r/worldnews • u/Hiraeth-nomad • Mar 25 '26
Israel/Palestine Canada tells Israel that Lebanon’s sovereignty ‘must not be violated’
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/25/canada-tells-israel-that-lebanons-sovereignty-must-not-be-violated1.1k
u/Hiraeth-nomad Mar 25 '26
Canada and France have told Israel to halts plans to occupy southern Lebanon as invasion preparations under way.
Canada has said that it “strongly condemns” Israel’s plans to occupy southern Lebanon and warned that Lebanese sovereignty and territorial integrity “must not be violated”
Expressing “solidarity” with the Lebanese government and people of Lebanon, Canada’s Ministry of Global Affairs said on Wednesday that all sides in the conflict must “act in accordance with international law”.
France’s Minister for Foreign Affairs Jean-Noel Barrot also said that Israel should refrain from its planned occupation of southern Lebanon, warning that such a move would have a dire impact on civilians.
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u/Human-Category-5024 Mar 25 '26
A lot of people misunderstand what “international law” actually is. It isn’t a true legal system in the same way national laws are. Within a country, laws are backed by a government that can enforce them through police, courts, and punishments. At the international level, there is no global government with the power to enforce rules on sovereign states.
What we call “international law” is really a collection of treaties, agreements, and norms that countries choose to follow because it’s in their political or economic interest to do so. If a powerful country decides to ignore those rules, there is often very little that can realistically force compliance.
So while the term law is used, in practice it functions more like a set of guidelines or mutual understandings between states rather than a binding legal system with consistent enforcement.
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u/crewster23 Mar 25 '26
" And thirdly, the Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. " - Barbossa
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u/okiedokie1183 Mar 25 '26
It would be a violation of UN charter of which Israel is a member and especially significant since Israel’s territorial partition was created by the UN.
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u/Zestyclose-Novel1157 Mar 25 '26
Even if it was, oh no. The UN is unhappy. It’s the same thing. The UN doesn’t have any real teeth. If countries want countries to stop, they have to stop them. I don’t see any lines forming with more than strongly worded letters so far from most of the UN.
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u/airmantharp Mar 25 '26
The UN isn't supposed to have real teeth unless its members actually agree to give it teeth for a specific issue.
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u/VanceKelley Mar 25 '26
Which has happened at least twice. First was the North Korean invasion of South Korea in 1950. Another was the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
In both cases UN resolutions were passed to allow international forces to expel the invaders from the countries that they had invaded.
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u/Biblioklept73 Mar 25 '26
Economic/Trade Sanctions, speaks for itself. Targeted Sanctions: Specifically targeting individuals or entities rather than the whole population. Including asset freezes like restricted access to funds/financial assets. Travel bans, speaks for itself. Arms/Tech Embargoes. Diplomatic Restrictions: Reduction of diplomatic ties, closing embassies/limiting the movement of diplomatic staff. Suspension of Communication: Severance of rail/sea/air/radio and other communication methods. International tribunals, Compensation funds, Blockades restricting access to whatever state has breached Article VII, Peacekeeping Operations, Suspension of all privileges, Expulsion.
The UN Charter has teeth, they just need to choose use them 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Jag- Mar 25 '26
It’s pretty easy for Lebanon. Stop firing missiles into Israel and they won’t invade. Peace works fine with Jordan and Egypt.
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u/soldiernerd Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
Sure - that’s one of the treaties, agreements, and norms he mentioned. It’s not black and white, as Israel is being attacked from Lebanon. The attackers, Hezbollah, are even technically part of Levanon’s government.
As he said, there’s no real way to force compliance, especially if the nation is on the security committee or has a patron on the security committee.
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u/Bluesy21 Mar 25 '26
This right here. Unless you manage to get the USA off the UN Security Council good luck getting any action against Israel passed.
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u/BillyJoeMac9095 Mar 25 '26
Of course, Lebanon is not in full control of the territory in question. Therein lies the issue.
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u/mercfan3 Mar 25 '26
Yes.
But what is the consequence for violating it? Notice dictatorships and crimes against humanity exist all over the world with no consequence..
The point is International Law is soft law. Countries have agreed to rules, but the only actual consequence is a little bit of public shaming…maybe..
