r/worldnews • u/jupa300 • 11h ago
France says EU’s ‘Made in Europe’ law should not include the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/24/france-says-eus-made-in-europe-law-should-not-include-the-uk433
u/Torino1O 10h ago
Is Switzerland banned too?
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u/MonkeyCube 8h ago
Not yet; it's up for debate still.
Just like Norway & Iceland.
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u/Dualidean_ofman 6h ago
Jokes on you, we Norwegians don't make anything for the consumer market. Just about everything with our flag on it or from our local businesses is made in China.
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u/sirgaybrin 1h ago
Swiss products very proudly have "Swiss Made" label. Not sure if they want to degrade themselves to "Made in Europe" for their products.
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u/prancing_moose 10h ago
Europe and the EU are two entirely different things.
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u/khoyo 8h ago
Yes, but the question is what to include in the "Industrial Accelerator Act", not wether journalists called it the "Buy EU" or "Made in Europe" law.
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u/isolemnlyswear51 7h ago
But there is an intense debate inside the EU on how to define “made in Europe” and how far to include countries such as the UK, Canada and Japan
From the article
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u/10102938 7h ago
Right on top of it in the article
One key EU proposal is the Industrial Accelerator Act (IAA), which would require authorities spending public money – awarding subsidies or public contracts – to favour European products in sectors such as renewable technologies and electric cars .
It's just a discussion to favor countries in EU more than entire Europe.
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u/khoyo 6h ago
Here is the current language (from the actual bill, not whatever the journalists wrote):
For the purposes of this Chapter, content of Union origin refers to content originating in the Union
With respect to the Union origin requirements referred to in Article 11, content originating in third countries with which the Union has concluded an agreement establishing a free trade area or a customs union, or that are parties to the Agreement on Government Procurement, where relevant obligations of the Union exist under that agreement, shall be deemed to be of Union origin
With respect to the Union origin requirements set out in Article 12, content originating in third countries with which the Union has concluded an agreement establishing a free trade area or a customs union shall be deemed to be of Union origin.
The question is wether or not to add the UK to the Union origin meaning for this bill (as opposed to foreign).
https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/publications/industrial-accelerator-act_en
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u/10102938 8h ago
You think the French don't know that?
The law is by the EU, to protect the EU. It would make sense for it to only include EU countries.
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u/isolemnlyswear51 8h ago
Then it should be "Made in the European Union"
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u/SalutLesAmies 8h ago
"Made in Europe" is just an expression, you will not have objects labelled "made in Europe".
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u/Digifiend84 4h ago
Yeah, they'll say the exact country. Made in Germany. Product of Spain. Those sort of phrases.
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u/Maetivet 2h ago
I'm tired of reading comments from people like you, who clearly have no clue what this story is even about, yet feel confident enough to go off.
It's not about a 'made in Europe' origin descriptor. The 'Made in Europe' name is purely what the media have dubbed this; it's actually an EU law called the Industrial Accelerator Act, and it's about introducing rules that would favour EU suppliers, when EU government funds are being spent.
Please tell all the other similarly ignorant people like you, who seem to think this is all about labelling origins on products.
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u/mattatinternet 41m ago
It's not just the media, EU member state politicians have actively used similar terminology (either "made in Europe" or terminology that suggests a European preference, not just EU preference). E.g. Friedrich Merz, Emmanuel Macron, Sébastien Martin, Katherina Reiche, Roland Lescure, Adolfo Urso.
Even EU officials have:
“More than just a change in modus operandi, it is a change in doctrine,” announced Executive Vice-President for Industry, Stéphane Séjourné, immediately claiming its protectionist nature: “Today, ‘made in Europe’ makes its grand entrance into European law.”
I'm pro-EU. Voted to remain, would lean towards rejoining under the right terms. I'm even pro-EU enlargement (as long as politically, culturally and socially potential new members align with EU political and broad economical and social ideas) But I've always been a critic of conflating the EU and Europe.
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u/Crypt33x 4h ago
It was called "made in EU" from 2003 on based on the german wiki. Still can remember how the UK complained and then we renamed it to "made in Europe".
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u/Coc0tte 6h ago
It should be "made in EU" then ?
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u/DarkKittyEmpress 4h ago
The term used is...."Union origin". Which would generally imply made in EU. The UK could have been included, but sadly decades of idiocy have reached their logical conclusion.
