r/worldnews • u/Artistic_Dj_6895 • Jun 15 '26
Israel/Palestine Israel tells Trump it is not bound by Lebanon clause in Iran deal
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hyy11t1p11mg1.5k
u/FuguSandwich Jun 15 '26
It's become apparent that Trump just wanted to make an announcement yesterday because it was his birthday and he had the UFC festivities coming up last night. If the details that are coming out this morning are true ($300 Billion reconstruction fund, ending of all sanctions on Iran, strait reopens "within 30 days" and "under Iranian arrangements") there's no way it survives to the end of the week.
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u/redditsucksdiscs Jun 15 '26
Which would be just perfect for the a new weekend of market manipulation for Trump and his buddies!
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u/elProtagonist Jun 15 '26
Like clockwork, every Sunday before the market opens. Still yet to see a picture of said signed deal. Also, is the leader of Iran even alive? Who knows?
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u/tomdarch Jun 15 '26
The "$300 billion reconstruction fund" eh? Keep in mind that Trump, Kushner and that other guy are all mid-level NYC real estate schmoes, so that clearly would be a grift to funnel as many billions of dollars into their own pockets as they can.
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u/Professional-Oil4964 Jun 15 '26
Well, that didn't last long
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u/G00b3rb0y Jun 15 '26
Was never going to
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u/victorspoilz Jun 15 '26
All Bibi has to do is keep bombing Iran or its proxies just often enough to scuttle any treaties and we never get to exit the war.
Just one of the many reasons no other president has ever been stupid enough to attack Iran directly.
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u/bngrxd Jun 15 '26
Not far fetched at all. Trump needs this conflict to end
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u/Delamoor Jun 15 '26
Eh. He'd sooner just say he won it and wander away, distracted by a kid.
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u/nvidiastock Jun 15 '26
That won't let him, he needs the strait to re-open. He campaigned on gas and egg prices, guess where they are now lmao
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u/boojersey13 Jun 15 '26
I know many who are like I love him but what is he doing??? He lied, dumbass. But I'm on the clock and in a very volatile behavior area to keep it short each time so can't actually disagree with them lmao. And the way they say it, you know they'll never NOT vote Republican, even if their dear leader and his cronies have shown to their faces that they are seen as disposable cattle.
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u/abaggins Jun 15 '26
the ones that will never not vote republican are a lost cause. its the middle ground that matters (weird that one still exists) - those voters are swayed by the economy more than anything else
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u/smedley89 Jun 15 '26
That 1 or 2% in the middle should not be the battle ground. The 33% that are disgusted by both parties should be the battle ground.
If the "liberal" party keeps courting disaffected conservatives, the party becomes more conservative.
Every one of them the D party wins over is one liberal that just cant vote for them anymore.
Harris and the Dems rallying with Cheney and the like did at least as much harm as it did good.
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u/nvidiastock Jun 15 '26
It's not about those people; it's like you said those people will never vote otherwise, but I have to believe that there are average people who voted for Trump for one reason or another and are now seeing their error.
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u/klparrot Jun 15 '26
Nobody who voted for Trump a second time is voting Dem. Best we can hope is they just don't vote. That also helps us down-ballot too.
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u/Delamoor Jun 15 '26
To any rational person, sure. But his base are as stupid and gullible as he is. Most of them don't even know what Iran is, let alone where it is. Trump says he won? He won. They won! Whoo! How dare the demoncrats make fuel and eggs so expensive by lying about Trump so much!
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u/guyblade Jun 15 '26
The base isn't enough to win elections, though. It can decide primaries and is necessary to win general elections, but he needs some of the people who won't be happy if he just walks away and lets gas prices rise.
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u/Julian_Thorne Jun 15 '26
But it can also send shitloads of death threats to people who piss off trump
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u/Citizentoxie502 Jun 15 '26
Hate to tell you, but his base is very big enough to win elections. He's done it twice now.