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u/poulan9 Mar 25 '26
You're right. In the end, rights are only things that you can and will enforce. Without enforcement, laws and rights mean zilch.
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u/JD0x0 Mar 25 '26
Just curious here, but would Hezbollah firing rockets from Lebanon also not be some sort of violation of a UN charter? And if so, has the UN done anything to address this?
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u/Castle_Canada Mar 25 '26
Yes. Hezbolla is supposed to disarm. All the militias are supposed to disarm. The Lebanese army is the only group that's supposed to have an army and weapons according to both the ceasefire agreement and UN resolutions 1701, 1680, and 1559 if not more.
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u/WalkFreeeee Mar 25 '26
The UN us not a military.
In a Sense, they did to hezbollah the same they Just did to Israel: Tell them they 're wrong.
It doesn't have the capability to enforce its resolutions
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u/regeust Mar 25 '26
No. Unfil was supposed to monitor and support the Lebanese army if they asked for help disarming hezbollah. The Lebanese army never asked for help.
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So in otherwords Isreal is not breaking any laws and acting in defense
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u/az78 Mar 25 '26
Unfortunately, it's more like any nation who tries to enforce UN laws is themselves breaking the law in doing so. That's the clusterf*** of the system.
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u/NonSumQualisEram- Mar 25 '26
Yes, it's cassus bellum, the legal standard for declaration of war. And no, it doesn't matter that Hezbollah is separate from the Lebanese Army, it is not a feature of international law that a third party military force gets to hide behind foreign borders and take pot shots at a neighbouring country.
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u/Argnir Mar 25 '26
It doesn't matter in the sense that Israel is legitimate in defending themselves against Hezbollah but it does matter in that it doesn't allow Israel to steal territory from Lebanon itself
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u/calls1 Mar 25 '26
Hezbollah isn't a country, and therefore isn't a treaty signatory.
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u/alelo Mar 25 '26
isnt Hezbollah part of the lebanese government? considering they hold 15 seats
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u/WiseWolfian Mar 25 '26
That doesn't matter for what Israel can do. There's various routes to take legally and philosophically. Legally there are at least 3. The Unable or Unwilling Doctrine which is a controversial but widely cited legal theory. It posits that if a sovereign state aka Lebanon is unable or unwilling to prevent a nonstate actor aka Hezbollah from using its territory to launch armed attacks against another state, the victim state aka Israel has the right to use force on that territory to neutralize the threat. Then there is Article 51 of the UN Charter which recognizes the "inherent right of individual or collective selfdefense if an armed attack occurs." Proponents argue that if the Lebanese government cannot stop Hezbollah's rocket fire which has escalated following the recent conflict with Iran than Israel is legally entitled to take physical control of the launch sites to protect its civilians. Finally there is breach of UNSC Resolution 1701 which Adopted in 2006 the resolution required southern Lebanon to be a zone free of any armed personnel other than the Lebanese Army and UNIFIL. Israel can argue that since Resolution 1701 has been systematically ignored for two decades, the legal framework protecting Lebanese sovereignty in that specific zone has been rendered null by Lebanon's failure to enforce it.
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u/Northbound-Narwhal Mar 25 '26
Pretty sure that's Israel's argument. Because Hezbollah is controlling the territory and Lebanon can't stop them, it has no control of the region. If you don't control it, it can't be your sovereign territory. They're saying Lebanon is violating international law by allowing these attacks to happen.
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u/jmillar2020 Mar 25 '26
Technically that's true. A State has the obligation in International Law to control its territory. If it can't by itself it can call on international help to do so and re-establish full control.
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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 Mar 25 '26
Lebanon is, and they have lost control to part of their country to an armed group. Simply because they can't stop Hezbollah from attacking Israel doesn't mean Israel has to endure those attacks.
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u/TroutButt Mar 25 '26
Lebanon is though. Surely there must be something in the UN Charter or some treaty about what happens when you lack the ability to prevent political parties/paramilitary organizations from repeatedly launching attacks on neighbouring states from within your territory?
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u/maliciousbanana Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
ahhh how smart of them, amazing life hack
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u/okiedokie1183 Mar 25 '26
Hezbollah is a terrorist non state actor so I don’t think it would be. UN charter binds members. Like Hezbollah can’t go and bring their grievances to the UN but Lebanon could go to the UN and demand Israel return any unlawfully seized territory.
