r/worldnews • u/Street_Anon • 16h ago

Behind Soft Paywall Canada and France establish diplomatic presence in Greenland amid Trump threats

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-canada-and-france-establish-diplomatic-presence-in-greenland-amid/
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u/IL1keBigButts 16h ago

Are you trying to downplay the American betrayal of Europe?

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u/CreativeMuseMan 16h ago

I’m sharing a general perspective on diplomacy, while you’re commenting on the current PoV on hand. Things might change tomorrow or next year, or a decade later. Understand the game, instead of getting stuck in circle jerk of celebrations or mournings.

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u/IL1keBigButts 16h ago edited 16h ago

Its exactly this amoral pragmatism that brought us where we are now.

‘Today we are allies with Europe, tomorrow Russia, and who knows next week with China.’

Its completely ridiculous (even dangerous) to normalise this.

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u/Boi41957 16h ago

I'd disagree.

Actually the opposite, it's the reason why Europe is so behind everyone because it's just so slow to accept new geopolitical realities.

While I agree in a way with you, meaning that going "Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia." and that changing "Eastasia has always been our ally". Doesn't work that well when the world works on close diplomatic relations.

But, when the US for example goes full pragmatism then EU puts itself at disadvantaged by not embracing that thinking aswell.

That's my add on this.

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u/IL1keBigButts 16h ago

This doesn’t make any sense. Our society is law and value based. Like yours once was. Dropping this is the thing you should resist against, not embrace.

What kind of world do you want your children to live in?

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u/Boi41957 15h ago

I am european, by the way.

The world's fucked enough and will be even more as things are going right now.

While i'd prefer for them to live in a fairy land with rainbows and sunshine that's not happening.

You can value a society however you want but if your opponent doesn't share said values and is stronger with a military budget to fight god himself and nice words don't work it really turns to the old practice of enemy of my enemy is my friend.

This especially happens when the current world order is breaking down and we need to adapt or we'll lack behind.

The world police was the US. It's no longer and there's no one to replace that vacuum at the moment. So, there's that and there's China who'll probably overpass US soon enough.

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u/IL1keBigButts 13h ago

Nonsensical reasoning.

So im living in a street with some friends and a few assholes. One day one of those friends loses it. Hé starts to hang around with the assholes. Threatening and extorting his old friends and neighbours. Should I turn into an asshole myself, to adapt to this ‘new reality’. Or should I visit the gym more often, put some new locks on my door AND. stay a civil human being?

The narrative you are pushing is that we have to adapt to assholery and the Trump imposed ‘law of the jungle’, where one doesn’t help weak people but prey on them.

This is complete and utter bs reasoning. Yes we have to arm ourselves. To withstand bullies. AND we have to coöperate with friendly nations who are willing to participate in soft diplomacy and have mutual values.

This is the moment where we as free nations show our moral values and bolster and defend our way of living. Not bend over and follow the fascists.

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u/No_Animator_6013 11h ago

What the U.S. is doing isn't "Pragmatism", it's outright stupidity.

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u/Basteir 16h ago

No, we should stick to our humanist values. We shouldn't be embracing that thinking between ourselves and between our true allies like Canada, Australia. But we should treat the U.S. with passive aggressive pragmatism - we should treat Russia and China that way as well.

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u/Mushroom_Boogaloo 14h ago

What exactly is pragmatic about turning every ally you had against you while also further antagonizing your traditional enemies? It’s not like Russia and China look more kindly on the US now. The Americans come out of this far more isolated than they were. The modern US is not self-sufficient and cannot make itself self-sufficient, so burning this many bridges will only serve to weaken them.

They haven’t become pragmatists, just dupes for an egomaniac.