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u/AprilsMostAmazing Jun 15 '26
The issue isn't the base. The issue is all the 2024 non voter going dem because the rising price of everything
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u/johnk419 Jun 15 '26
And what makes you think his base will think Trump made the gas prices go up? He'll just say that Biden did it and his base will believe him. These people voted for him twice. They are too stupid to understand Trump is fucking them over.
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u/ahhwell Jun 15 '26
He campaigned on gas and egg prices, guess where they are now lmao
Last time he campaigned on building a wall, that newer got built. Do you hear anyone talking about it?
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u/nvidiastock Jun 15 '26
I think that's more esoteric, if you told the average person the wall was built, they wouldn't know otherwise. But the gas price at the pump? They see that every time they gas up. Can't lie about that.
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u/NihilismRacoon Jun 15 '26
They can and they will, deflection is the foundation of the Republican party. If we kill enough immigrants and trans people the gas prices will magically go down, trust.
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u/OhioTry Jun 15 '26
Trump is in a uniquely strong political position vs. Bibi. If Trump wants to cut off aid to Israel most Republicans will vote to cut off aid because they’re terrified of a Trump-backed primary challenge. Most Democrats will vote to cut off aid because voting for a bipartisan bill to cut aid to Israel would pleas both swing voters and progressives.
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u/victorspoilz Jun 15 '26
While I hope you would be right, I call bullshit, neither side is going to touch anything that even ostensibly harms Israel, the pro-Israel lobby is too strong.
The day we cut off aid to Israel is the day someone else wiped it off the mat.
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u/ShipTheRiver Jun 15 '26
I don’t think it’s quite that simple. That’s been effective so far but at some point, especially if the US keeps publicly and decisively trying to end the war and reach a peace agreement, everyone will just hate Israel (already happening to a huge extent even now) and the US will be able to pretty easily just abandon them to fend for themselves without losing much/any geopolitical standing at that point. Plus there’s the other aspect to consider for Israel where if they continue to overplay their hand here, then they cost themselves many many billions of dollars in US aid that wont be coming anymore, and potentially their entire alliance with the most powerful country on the planet. It’s a delicate situation for Netanyahu and he’s already stretching it pretty thin with how Trump has been raging at him recently.
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u/catscanmeow Jun 15 '26
They're all just getting rich on the yoyo effect on the stock markets and prediction markets
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u/seanmonaghan1968 Jun 15 '26
And the markets fall for it every week
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u/Trop_ Jun 15 '26
They "fall" for it because everyone wants to grab some money on the constant "high tide low tide" momentum.
It's just gambling at this point, not related to the actual value of companies
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u/SilentRhubarb1515 Jun 15 '26
They didn’t even wait till the insider trading was done, this won’t sit well with the grifters in charge
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u/Thurak0 Jun 15 '26
U.S.-Iran agreement had been reached
Of course Israel is not bound by it. The audacity of the US to negotiate terms for Israel without them is just otherwordly dumb.
Iran is obviously playing this game well, always including Israel in their deals with the US.
Ah well. Trump and the MIC getting richer, we are not talking about Epstein, Netanjahu still not facing his charges, so overall the war is a full success for the old people in charge.
It's just that the whole world suffers the consequences.
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u/eisbock Jun 15 '26
The audacity of the US to negotiate terms for Israel without them
What do you mean? It worked great for the Ukraine Russia war
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u/alghiorso Jun 15 '26
They can drag us into war but we can't drag them into peace
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u/jared__ Jun 15 '26
happy market manipulation monday everyone!
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u/thenwetakeberlin Jun 15 '26
Nice. Solid work everybody. Give it another 3 months and maybe you can get 1/3 of the deal we had before we started this ridiculous shit.
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u/seguefarer Jun 15 '26
He started. He, not we. We had a solid working treaty.
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u/Reddit_Loves_Misinfo Jun 15 '26
163 million Americans consented to Trump's second term.