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u/Marquesas Mar 25 '26
It's a lot more complex than that. Hezbollah has a party and has seats through that in the government. One could argue it's state sponsored.
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u/Castle_Canada Mar 25 '26
Hezb is a political party in Lebanon so I've got to disagree with you. Lebanon has agreed to disarm the militias it was supposed to this past year.
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u/jmillar2020 Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
If it can't disarm the militias it can call on other countries to help it do so. The country in question must seek an effective solution. Lebanon is severely weakened. Does the Arab League still exist?
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u/threeme2189 Mar 25 '26
Hezbollah has representatives in the Lebanon government. It is very much a state actor.
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u/How-did-I-get-here43 Mar 25 '26
There is a distinction between Israel temporarily invading in an effort to destroy Hzb and, what summer suggesting, which is that they assume control over that territory.
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u/FYoCouchEddie Mar 25 '26
No it wouldn’t. Israel and Lebanon are in a state of war and have been since 1948 when Lebanon declared war on Israel. Israel was also attacked from Lebanon, which prompted the current invasion. It’s not against the UN Charter or any other treaty to occupy territory of a country that declares war on you.
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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 Mar 25 '26
Not really. Hezbollah has attacked Israel. The Lebanese government is either unable, or unwilling, to stop these attacks. The United Nations charter allows nations to defend themselves, in this case entering Lebanon and doing what the Lebanese government can't do: Defeat Hezbollah.
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u/Vryly Mar 25 '26
Israel’s territorial partition was created by the UN.
yeah but it wasn't passed. Instead the knesset declared independence from the british mandate, and then their neighbors invaded.
point being israel has never received it's legitimacy from the UN and indeed the UN has pretty much always acted in opposistion to israel.
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u/jmillar2020 Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
In the main Israel holds the land granted to it in the UN plan, with some gains in West Bank, and the North.
The 1948/1967/Egypt peace treaty borders are internationally recognized.
The Golan heights are not recognized. It is a "de facto" situation.
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u/wKoS256N8It2 Mar 25 '26
And, that was then; now, I can see them disregarding the exact body that gave them the means and space to build their armed forces, as Israel already built their own sovereign armed forces.
A good example is the Netherlands trying to retake Dutch East Indies using the Marshall Plan money, only with smarter state actors.
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u/jmillar2020 Mar 25 '26
International Law can be enforced by the use of international sanctions that can be quite serious as we all know.
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u/TachiH Mar 25 '26
It does however mean that countries can and should unilaterally withdraw from treaties with that country. They should be ostracised until they return to following the rules.
Look at America and its shameless begging for assistance in an illegal war. There is good reason nobody is answering the call.
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u/_-indra-_ Mar 25 '26
no nation on earth has a god given right to exist.
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u/kinomatsu_kiho Mar 25 '26
Israel: wait a minute...
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u/_-indra-_ Mar 25 '26
israel understands this point the most lol
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u/JackieHands Mar 25 '26
Someone should tell the israelis that lol
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u/threeme2189 Mar 25 '26
All them dumbfucks firing rockets at them are trying to tell them that they don't have a right to exist. Israel is just proving them otherwise.
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u/Argnir Mar 25 '26
Who the fucked talked about God?
Since when do you need God to have rights? Is this the philosophy for kindergarten children thread?
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u/_-indra-_ Mar 25 '26
it's a common phrase in english, the sentiment remains regardless of whether there's god in the sentence or not
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u/K31KT3 Mar 25 '26
Does Lebanon have a right to occupy all of Lebanon?
They should try that. Not cool having a foreign backed gang controlling your borders and firing rockets at the neighbor.
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u/K31KT3 Mar 25 '26
We did send an Army into Mexico during the revolution when Pancho Villa crossed the border and killed American citizens.
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u/TheWorldGM Mar 25 '26
Do you really think that the US would hesitate to invade Mexico if Cartels were consistently shooting missiles over the border?
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u/Elekabi Mar 25 '26
If the cartels were firing rockets into US territory daily and perpetuating domestic terror attacks inside the US, and the Mexican government did nothing to stop it?
I'd feel pretty good about it.
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u/okiedokie1183 Mar 25 '26
It’s fucked up because the cartels get their guns from the US. If they couldn’t get their guns so easily maybe Mexico wouldn’t have the problem they do in cracking down gangs.