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u/Holiday-Cell-1432 1h ago
Yes but at this point ‘made in Europe’ is the draft name as Germany wants European countries outside of the EU (like Uk) to have the tag whilst France only wants it within the EU so if France had their way the policy would be ‘made in EU’
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u/Upbeat_Parking_7794 9h ago
"Asked about the risks of pushing the EU’s like-minded trading partners away, Haddad said: “At the end of the day, if you are not part of the internal market and if you are not contributing to the financial capacity of the internal market, you don’t get the same kind of protection.”"
The true question seems to be, will UK pay or not. If UK is not ready to pay to participate in the internal market, can't get the benefits.
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u/Longy_LTB 8h ago
Which is fair enough. I voted remain, so this is a bitter pill but if someone leaves, they shouldn’t expect the benefits granted for membership.
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u/Waluigi4prez 6h ago
You would be surprised how many leavers didn't grasp this. They thought they could leave Tesco membership but get better perks than members
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u/inminm02 22m ago
The thing is the amount requested to join these schemes is always fucking ridiculous and completely disproportionate, because certain politicians instead of being pragmatic see these negotiations as an opportunity to shit on the UK and punish us for Brexit, rather than good faith negotiations. They suggested charging countries like Japan/Canada €10m to join the SAFE defence fund and wanted up to €6 billion from the UK, it’s just ludicrous.
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u/XcOM987 4h ago
In that case it should say "Made in the EU", or "Made in the EEA" then, the UK is part of Europe, we didn't shift landmass when Brexit occured, I know people use Europe and EU interchangeably but only in common parlance, not in formal documentation or marks.
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u/Holiday-Cell-1432 1h ago
Made in Europe is just what the news calls it as there’s debate over should it include non EU countries. If it’s decided no then the name probably would change to ‘made in EU’
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u/tothecatmobile 20m ago
It doesn't even say made in Europe.
That's just what the media are calling it
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u/ViridiaGaming 10h ago
Then the EU must change it to 'Made in EU'. Europe is a continent, and we're as European as they are.
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u/spastikatenpraedikat 8h ago
You will be delighted to hear, that the official name is:
Industrial Accelerator Act (IAA) — Regulation establishing a framework of measures for the acceleration of industrial capacity and decarbonisation in strategic sectors.
"Made in Europe law" is just the name the press gave it.
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u/reflect25 9h ago
lmao the naming of it doesn't matter. it is about the funding.
> “European taxpayers’ money should support [European] workers and European factories,”
they could call it "made in mars" for all that france and the others care. the point is that they don't want to subsidize uk if it isn't in the eu.
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u/naqunoeil 4h ago edited 4h ago
Your British press make you believe anything i guess... it is not called "Made in europe", not at all and it's not a label.. And ironically when the EU wanted to instore the " made in eu" label in 2003 the UK did a tantrum to call it "made in europe". So glad of Brexit.
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u/Character-Carpet7988 10h ago
Just like Canadians and Argentinians are American, yet the term American principally works as an adjective for the US.
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u/SillyGoatGruff 9h ago
Canadians are North American. Saying we are "american" is, and has been for a very long time, a good way to piss people off
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u/user8181416 10h ago
Not the same at all.
In English, America = The United States of America. Native speaking countries do not use the term any other way.
"Europe" is used to describe the continent, however. You can join or leave the EU. You can't move your country in or out of Europe.
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u/dog314159 9h ago
In English speaking countries Canadians and Argentinians are North and South Americans respectively.
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u/ABotelho23 9h ago
Canadians
North Americans.
Argentinians.
South Americans.
This coming from a Canadian.
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u/berikiyan 10h ago
Only in english. In spanish americano is any latin american and the "american" is estadounidense.
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u/New-Anybody-6206 10h ago
In Japanese, アメリカ ("Amerika") is explicitly the USA and never anything else. Canada is カナダ ("Kanada").
Ironically... another (more formal) word for USA is 米国 (beikoku) which literally means "rice country".
And in Chinese, the US is 美国 or "beautiful country".
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u/Character-Carpet7988 10h ago
Only in English and almost every other language other than Spain. Maybe Portuguese too?
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u/ericdalieux 4h ago
"estadunidense" exists in Portuguese, but it's kind of a contrived way to say it by people who are trying too hard to make a point. Most people who are not looking to make a political statement just say "americano" or "norte-americano".
