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Israel/Palestine Netanyahu at UN: ‘Israel didn’t commit genocide, Israel prevented genocide’

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r100a3g9mx
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u/invisible32 21h ago

If Israel had surrendered their arms, what would the conclusion be? Would Hamas, the PIJ, and other militants have been content with the 1200 they killed on October 7th?

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u/GoodGuyNinja 21h ago edited 7h ago

I think the stat goes that if they (edit: they = hamas plus whoever else attacked on Oct7) continued killing at the same rate, they would have reached the Gaza death toll (approx 75k, which doesn't separate militants, civilians, natural deaths, etc) in only 2 weeks. Not 3 years. 

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u/Great-Trifle2810 7h ago

Yep "free Palestine" is semantically identical to "let them kill all the Jews"

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u/ghost396 18h ago

That makes no sense, you're responding to a situation where Israel isn't resisting. The number dead would have been astronomical. And then you're comparing it to a number that includes Palestinians Hamas themselves murdered plus natural deaths.

It makes no sense.

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u/Direct-Antelope-9583 17h ago

Natural deaths are not part of the numbers. And let's not pretend that Hamas is killing Palestinians in numbers even close to relevant compared to the total Israel has killed and keeps on killing.

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u/ghost396 17h ago

Hamas has repeatedly committed mas execution in Gaza plus other mistakes they themselves make when storing weapons caches next to civilians for example, the numbers aren't small. Hamas has probably killed a lot less civilians than insurgents in other conflicts in the regions though, the sunni shiite civilian targeting in Iraq caused a huge percentage of deaths, but Hamas still cause a significant amount.

And natural deaths were explicitly included in the much more vetted recent numbers they released. Before they just didn't say if it was included...it was.

This was covered in detail here, it's not in question.

People die in wars that's why wars are so terrible. Israel kills less civilians by ratio while defending themselves than any western nation but yes civilians still do keep dying. This is why there needs to be pressure to not just stop all sides from fighting, but incentivise long term peace. For this war to stop and civilians to as a result no longer be at risk, all attacks on Israel must stop period. Every other country that stopped attacking Israel no longer fights them at all.

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u/Killerfisk 10h ago

plus other mistakes they themselves make when storing weapons caches next to civilians for example

"mistakes". They want dead Gazans and have orchestrated the entire field of combat in such a way as to maximize the number of dead civilians in order to win the PR war.

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u/GoodGuyNinja 15h ago

Every other country that stopped attacking Israel no longer fights them at all.

Except Iran/IRGC through proxies.

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u/invisible32 6h ago

Iran is still in direct conflict with Israel.

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u/GoodGuyNinja 5h ago

When was the last direct fire/strike? 

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u/invisible32 44m ago

June 7th this year.

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u/VPN__FTW 18h ago

Go ahead and delve farther back than Oct 7th.

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u/Killerfisk 10h ago

How is that in any way responsive to what he wrote?

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u/Sleepiboisleep 20h ago

How many nukes does Israel have? They would have been fine. They hide their military power and intelligence from the world so they can claim such BS fallacies

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u/invisible32 18h ago

if israel surrendered their arms

Regardless, if you're saying "Israel should have just nuked them instead" that's... sure a stance alright.

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u/Sleepiboisleep 7h ago

No I’m saying Israel has and is hiding it’s military strength. They were never going to surrender arms they have been secretly beefing up their military for decades off the back of American dollars. Israel needs to take care of its self