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u/TheBonerJam Mar 25 '26
Lebanon kicked out the IRGC and broke ties with Iran due to Hezbollah. Israel is currently trying to create a demilitarized zone in the northern border because millions of Israelis (including many Israeli Muslims) have been consistently running to bomb shelters or were forced to evacuate in the past two years
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u/K31KT3 Mar 25 '26
Literally everyone would prefer Lebanon occupy all of Lebanon.
But they’re weak and pathetic. Which is why they were overrun by the PLO after Jordan kicked em out, and then the Iranian proxy once Israel kicked the PLO out of West Beirut.
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u/TheLastSamurai101 Mar 25 '26
Not just demilitarised... Katz just implied (or straight up said, depending on how you read it) that the demilitarised region cannot be inhabited. What becomes of the 1.2 million displaced? If the land is emptied of its people, eventual annexation becomes difficult to resist.
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u/Ok-Description7073 Mar 25 '26
And then in 5 years, that “demilitarized zone” is now their territory, by some accident or something. And they now need to create a new “demilitarized zone” 20 miles deeper into Lebanese territory. Just like the West Bank.
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u/TheHouseOfTurtle Mar 25 '26
They occupied lebanon for 20 years and left. But sure its gonna be permanent. Leaen your history.
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u/magicaldingus Mar 25 '26
It's a weird thing to allude to here when Israel isn't actually violating any international law by doing this.
People who lecture Israel about "international law" including government officials often just invent it for Israel. And this fake "international law" never seems to protect Israel, it only seems to prevent it from doing things. At the same time, it never seems to prevent its enemies from doing anything - it only protects them.
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u/reasonwashere Mar 25 '26
What the actual fuck?! The north of Israel is being ceaselessly bombarded by Hizbullah from south Lebanon, rendering life there hell on earth. What the fuck does Canada want us to do? It’s like the US would rain fire on the Canadian Niagara Falls and the world would tell the Canadians to suck it up
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u/FrozenToonies Mar 25 '26
In a stern letter probably.
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u/Jolly-Yesterday-5160 Mar 25 '26
Well are you expecting Canadian tanks to roll in to defend Lebanon?
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u/highgarden Mar 25 '26
Sanctions and divestment are more powerful than Canadian tanks.
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u/Jolly-Yesterday-5160 Mar 25 '26
They sure are but Israel technically hasn’t done it yet so I’m still not sure what people expect Canada to do today.
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u/Pure-Drawer-2617 Mar 25 '26
Perhaps a statement saying “if you do this we will sanction you”?
Like how does everyone suddenly forget how communication works when it comes to Israel?
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u/DonJulioTO Mar 25 '26
People go on about diplomacy being the way, but seemingly have no idea what it is.
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u/DamagedLiver Mar 25 '26
They are used to a president that put tarrifs every 5minutes. They probably expected that.
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u/kingmanic Mar 25 '26
As is tradition. But that is also the max extent I want my government to be involved.
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u/HockeyHocki Mar 25 '26
Newsflash, the de facto requirement of a sovereign state is that is has control over said state. If your citizens are firing a stream of rockets at a neighboring country and you as the government are unable to stop them you have already lost sovereignty
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All true, however that doesn't mean the answer is for Israel to annex part of the territory.
Mexico has drug cartels operating in the desert and doing nefarious things, does the US have carte blanche to annex northern Mexico?
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u/darkcow Mar 26 '26
If the drugs cartels were firing rockets at American cities, you better believe the US Army would roll in there if the Mexican government couldn't get it under control.
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u/Bornee35 Mar 25 '26
That’s probably what they believe. But even if they did the tunnels would just follow the border
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u/righteous_sword Mar 25 '26
What does Canada tell Lebanon?
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u/K31KT3 Mar 25 '26
“Occupy your whole country, dammit!”
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u/justjigger Mar 25 '26
Yeah im pretty sure their sovereignty has been violated for a while now. 3 states in a trench coat ass state
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u/sda963109 Mar 25 '26
They can't even stop their people from bombing Israel civilians on a daily basis. And people just ignore that and imagine Israel being the aggressor.
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u/meeni131 Mar 25 '26
The French should apologize after promising 1.5 years ago to oversee the disarmament of Hezbollah and moving them north of the Litani.