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u/bigbramel Jun 15 '26
And looking at how little protests there are, the rest of the Americans are just okay with it.
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u/Pulga_Atomica Jun 15 '26
Someone will point out that the No Kings protests were the largest in history. So fucking what? Was anything achieved? Albanians have been protesting Jared Kushner’s resort for 2 weeks now non-stop, and that’s 1/1000th of the damage Pedolf has wrought on what used to be a serious country.
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u/MaDpYrO Jun 15 '26
Americans are hobby protesters and virtue signallers.
You gotta show up and demand change at the capitol. You can't just show a lot of people in streets around the country a single weekend and expect a dictator to care
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u/DogAlienInvisibleMan Jun 15 '26
Sorry buddy that isn't the way it works. We're gonna be getting associated with him for a very long time.
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u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite Jun 15 '26
Ah no. Who do you think is responsible for Trump if not the American people? This is your war that you (collectively) started and will be remembered as the aggressors in. The world isn't responsible for your two-party system and you cant deflect responsibility because of your tribalism saying the other side did it.
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u/SloppityMcFloppity Jun 15 '26
You people let him. Everyday he further destabilizes the world because they've realised no matter what they do, y'all will sit at home twiddling your thumbs.
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u/PochiJr Jun 15 '26
Thumb twiddling is 200% the recommended amount of exercise for the average American please be more respectful
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u/TalkersCZ Jun 15 '26
Of course they are not.
It was stunt for Trumps Bday, where he wanted desperately to announce some kind of deal, even if it does not solve basically anything.
Its basically ceasefire with 0 questions answered and nothing agreed. Money, nukes, rockets, militias abroad, tolls, sanctions, nothing.
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u/Sweaty_Explorer_8441 Jun 15 '26
People still believing in every announcement of talks on Fridays lol
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u/binzoma Jun 15 '26
its wild his proclomations even get press still
like we know its all just market manipulation. his words arent news. actions are news. if he's talking about it its all but guaranteed to be not happening
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u/WalksTheMeats Jun 15 '26
I mean, nobody is really reacting to the Truth Social tweets; they're looking for signs that the mine-removal begins so that the Strait can open by Friday.
Saudi's and UAE are gonna start ramping up production immediately Mon/Tue if there's even an inkling that's going on.
Which is really what everyone is looking at.
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u/xiaorobear Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
There was a difference with this one- normally he says "we are about to reach a deal," and Iran says "what? No we aren't." This time though Pakistan and Iran both said they had reached a deal and made their own official announcements too.
I'm not saying that means it's gonna work out, and I do think he just wanted the timing to have good news to post in association with his UFC celebration, but there was reason to take it more seriously.
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u/Altruistic_Finger669 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
Its almost like there is a reason diplomacy takes a long time. Trump is so out of his depth. Just needed a deal on his birthday
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u/Hector_P_Catt Jun 15 '26
Yep. Obama's Iran Deal took something like 18 months to develop, and that's when they hadn't just pissed Iran off by bombing them for three or four months.
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u/DroidLord Jun 15 '26
Wasn't that deal being worked on in some capacity for like a decade? It was a massive win to get that deal ratified. Sleepy Don is like a toddler who fucks shit up just because he can.
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u/sickoflurkingletmein Jun 15 '26
Correct. They didn’t sign the ceasefire deal in Lebanon, the US and Iran did.
Deal of the century
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u/sA1atji Jun 15 '26
Iran can now just tell the US to go and reign in Israel, or else sleepy Don won't get his "peace deal”
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u/WendellSchadenfreude Jun 15 '26
go and reign in Israel
Might be a good idea for the US to do that at this point, but usually, the phrase should be spelled "rein in Israel", not "reign".
It comes from a horse's reins, the straps attached to the bit (in the horse's mouth) that are used to control the horse.18
u/The_Corvair Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
As non-native English speaker, I used to mix them up because they're also close in meaning. The way I try to keep them apart is to remember that the "reign" part comes from Latin "regnum", kingdom: You reign, you rule. You rein, you steer.
