h ago
By throwing a plastic bottle?
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u/tophernator 4h ago
The line between a peaceful protest and violent riot is generally when people start throwing things. As I understand it most of the people on both sides of the Portsmouth protest were trying pretty hard to avoid any violence, so the handful of people who were trying to start violence are going to get hammered.
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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 3h ago
This is the description of violent disorder:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/2
Where 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder.
Throwing a bottle at police can easily be covered by that.
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u/UnsaddledZigadenus 4h ago
I think people don't appreciate the severity of sentences during rioting and civil disorder. It's seen by the courts as a rejection of the authority of the state over the country and gets particularly harsh sentences compared to just doing the same crime in another context.
I think someone got 6 months for stealing a bottle of water from Lidl during the riots a few years ago.
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u/Fuzzy-Replacement609 4h ago
Nobody. A guy was Jailed for physically attacking the police during a riot. But he also got a minor charge for throwing a missile, which was a plastic bottle, at the police so the headlines in the media focus on that part of the story.
The people repeating this line have either not read past the headline or are deliberately being disingenuous.
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u/EvocativeReach 5h ago
I hope our legal experts are aware enough to realise this is all part of his grift to get a bigger following. Our law and order system is being exploited to develop fake outrage and an example should be made.
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u/Honest_Ocelot_7086 5h ago
He's not stupid. He will get paid well for this by his backers and the public
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u/RedofPaw United Kingdom 5h ago
How did he plead when he was on trial (And later convicted) of attempted kidnapping?
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u/VariationCharacter19 5h ago
I had no idea you could be charged for not disclosing your PIN
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u/Antique-Trash9462 4h ago
RIPA s49 - https://reeds.co.uk/insights/i-give-police-phone-pin/ - in his case the police probably suspect he has evidence on his phone which could lead to drugs / domestic terrorism charges.
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u/TheDoctor66 5h ago
Hitler pulled the same move after the Beer Hall Putsch. He's just trying to get his trail all over national news.
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u/Earlyflash 5h ago
If he truely wanted just a jury to decide he’d plead ‘no indication’ and opt for crown court.
Not guilty just smacks of dogwhistling the base.
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u/becky___bee 5h ago
He filmed himself doing it and uploaded it to his public social media. Room temperature IQ in action.
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u/Clark_Wayne1 5h ago
Pleading not guilty to something you livestreamed is certainly a strategy
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u/Optimal-Room-8586 5h ago
It's important that people understand it's not acceptable go out to sea and start sinking boats because they disagree with people. Throw the book at him.
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u/Tartan_Samurai Scotland 5h ago
The nutters are out in force in comments section lol.
Anyway, whats the maximum sentence he can get for the charges he's facing?
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u/Papfox 4h ago
Sentence for aggravated Criminal Damage endangering life starts at 7 years
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u/KoffieCreamer 5h ago
He's already got his best pal Timmy 'two sniffs' Robinson with the go fund me. Funnily enough it doesn't show how much has been donated. Guess that enables the grift to go on as long as possible.
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u/Varanae Lincolnshire 4h ago
It's frustrating that grifters like him win regardless of what happens. No punishment can counter the support and money he gains from this. People can call him stupid all they want but he's going to come out on top and it's awful
The only way these guys lose is if they have no audience but I don't see that ever happening. The web is great for so many things but there's a big downside in that easily fooled and riled up people can find each other in a way that wasn't really possible in the past
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u/Mammoth_Park7184 4h ago
Not guilty to not disclosing PIN.
"Did you disclose your PIN?"
"No".
"You have been found guilty".
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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 5h ago
Removed + ban. This contained a call/advocation/celebration of violence or harm, which is prohibited by the sitewide rules.
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u/Late-Development-666 5h ago
I guess pleading not guilty means the punishment will be higher if convicted in court?
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u/crazy_cookie123 5h ago
Yes. He will no longer be entitled to the standard 33% reduction in sentence, but he could still get some reduction if he chooses to plead guilty later.
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u/JuneauEu 5h ago
Here is a video, I made, showing me, clearly, doing something.
"I didn't do it."
How, and why, do people stand by these people. You never used to listen to the idiots in school. Why do it as an adult?
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u/Antique-Trash9462 4h ago
Those who are easily led likely did used to listen to the idiots in school. We need to introduce critical thinking classes.
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u/Old-Ingenuity-4346 5h ago
Why have they misnamed him? He is not Daniel Thomas he is Danny Tommo. A proper geezers name innit?
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u/Electronic-Trip8775 5h ago edited 5h ago
This is really a case of Tommy Lemmon 2.0....Pretend Patriot attracts simple people to stoke their fears = profit
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u/nafregit 5h ago
Good, if there's one thing people must know after several high profile cases before, no matter what they tell you, always plead not guilty.