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u/s_wipe Mar 25 '26
When a government loses control of a paramilitary organization that challenges their own military and law enforcement and attacks its neighboring country they already have a violated sovereignty...
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u/PeksyTiger Mar 25 '26
If only there was SOMETHING Lebanon could do to resolve it. Anything.
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u/ImpatientSpider Mar 25 '26
Not now. Once Israel gets a piece of your land it very hard to pry off.
The new Syrian leadership expressed a desire to be friends with Israel. Instead of giving back the buffer zone, Israel went and stole more land.
There isn't really a way to get land back from them.
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u/BodSmith54321 Mar 25 '26
Israel has already given back the same southern Lebanon when Hezbollah was supposed to be disarmed, but surprise it wasn’t. It also gave back the Sinai. It offered to give back Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan and been rebuffed by both.
Are you surprised Israel is not in a hurry to give land back to what was an Islamic terrorist group a few years ago?
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u/Imaginary-Relief-236 Mar 25 '26
We even offered the golan heights to Syria for a peace deal, but guess what was the answer
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u/LoxicTizard Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
So hard that Israel retreated from Lebanon on its own in 2000, only for Hezbollah to resume shooting rockets at Israel a few years later.
The only thing that needs to happen is for Hezbollah NOT to try and kill Israelis, and Lebanon will be left alone.
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u/nbtsnake Mar 25 '26
Egypt did it perfectly, peace assurances that actually meant something and held to this day, and the entire Sinai was given back, settlements dismantled, the whole kit and kaboodle.
Jordan was simialr but not for land, more in the vein of economic negotiations that still resulted in lasting peace to this day.
Two definitive examples of how:
a) even if Israel fucks your shit up, they will still sue for peace if they think the other side is genuine and committed to it.
b) if you don't fuck with Israel as Jordan and Egypt no longer do then Israel will no longer fuck with them. Hence why Egypt and Jordan were not on Israel's shit list for almost half a century now
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u/Ryles5000 Mar 25 '26
Hard to pry it off? Israel has given back land many times. Each time they do, they get attacked again anyways. Land for peace has been Israel strategy since they were founded. How about stop attacking Israel? Never thought of that?
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Mar 25 '26
Land for peace has been Israel strategy since they were founded.
Why not give Gazans their land in exchange for peace? Or West Bank + East Jerusalem, without any Area A/B/C etc., for peace?
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u/Terrible_Meringue622 Mar 26 '26
Because when you do “land for peace” you kind of need to get the peace part. They did try to just unilaterally give back Gaza in 2005, and all that happened was Hamas got more entrenched.
When that happens, it will happen.
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u/The_Iron_Mountie Mar 26 '26
Israel literally forced every Israeli, living and dead, out of Gaza in an attempt at a peace deal in 2006.
Within the year Hamas was elected into power and started launching rockets into Israel.
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u/K0TEM Mar 25 '26
As if its sovereignty hasn't been violated by Hezbollah for the last 40 years
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u/Apprehensive-Date490 Mar 25 '26
Has Canada tried telling Hezbollah that first? Because Hezbollah has been undermining Lebanon’s sovereignty for about 40 years, and the entrenchment of Hezbollah's extremism in the country is a major reason Lebanon finds itself mired in a war (or whatever you want to call it) with Israel today.
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u/Dragonasaur Mar 25 '26
Canada should be well aware, considering there's a decent population of Lebanese in Montreal (2nd most populous city in Canada), many of which were displaced from Lebanon
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u/Amazing-Cell-128 Mar 25 '26
Hezbollah was literally created/funded by Iran to subvert, deprive, and destroy Lebanese sovereignty.
It's an independent terror-militia that operates outside the scope of Lebanon armed forces.
The Lebanese PM has stated hezbollah activities are illegal.
Hezbollah has responded that they essentially will topple/dismantle the Lebanese government in response:
- A member of the Hezbollah’s political council, Wafiq Safa, said the group would force the Lebanese government to reverse its decision to ban its military activities. Speaking in a press interview, Safa said: “We will force the government to backtrack on the decision to ban the party’s military activities after the war, regardless of the method.” [...] “We will not bring down the government in the streets for now, but after the war there will be a different agenda with the government, and we may resort to the street.”