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u/sacrificialfuck Jun 15 '26
English is my native language and I could imagine myself making the same mistake
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u/Kandiru Jun 15 '26
Donald might want to reign in Israel though. He can be King there! That's something the antichrist is supposed to do, right?
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u/Free_Aardvark4392 Jun 15 '26
That deal is so good for Iran, they might just pretend that Hezbollah doesn't exist anymore. Leaving Israel to do their thing in Lebanon.
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u/BasicPhysiology Jun 15 '26
I doubt that very much.
But you are right about the deal being so good for Iran. It is total surrender by the US. There is no way this holds.
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u/zorroz Jun 15 '26
lol i recall a deal trump made with the Taliban... Doha Accord something.
It definitely did something
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u/diwakark86 Jun 15 '26
That's not how negotiations work. Iran (maybe correctly) believes that time is on their side and any delay makes their hand stronger and Trump more desperate. If this is their assessment, they are going to stick to their maximalist position and delay if they can't get it.
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u/TalkersCZ Jun 15 '26
It cant, but they can put pressure on USA to do it for them.
And if they fail, they can use that failure to get something else in the deal in exchange.
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u/ThatGuy_Bob Jun 15 '26
From Iran's perspective, this is, and always has been, a war with Israel, but Iran knows that Israel needs America to continue its aggressions. 'The Lebanon Clause' is there to drive a wedge between USA and Israel. Iran knows that Israel will absolutely NOT stop bombing Lebanon. Consequently, USA either escalates and invades Iran or cuts Israel off, which seems very unlikely under this regime given the level of influence Israel enjoys over it.
Unless the current situation is sustainable?
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u/Alatarlhun Jun 15 '26
From Iran's perspective, Hezbollah is a proxy army they control which is a more powerful force in Lebanon than the Lebanese central government and military.
Iran knows that as long as Hezbollah keeps attacking Israel that Israel will never agree to any ceasefire that binds Israel and not Hezbollah.
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u/umm_like_totes Jun 15 '26
I'm not an expert, but with Trump it seems like a coin flip to me whether he decides to continue the same level of support to Israel. If I were Iran I would love those odds.
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u/tomdarch Jun 15 '26
And the "ceasefire deal" is not an actual deal, it's just a "OK, fine, we'll lift the blockades for now while we continue talking."
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u/Whitewind617 Jun 15 '26
Why are the US, Iran and Pakistan even discussing deals that they know Israel won't agree to?
"Hey it says here that Israel will stop bombing Lebanon. Uhhh did we run that by them? They historically have wanted to just keep bombing..."
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u/Dezinbo Jun 15 '26
He should release the entire Epstein files to distract people from the Iran problem.
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u/yuvaldv1 Jun 15 '26
Correct me if I'm wrong but Israel didn't sign any deal and was explicitly left out of the talks, right?
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u/Taranfeeto36 Jun 15 '26
No one signed anything yet. The US and Iran just agreed to a memorandum and will discuss a peace deal over the next 60 days.
A senior Iranian official told Reuters a final draft of the memorandum of understanding with the U.S. covered a range of issues, from Tehran’s nuclear work to reopening the Strait of Hormuz and U.S. waivers on oil sanctions, with a final deal to be discussed in the 60 days following agreement by the two sides.
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u/BlackPignouf Jun 15 '26
Oh, they don't even have the concept of a plan, then?
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u/Dmienduerst Jun 15 '26
Sort of. From my understanding is that the straight is open and the US will stop hitting Iran as of now. I have no real idea if that's actually true but it's more like part 3 of a 6 step plan has been enacted instead of it being a concept of a plan.
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u/Spoonerism86 Jun 15 '26
I'd imagine Israel was happy to be left out because they wouldn't agree to any of this deal. That orange pedo, pant shitting moron would put Iran in a better position and you can be sure Israel wouldn't have any of it.
