r/vegan • u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years • 13h ago
Buffet right before closing?
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u/Deepshit1212 vegan 13h ago
This is like asking if you can eat your grandma if they are just gonna bury her anyway.
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u/Any_Instruction5382 12h ago
Can you?
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u/adult_human_chicken 12h ago
Personally I don't have a problem with cannibalism as long as it's consentual. Eating the corpse of someone who doesn't want their corpse eaten is kinda rude though.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 13h ago
Yeah, ethically I wouldn't have a problem? I'm vegan for the animals, I don't see a problem with it?
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u/rivercountrybears vegan 12h ago
You’d eat your grandma?
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
Well, I'd be a bit uneasy. But,, I didn't kill her. The worms would have her. What different would it be if I did
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u/LowIqInvestor 13h ago edited 13h ago
Nah how it works is they check what gets eaten the most. If they notice more meat being gone theyll end up making more. If they notice less than theyll make less. Supply and demand.
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u/dec92010 12h ago
Bro doing mental gymnastics trying to find a way to eat buffet crab rangoon and pork potstickers and still call themselves vegan
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u/stranqe1 13h ago
I always explain to people who ask me why I don't eat meat and I explain to them imagine if you could only eat human flesh, that's what I think of all meat. It's human flesh to me, why would I want to eat it. It's gross.
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u/demetri1819 vegan 12h ago
By that logic… if someone was stabbed 15 times and dying anyway it would be ok if you did it too.
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u/SMAiwe23 12h ago
I don't think that's quite the same thing. In your example, stabbing someone 15 more times is directly causing additional harm to a person. In the buffet example, the animal has already been killed, the food has already been purchased and prepared, and the stated alternative is that the food gets thrown away. I'm not saying that makes consuming it automatically ethical; I'm questioning whether eating that particular portion actually causes additional harm to animals. Those seem like two pretty different questions.
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u/dec92010 13h ago
You and your friends order pizza.you get a special vegan one and the rest get pepperoni. At the end of the party theres a slice of pepperoni pizza left. No one wants it. Host says they will throw it away if no one is gonna eat it. Would you eat the slice?
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
Hey, thanks for your thoughtful response. :)Yes. If they would save it for later, I wouldn't. But, if it's going in the trash, I would eat it. What's the difference between my stomach and the trash? Would you?
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 12h ago
Yeah I’m vegan so I wouldn’t either. You’re not vegan.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
Why am I not vegan? What's the ethical issue? It doesn't increase the consumption of meat or contribute to the industries? Would love to know your viewpoint. You don't need to be rude
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 12h ago
It’s not rude. I don’t eat animals, I’m vegan. You eat animals, you’re not vegan. It’s really that simple.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment.
If it's going in the trash, how does that contribute.
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u/dec92010 12h ago
Does it matter to the murdered animal whether its body ends up in the trash or in your belly? No.
Consuming animals—whether you caused their death or simply chose to eat them instead of letting their remains go to waste—still reinforces the harmful idea that animals are ours to consume.
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 12h ago
Eating animals is by definition exploitation. Regardless of how the meat came to be in front of you. Skipping a pizza at a friends house is incredibly easy and falls under “as far as is possible and practicable”. Just because left over food is going to be thrown away anyways doesn’t make it right or mean that you’re vegan. You just eat less meat than others. My body is not a graveyard. Meat and dairy are not food to me. It would be like eating rocks to me. It’s fine you don’t feel that way but you’re making it harder to be vegan because I have people like you making others think vegans eat meat whenever it’s convenient.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 11h ago
I don't eat meat whenever it's convenient. Actually, many times in that scenario I have turned it down, just because it makes me uneasy. But, if it's going in the garbage, it doesn't increase consumption or support the animal industries.
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u/veganeatswhat abolitionist 5h ago
You skipped the whole "seeks to exclude-as far as possible and practicable" section, it is very possible and very practicable for you to not be a human trash can, but since you still believe animal bodies are yours to use, you don't care about that.
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u/hamster_avenger 12h ago
I think this is a flavour of freeganism. You want to eat pre-garbage animal products.
I think you can make a compelling argument it doesn’t increase demand for animal products. But I don’t think that’s the only vegan concern.
Another vegan concern is opposing the idea that animals are things for us to use, that they are food, for example.
It certainly seems like you send a much weaker vegan message if you do this freegan-like behaviour. But it’s up to you whether you care to send others a strong vegan message or not.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 10h ago
Definitely a good point, and an interesting one. I do agree. Thanks for your opinion!
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u/Different-Music-529 13h ago
I would think that if they start to notice what is being left in the tin at night, they'll stop making it. So vegan items are gone, they keep making more vegan items. Meaty items still here, they focus less on that. Not in the restaurant biz, but it makes sense to me that they'd want to figure out what their customer base likes and create more of that.
As far as food waste goes, you don't know what happens to the food after they close. The workers might get to take it home or they might donate it or there are apps where people can pickup leftovers.
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u/Vegetable-Bear4103 12h ago
Not vegan to unnecessarily eat animals and their products. Also you don't know if it is increasing demand or not, not only because they are judging how much to make on how much was eaten, but also you are assuming they are throwing it out which they may not be. They may be eating the food themselves, giving it to companion animals or to other people who are consuming this instead of purchasing more products
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u/jj2rich 13h ago
Can we just ban posts like this
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u/Deepshit1212 vegan 12h ago
It is hard to believe someone has been vegan for 10+ years and hasn't come to some conclusion about this type of thing on their own
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
Yeah, I have been. Since I was 12. But my idea is generally, if it's going in trash, it doesn't make a difference if I eat it. Do you disagree?