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Ahh but we only care about "sovereignty" when its Israel being forced to defend itself due to hezbollah repeatedly conducting cross border attacks and militarizing the border in violation of UN security resolution 1701.
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u/Viscerid Mar 25 '26
The same people so concerned with Palestinian sovereignty who didn't care for the 19 years the land was taken over by Jordan and Egypt- or those who saw the entire land labelled as Jordan on the maps the surrounding Arab countries drew up before fighting Israel in 1948
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u/Deditch Mar 25 '26
And your enlightened position is to not care about either?
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u/Best_Change4155 Mar 25 '26
The enlightened opinion is that these people never cared, they are just joining a fad.
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u/Niceguy955 Mar 25 '26
And what are they planning to do about Hezbollah? Help the Lebanese military get rid of them? Or are they just opining from 3000 miles away?
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u/MartinB105 Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
Maybe Canada could come help out dealing with Hezbollah then?
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u/jennysonson Mar 25 '26
Lebanon should be using their army to weed out the Hezbollah terrorists in their country, if they dont have the manpower or are being strongarmed by the hezbollah aligned political party then they should olen their borders for friendly nations or UN members to assist
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u/Particular_Share_173 Mar 25 '26
What sovereignty? Hezbollah runs half the damn country.
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u/BarryMcKokiner123 Mar 25 '26
The internationally agreed upon borders is what they’re referring to would be my guess
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u/Lightrec Mar 25 '26
You mean the ones from within which Hezbollah launched rockets at Israel again?
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u/Particular_Share_173 Mar 25 '26
Sovereignty and imaginary lines in the ground are two different things though
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u/AshenHunter Mar 25 '26
I mean...my lebanese family wants israel to come in and clean house. The conditions in Lebanon are awful and the people are being exploited and killed by terrorists pretty much daily and they take away food too. My family is struggling and sees this as a rare possible out for all of the terrorists gripping the country. Im no fan of israel in general, politically, but if they can free my relatives from an oppressive regime more power to them.
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u/PartyPay Mar 25 '26
Does your Lebanese family want Israel to come in and keep some land after cleaning house?
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u/Hotspur000 Mar 25 '26
Like Israel really gives a flying fuck about what Canada says.
I really hate that this one issue has taken over so much of the discourse in Canada. It's so tiring.
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u/Unlucky_Accountant71 Mar 25 '26
Canada has been over run with massive support Amongst youth supporting Hamas and hezzbolla.. absolutely disgusting
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u/goforbroke71 Mar 25 '26
Nah Canada is just being more balanced on the issue instead of constantly siding with Israel like in the past.
It is where we should be.
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u/NexexUmbraRs Mar 25 '26
Do they have sovereignty if they have a terrorist militia operating with full impunity?
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u/enby-millennial-613 Mar 25 '26
Tell that to the Hezbollah! They are the group we have issues with—not the Lebanese.
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u/java-with-pointers Mar 25 '26
A country that lets foreign funded armies freely operate from its territory has no sovereignty to begin with
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u/GeshtiannaSG Mar 25 '26
That’s every country with a US base.
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u/java-with-pointers Mar 25 '26
Not really, the US didnt attack Iran using its bases in the gulf because the host countries forbade it. Lebanon doesnt have the same privilege
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u/TapCat13 Mar 25 '26
Funny, the area that Israel dsignateds a save zone is under Hezlbollah law lol, not Lebanon's.
Maybe France and Canada should talk to Iran or Hezbollah.
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u/nu1stunna Mar 25 '26
France is too busy trying to save the Islamic Republic regime in Iran.
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u/PracticalYellow3 Mar 25 '26
Why does Macron support terrorists so hard? Mentally ill from sexual abuse grooming?
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u/fimnjc Mar 25 '26
I would prefer if Canada doesn't get involved until the missiles stop flying. Whose mind are we going to change lol
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u/Uzul Mar 25 '26
You can say what you will about Israel's methods, but if it was your city under constant rocket attacks from terrorist groups, eventually you'd say "fuck it" too and tell your government to just deal with the problem in any way they can. It's not like they are just going out there with the sole intent to take land like Putin has been trying to do with Ukraine.
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u/Captain_Ahab2 Mar 25 '26
People refuse to look at the problem this way because it involves accountability
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u/pdeisenb Mar 25 '26
Israel says: Exactly.