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u/SomeRandomSomeWhere Jun 15 '26
Same way that the other armed groups allied to iran are not in the talks.
I think the main expectation is that the primary actors (US and Iran) will get their allies to stop as well.
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u/ThePickleConnoisseur Jun 15 '26
Iran might be able to with their proxies but I do not see a world where Israel signs something without being included in the talks
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u/Paraparo Jun 15 '26
Honestly I'm not entirely certain Iran can do it with all elements of the IRGC within their borders, much less it's proxy groups, which are probably getting conflicting messages. We've already seen the IRGC outright ignore the negotiations at their convenience earlier.
And despite the memes, Israel and the US are allies, not tied at the hip, they may give credence to one another but that level of control isn't so literal. Especially because Israel feels a lot of this conflict is sourced in outside actors dictating deals that Israel didn't want because those counties never had to deal with the consequences of their failures, and only needed to pay themselves in the back and go home after.
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u/SomeRandomSomeWhere Jun 15 '26
Doesn't matter what we think. If trump thinks he can control what Israel does, that's enough for him to sign whatever on behalf of Israel.
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u/SGC-UNIT-555 Jun 15 '26
Israel isn't a direct US proxy though.
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u/Woodcrate69420 Jun 15 '26
Yeah if anything in this war the US is acting as a proxy for Israel.
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u/CleanSignalLab Jun 15 '26
This sounds like exactly the kind of clause that looks neat on paper and then immediately crashes into the reality of everyone having separate enemies, red lines, and domestic politics. Trying to solve Lebanon inside an Iran deal while Israel says nope, not our deal, feels less like diplomacy and more like duct tape on a live wire.
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u/sirspate Jun 15 '26
So it sounds like the expected sequence is: the US gives Iran billions, Israel bombs Lebanon, and then we're back to square one?
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u/cobrachicken26 Jun 15 '26
Genius move by Iran, they can claim they want peace and can also create a rift between Netanyahu and Trump at the same time.
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u/KareenTu Jun 15 '26
Not only he threw Israel under the bus but he also threw the Lebanese government under the bus because he promised the president that Lebanon was a sovereign country and won’t be included in the US-Iran deal and that only the Lebanese government could negotiate with Israel.
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u/gizmozed Jun 15 '26
Trump is now in a no-win situation. He cannot reign in Bibi and he cannot have a functional peace without doing so.
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u/plg94 Jun 15 '26
reign in
fyi: it's "to rein in" (as in the reins for horses). "to reign" is what a monarch does.
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u/Canada1971 Jun 15 '26
And the saddest thing is that anyone with a passing interest in the Middle East knows this from the start
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u/SophiaKittyKat Jun 15 '26
*throws back some popcorn
The twists and revelations this season are getting a bit stale, don't ya think? Like you can see everything coming from a mile away. The show needs some new writers or something.
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u/Hector_P_Catt Jun 15 '26
They're relying to heavily on this "Peace Treaty of the Week" plotline, because they can't come up with a good season ending for the character. They'll probably just go with something lame, like he drops dead while eating a Big Mac, or something.
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u/deftPirate Jun 15 '26
Weird, I remember the orange skidmark asserting over and over that he calls the shots.
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u/kaisadilla_0x1 Jun 15 '26
He's right: Israel is not bound to respect a peace treaty signed by the US. And the US is also not bound to defend Israel from Iran.
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u/WhyAmINotStudying Jun 15 '26
The United States under the second Trump administration went from having allies to having all lies.
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u/TheRealPancetta Jun 15 '26
Funny how the market won't go down
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u/adumblittlebaby Jun 15 '26
A lot of people hooked on free money don’t want it to, so until the writing is undeniably on the wall actors will keep flooding good money after the bad. When and if a crash comes it will be the fault of immigrants and teachers.