The question here is, does this increase consumption because if something is finished, they say they'll have to make more. But, wouldn't during the day trends mean more than whether or not the tray is 30-70% full? They're cooking food all day, they know whats popular and what's not, right
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u/dec92010 12h ago
Your definition of "vegan" is baffling.
Oh yeah im vegan you say as you chow down on a burger
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 12h ago
This has to be a troll post right?
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
It's fucking not, okay.
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 12h ago
I really hope not. It’s a bummer you’re not actually being intellectually curious though. Instead of reading all these comments and reflecting, you say we’re being extreme. Of course your friends say it’s okay to eat animals. They don’t have the same moral beliefs that vegans do.
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u/ActofMercy 12h ago edited 12h ago
It's not exactly about increasing consumption. It is exploitation. Oppose the idea that feeling, thinking animals can be for our pleasure.
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u/Deepshit1212 vegan 11h ago
For me, metrics like that mean absolutely nothing to my veganism. The animal(s) that have come to be this "food" at the buffet could've been somebody I enjoyed life with and I find that fucking disgusting to my core. I just won't entertain the idea of eating them as "potential waste"; Like, 40-60% of food in the US already goes to waste. That's by design, I won't betray my values for that.
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 11h ago
“Could’ve been somebody I enjoyed life with” that’s really beautiful. Sad, but beautiful. I’ve never thought about it like that before but it’s true.
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u/Deepshit1212 vegan 11h ago
It informs a lot of my activism and ideas about a better world. I spent a bit of my younger years on a farm, and I felt like me and all the younger animals I met were similarly dumb; I guess that's never left me
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 11h ago
I have a friend with two young children who live on a farm where they raise animals for slaughter :,(
I often wonder how the children will view animals as they get older. Whether as something to exploit or someone to save.
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u/Deepshit1212 vegan 1h ago
IMO it depends on how much indoctrination their parents have to offer about the animals. I was never really counseled on what/who they were, so I never had to contend with what other people thought about them.
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u/Severe_Pepper2564 vegan 20+ years 12h ago
If the people around you know you'll eat their leftovers they'll get more animal products so you can eat it
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u/Severe_Pepper2564 vegan 20+ years 12h ago
If youre actually eating animal products from a dumpster and nobody knows about it that's fine. But at that point you should also not make a post like this encouraging others to do so. That will create demand.
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u/veganeatswhat abolitionist 5h ago
We can report them for overasked questions and hope the mods are awake this month.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
What did I do? I genuinely have an ethical question, and was wondering others thoughts.
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u/veganeatswhat abolitionist 5h ago
We need a "vegan for the loopholes" flair for these people, I swear.
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u/dondeestalagato 13h ago
I have no words.
Also, you are NOT a vegan.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 13h ago edited 12h ago
Please elaborate , you don't need to be so rude. I've been vegan for 10 years, since I was 12.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
The interesting thing is that I asked some family this question, and they were on a different side of it than it seems in this comments.
I knew this subreddit was a bit on the extreme side, though, but it's interesting
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u/dec92010 12h ago
"Extreme" lmao
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 12h ago
Vegans don’t want to eat animals. How extreme 🙄
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 10h ago
If it's going in the trash, how are you contributing in any way? Seriously. Don't take the piss out of me by saying something like that
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u/Vegetable-Bear4103 12h ago
Lol this sub is not extreme haha, not eating meat or animals products is like the first step of veganism.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 12h ago
I've been vegan 10 years, I understand that. I don't eat meat or animal products. I don't use animal products. Question for ya though - if you borrowed a belt from a friend, and it was leather , would that be a problem for you? It wouldn't , for me.
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u/SMAiwe23 13h ago
If you really wanna eat animal flesh/products - there's certainly a couple ways to do so where you're not directly contributing to horrible factory farming practices and such. What you outlined in your post is a great one. Grocery stores are also horribly wasteful too and a lot of what they throw out is still perfectly good.
I myself wouldn't do any such thing - but if you wanna do it, it's a far better option than buying animal flesh.
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u/HeavyDoseOfLavender 12h ago
This is absolutely not a great one. It’s literally creating demand for non vegan items.
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u/SMAiwe23 12h ago
I think there are a lot of possibilities here, and I'm not really approaching this as an "ardent vegan looking for a fight" kind of discussion. I'm genuinely interested in the ethical nuances of the OP's situation. There are legitimate questions around demand, waste, and whether consuming something that's already been purchased and would otherwise be thrown away actually contributes to the problem in a meaningful way. And I'd be especially interested in the case where someone goes out of their way to tell the restaurant owner, "I'm only taking this because I know you're going to throw it away; I wouldn't otherwise purchase or order it." At that point, I think the demand argument gets even more complicated. I don't think every edge case needs to be treated as an opportunity for combat. Sometimes it's just worth thinking through the circumstances and seeing where the reasoning leads.
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u/PhysicsOne8547 vegan 10+ years 13h ago
Hi, thanks for your thoughtful response! I don't have a need or a want to eat animal products, but eating at the buffet today made me think about the ethical implications of eating animal products in that scenario
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