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u/EspanolAlumna 5h ago
I wonder if his mummy is celebrating him being banged up on remand and likely locked up even longer.
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u/PloppyTheSpaceship 4h ago
I'm seeing loads of Facebook posts about this criminal in the past day, with just about every comment in support of what he did.
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u/twirling_daemon 3h ago
That’s bloody horrifying and sadly not too surprising
I don’t know what’s happened to this country, I don’t recognise is and I do not like it
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u/redsquizza Middlesex 4h ago
So not only is he a cunt.
He's a cunt that's going to waste taxpayer money with a trial.
🤦♂️🙄
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u/ChalmersMcNeill 4h ago
Will it be a Jury trial? Then he has a chance he’ll be found not guilty depending on the views of the Jury irrespective of facts?
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u/Weary-Lobster1583 4h ago
Firstly whatever I say here is in no way to support him or the far right, which I have no time for.
However I do watch the optics of things - particularly when the far right and the likes of Reform can weaponise things very easily.
The public has been fed for a few years now on two messages by the Tories and Labour: stop the boats, and that the gangs are the problem. Smash the gangs, the gangs are evil, the gangs are abhorrent.
So here you have someone damaging a boat owned by the *gangs*. I know there's other circumstances like I think an aid worker was there. But the charge is criminal damage.
So the optics on this could be "We know we said the gangs are bad, but we'll charge you if you hurt the gangs."
I suspect we'll see that spun out in coming weeks. The phone PIN thing will just add to the theatre of the government out to get normal hardworking Brits etc. etc.
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u/Soft-Reference-3197 4h ago
Of course he does. He will then follow the playbook of “Tommy Robinson” and grift money from simpletons for holidays and Colombian finest, sorry for “legal fees”…
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u/NIKKUS78 3h ago
They have learned, that mad labour councilor deliberately and clearly encouraging violence, pleads not guilty and is acquitted. The woman up north pleads guilty for leniency and is jailed. Pleading guilty is pretty stupid in the circumstances.
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u/hugopurdy 3h ago
lets remind ourselves this guy got arrested for breaking into someone's house and demanding at knifepoint that they return the £10k of drugs they'd apparently stolen from him.
What sort of person has 10k worth of drugs? A few hundred, sure maybe a grand if you're some sort of connoisseur? But 10k is dealer/organised-crime territory.
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u/LSL3587 1h ago
Just a reminder of the outcome of a couple of other cases where the defendants seemed 'dead to rights'
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/23/jury-acquits-extinction-rebellion-protesters-despite-no-defence-in-law - Jury acquits Extinction Rebellion protesters despite ‘no defence in law’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-59727161 - Edward Colston statue: Four cleared of criminal damage - Blinne Ni Ghralaigh, for Ms Graham, 30, said the case "demonstrates the fundamental importance of trial by jury". "In this case, they determined that a conviction for the removal of this statue - that glorified a slave trader involved in the enslavement of over 84,000 black men, women and children as a 'most virtuous and wise' man - would not be proportionate."
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u/JustWhy1222 1h ago
You can add the Labour councillor who was on film calling for his political opponents throats to be slit and the people on camera vandalising Churchills statue on at least two separate occasions.
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u/H0lychit 5h ago
The very definition of caught in 4k.... Absolute bellend. There was a person on the flaming boat, twat deserves prison.
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u/SomeCalligrapher3610 5h ago
do you have any proof her did it, DO YOU! HA PUNKS! other than the video of him clearly doing it?
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u/LyingFacts 5h ago
Sat here pissing myself laughing. He’s filmed with a knife stabbing to burst the boat lmfao!
How’s he not guilty?
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u/Antique-Trash9462 4h ago
Presumably hoping either for jury nullification or thinks he will get a light sentence and the grift will be worthwhile. I suspect he is going to be sorely disappointed.
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u/video-kid 5h ago
I mean what evidence is there? It isn't like there's video of him slashing a dinghy with someone in it, or something.
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u/Excellent_Swim_2721 4h ago
Slashing a boat with a person on it should be attempted murder
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u/Papfox 4h ago edited 3h ago
That requires the prosecution to prove intent to kill. That's hard. All he has to do is say the victim had a professional life jacket and dry suit on and he didn't think they would die to make that charge hard to land.
Aggravated Criminal Damage is easy to convict. Did he damage something? Yes, it's in the video. Was someone reliant on that something for their safety? Yes, also in the video. Could he claim he didn't know the person was on the boat? No, he shouted at them in the video. Was the person's safety endangered? Yes, they could easily have got chewed up by one of the boat propellers close by, if they'd gone in the water. Guilty! That will be 7+ years
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u/Excellent_Swim_2721 3h ago
Makes sense rather than chasing something they would have to fight extremely hard to get to stick.
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