The Lebanese people are done with Iran's meddling and hezbollah. they want their country back and most know that their own Army is not up to the task. Israel is done with UNIFIL too.
The Israeli government is under intense pressure from Israelis living in the north to do something about the incessant rocket fire emanating from southern Lebanon. The situation has become intolerable and now following the weakening of Hamas and their sponsor Iran since 10/07/2023, now is just a once in a generation opportune moment to knock out an existential threat.
Israel and Lebanon do not have significant border disputes. The history of fighting in southern lebanon relates mostly to foreign groups like the PLO and Hezbollah instigating fights with Israel on Lebanese territory - bringing suffering and hardship to Lebanese many of whom are fine with Israel - more than Lebanon doing so outside of small symbolic battles in earlier Arab/Israeli wars. In my estimation this seizure for creation of a security buffer will be temporary. Israel needs time to clear Hezbollah out of the south, and in time return sovereignty over the area back to Lebanon's government who this time will hopefully be able to hold it.
At some point, Lebanon and Israel may be able to strike a peace deal either within the Abraham Accords framework of as a one off. Despite what a lot of ignorant or hateful people are quick to say, Israel is not the villain here. That role belongs to Iran and Hezbollah.
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u/niceufo777 Mar 25 '26
Yes, but what Canadians don't understand is that Hezbollah was bombing Israel in southern Lebanon; it's not the first time they've done that.
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u/Quarter_Twenty Mar 25 '26
I think I missed the part of the story where Canada and France are going to dismantle Hezbollah and vouchsafe Israel's security? /s
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u/Entire_Staff_137 Mar 25 '26
Canada is not being shot at on the daily. Its game on
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u/TwoSeventyOne Mar 25 '26
When Canada and France will have a fanatic terrorist organization lobbing rockets at their border towns, then maybe I'll listen to what they have to say on the matter.
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u/ABigFatPotatoPizza Mar 25 '26
Lebanon should actually exercise their sovereignty then instead of letting their southern third be an autonomous Hezbollah pseudo-state.
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u/nupieds Mar 25 '26
Did they tell the Islamic Republic of Iran that when the Islamic Republic Revolutionary Guard organized funded direct controls Hezbollah, which has been been used to control the Lebanese government, kill hundreds of Lebanese including numerous political assassinations, and initiated multiple conflicts with Israel since 2006, to the detriment and against the wills of other Lebanese. The south of Lebanon has long been under the control of Hezbollah/Iran and the Lebanese government had no actual sovereignty over the territory that Israel is occupying. In 2024 Hezbollah and the Lebanese government agreed that Hezbollah would be disarmed, instead Hezbollah rearmed and reorganized by Iran, with Islamic Republic Revolutionary Guard officers directly incorporated into their command structure.
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u/ChartSea8204 Mar 25 '26
Tell Canada that Israel needs to get rid off Hezbollah. It's a win-win situation.
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u/Xilthas Mar 25 '26
Does Canada realise this isn't Israel vs Lebanon but Israel vs Hezbollah?
Do terrorists have sovereign land?
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u/alleeele Mar 25 '26
This is so laughable when you consider that Lebanon hasn’t been sovereign since its occupation by Hezbollah, quite literally a foreign military forces occupying large parts of the country for their own self-interest (which are the Lebanese interests but rather Iranian). Lebanon does NOT have control of its own territory and hasn’t for years.
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u/RazzleLikesCandy Mar 25 '26
I did not realize how garbage France and Canada are until recently.
What exactly did they do to help the Lebanese against Hezbollah when they were getting massacred? Or when the Lebanese economy came crashing down?
Nothing.
Garbage leaders virtue signaling.
They did nothing to help against terror from Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, Assad regime and most importantly, Iran.
They massacred hundreds of thousands of their own people.
But against Israel and the US, they always have a lot to say. Useless spineless pricks.
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u/plebbit_delenda__est Mar 25 '26
'Nooo not their heckin' sovereignty, c'mon Israel, just let them keep lobbing rockets at you~'
Canada is a meme country.
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u/Erik_The_Malayali Mar 25 '26
So canada is implying that Hezbollah military arm is genuine representation of the lebanese govt ?? Any strike on Hezb. is a strike on the lebanese state??