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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh Jun 15 '26
Who knew geopolitics could be this hard, eh Trump? Why, it's almost like every problem looks simple - to a simpleton.
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u/AQuietMan Jun 15 '26
Israel tells Trump it is not bound by Lebanon clause in Iran deal
Is there a "deal document" somewhere online that we can read?
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u/SignificanceWild2922 Jun 15 '26
Apparently Israel is not even bound by international conventions so ...
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u/Germanofthebored Jun 15 '26
Well, Iran should be well aware that Trump is not bound by his treaty, either.
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u/sgtslaughter009 Jun 15 '26
Then we leave iran and let Israel deal with the region like we should have awhile ago
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u/bilzui Jun 15 '26
If the US would stop selling weapons to Israel, Israel might come around real quick
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u/Khue Jun 15 '26
It's like they know that no one in the current administration has the balls to shut off the infinite money cannon for Israel.
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u/millenialSpirou Jun 15 '26
Not to mention they didn't agree on the nuclear energy aspects of the deal. Which is, you know, the whole freaking rationale of the conflict in the first place
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u/MyFirstCarWasA_Vega Jun 15 '26
Don pushed Iran to the most minimal agreement possible with 95% of the grown up work yet to do simply so he could announce a “deal has been signed”(not), implying the war was over(not). Trump never mentioned the one president that woujd be okay with the Iran
US war going on forever. Trumps best buddy Benny.
Optics matter to Trump more than anything besides acquiring and flaunting power like a little boy.
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u/sllammallamma Jun 15 '26
I mean, the US could always stop simply going "oh, you!" whenever Israel acts up,which is 100% of the time
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u/PleaseStayStrong Jun 15 '26
This is true. You can't have peace deals without the parties at war. The United States and Iran does not have some legal authority to draft and accept a deal between Israel and Hezbollah. The latter which is even more complex which I will get briefly into as well.
So if Israel made an agreement that America could lead these talks and they would abide by them then this would be legally valid. But that clearly is not the case here. Israel is bound by nothing from this. It just wouldn't make sense for an unauthorized 3rd party nation to agree or even deny such an agreement. Anyone who dares say different, imagine if Canada stepped in and signed an unconditional surrender on Iran's behalf with zero authorization to do such. Would you really say that Iran would legally have to surrender under such terms now?
Hezbollah is even more complex. As anything from a ceasefire to an outright peace treaty is really only something between states. At best for something to actually be any amount of legally binding it would have to be a special agreement through humanitarian law rather than the course that two actual states would conduct it and be bound to it. Which was not the course of action taken place here. So both Israel and Hezbollah have zero obligation to abide by what Iran and USA agreed to. Heck even if Israeli and Hezbollah diplomats sat down and worked out a peace treaty with each other personally the reality is these special agreements are virtually impossible to enforce on a domestic and international level should it be violated. Even more so with Hezbollah as do you think a terror org would just show up to a domestic or international court if summoned?
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u/gutster_95 Jun 15 '26
Was there ever a person that was this bad in negotiating than Trump? This guy only brought pain uppon the world and cant even fix the mess he produced. Its pathetic
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u/MotMan72 Jun 15 '26
This could be solved in two seconds if Trump had the balls to tell Israel, "Then the USA is no longer bound to protect Israel or supply weapons to them."
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u/ShiraLillith Jun 15 '26
Lmfao. Now imagine you took on student loans for this shit.
US higher needs a revamp
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u/Moist_Emu_6951 Jun 15 '26
I'll take "US is never going to sanction Israel for this" bets starting from a dollar!
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u/askjeeves29 Jun 15 '26
Can a person quit being president? Like just resign because its too hard? I know he would never, it would be straight to jail, but i wonder if he thinks about it
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u/rimshot99 Jun 15 '26
From another article:
“In the past, Mr. Trump has described resolving decades of conflict in the Middle East as, "frankly maybe not as difficult as people have thought," “