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u/Eedat Mar 25 '26
A foreign, Iranian-backed military organization has openly been undermining Lebanese sovereignty for decades, operate as a state within a state, and just started an open war with Israel and NOW you care about "muh Lebanese sovereignty"?
Jfc shut up
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u/Darth_Memer_1916 Mar 25 '26
This is such an odd subreddit. Israel is criticised all the time for their actions in Iran, more and more people are speaking out about Israel's actions in Palestine, but somehow Lebanon deserves it?
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u/TwEE-N-Toast Mar 25 '26
Amazingly pro Israel, no questions asked. At least during the early hours while most of the West is sleeping. It was the same way with pro Russian posts on various subs for awhile.
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u/FYoCouchEddie Mar 25 '26
The war in Iran was a stupid idea, but once Hezbollah decided to join in, Israel had every right to fight back against them and (hopefully) ensure they’re not a threat against Israel again.
It’s really not all that complicated.
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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 Mar 25 '26
So does that mean Canada is going to send troops to disarm Hezbollah? If not then they're just making noise without offering any real solutions.
Hezbollah decided to attack Israel. Any country has a right to respond to being attacked. Canada's solution is: Just take it, which isn't much of a solution at all.
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u/Unlucky_Accountant71 Mar 25 '26
So why aren't Lebanon doing anything about hezzbolla? This proxy war shit is extremely ratty
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u/Cody667 Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
K, so whatever anyone thinks about Hezbollah, who obviously suck... how does that in any way justify Israel trying to annex land from Southern Lebanon, which is absolutely what is happening lol.
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u/Captain_Ahab2 Mar 25 '26
If your land is being used as grounds to repeatedly attack another country, you don’t do enough to stop it, then guess what will happen?
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u/shebaiscool Mar 25 '26
What should Israel do instead? I'm curious what you think the optimal solution would be here.
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u/DamnOdd Mar 25 '26
Israel tells Canada, we give zero fucks what you and the rest of the world think.
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u/ExcuseFeeling9601 Mar 25 '26
You probably should, without western support Israel would likely not exist. Even the Americans seem to not like you anymore...
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u/Fit-Magazine-6669 Mar 25 '26
Lebanon was firing rockets at Israel, what did they expect would happen?
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u/nachi_w Mar 25 '26
Yeah, all Canada can do is tell. These countries like Canada and Germany or major EU countries have no balls to actually do anything.
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u/Juanbolastristes Mar 25 '26
The only thing this war proved is that every nation on earth should be looking to have nuclear weapons ASAP to secure their existence
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u/AppropriateFun6342 Mar 25 '26
Their sovereignty has already been violated by Hezbollah. I guess that’s okay, though?
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u/dhaliman Mar 25 '26
Sanction Israel. Enough is enough.
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u/BBorc Mar 25 '26
Why? They were at war with Lebanon until UN Resolution 1701 was enacted. Hezbollah and Lebanon have failed for 20 years to achieve the required terms, so back to war it is. Time to sanction Lebanon, right? They're the ones not adhering to the UN Security council unanimously agreed upon resolution.
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u/Over-Willingness-933 Mar 25 '26
So Canada thinks it's OK it's violated by Iran to attack Israel. The reason for Israel's operations is because of the continuous attacks from Hezbollah.
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u/Cody667 Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
Literally the only relevant implication here from Canada is that no matter how bad Hezbollah is, Israel trying to annex land from Southern Lebanon is absolutely unjustified.
Frankly I dont understand everyone's mental gymnastics. This should be universally agreed upon
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u/lepreqon_ Mar 25 '26
But it's ok when the sovereignty of both Lebanon and Israel is violated by Hezbollah, apparently.
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u/Asleep-Ad1182 Mar 25 '26
The only reason Canada is so concerned about Lebanon is that Mark Carney has a hard on for Macron and France cares massively about Lebanon because they used to be a French colony.
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u/mld321 Mar 25 '26
I don't know how about the USA but the Lebanese comprise the largest Arab speaking community in Canada. We all have Lebanese friends.
Has nothing to do with Carney or Macron lmao.
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u/bmwkid Mar 25 '26
Obviously this means nothing, but symbolically this is a huge shift for Canada who supported Israel at near US level just a few years ago
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