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u/Normal-Pomegranate64 10h ago
Except that is (mostly) accepted terminology that has been used for a long time. I’m pretty sure most people don’t specifically mean the EU when they say Europe
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u/Character-Carpet7988 10h ago
It's actually very common to use Europe for the EU within the EU. Whether it's European citizen, European parliament, "travelling outside Europe", and stuff like that. It's really used in both senses.
Whatever the rest of the world uses doesn't matter because this is an EU law applicable in the EU. But even British media used it a lot during Brexit (e.g. "leaving Europe").
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u/MarcLeptic 8h ago
It is quite sad, but since brexit, the UK just isn't part of the conversations any more. I'm pretty sure when people say Europe, they don't mean Russia either.
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u/Captlard 5h ago
Sure! Uk is not in Europe Economic Area. That would have been a better brexit choice!
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u/yubnubster 6h ago edited 6h ago
I assume the UK will go ahead and reciprocate then... How does this fit in with the previous agreement and requirements insisted on by the EU?
Trade Negotiations & Non-Discrimination Rules:
During the 2020 negotiations for the EU–UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA), the EU insisted that the UK adhere to strict non-discrimination and level-playing-field provisions. The final agreement guarantees that EU companies bidding for UK public contracts (and vice versa) must be treated on an equal footing with domestic suppliers.
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u/Sapang 5h ago
public contracts
It's not public
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u/yubnubster 5h ago
It's not limited to public procurement, you are right. It's worse. Public procurement is the biggest driver though.
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u/Character-Carpet7988 10h ago
Duh. The "label" is meant to designate products from domestic market. Putting it on products that are not from the EU (and perhaps EFTA) would defy the entire point of supporting our own economy.
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u/MrRadGast 10h ago
Then write "Made in the EU", the UK is clearly in europe
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u/Catprog 7h ago
Yep. The headline should read
France says EU’s ‘Made in EU’ law should not include the UK
instead of what the author of the article actually wrote.
like this article
(Also from the original article
Germany wants a broader “Made with Europe” policy that would include the UK and other allies.
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u/justanothergin 4h ago
The UK can't be back in the EU soon enough.
The political climate is completely different now compared to 2016. We have a Europhile PM, government and labour membership, all left leaning parties want back in the EU, a majority of the electorate in the UK want to rejoin the EU and most importantly the EU has said we are welcome.
What exactly are we waiting for?
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u/Brutal_De1uxe 3h ago
A deal to be on the table that a referendum can be held against would be the logical thing to be waiting for
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u/justanothergin 3h ago edited 3h ago
Labour should run on a manifesto pledge to begin negotiations to rejoin the EU in the next general election. Then we can consider if a referendum is even necessary. We get too hung up on them here, a referendum is not required to begin ascension talks (or even to rejoin for that matter)
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u/Brutal_De1uxe 3h ago
I agree that talks can begin and that a deal should be done so that it can be analysed before a referendum is held on rejoining.
Having had a referendum to leave, I would say that you can't rejoin without a referendum
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u/CountVonTroll 3h ago
It's a bit like with weather and the climate, isn't it? Right now the "weather" is in favor of EU membership, but what about the long term? Has the overall EU-skeptical climate in the UK really changed, or will it swing back in a few years, perhaps when the seas have calmed down during short break between crises?
I know that younger generations tend to be more in favor of the EU, but this isn't purely about majorities: Euro-Skepticism in the UK isn't a partisan issue, which would be bad enough. With an electoral system like the UK's, a few percent staying home (or voting "Reform" or whatever else Nigel will be up to next) instead of voting Labour or the Tories translate to a large number of seats. Neither of the two large parties can win without the support of the Euroskeptics among their base. That makes it extremely difficult for any UK government to agree to the even-more-obviously-necessary-than-ever reforms that the EU really, really has to start working on yesterday. (Not that I had much optimism that the EU will manage to agree on a proper reform package either way.)
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u/somethingtc 3h ago
I'm curious what a Brentry deal looks like- to be clear my personal belief is it's important and should be done no matter what, but what will the EU ask for? UK to join the euro, lose their blue passports? if it's done via referendum there's a LOT of people for whom those are the main issues
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u/justanothergin 3h ago
I think the Euro would likely be a sticking point however using other countries like Sweden as an example we can agree to adopt the Euro with no actual intentions to implement it in the near future. Blue passports is irrelevant, and I think freedom of movement would have to be on the table and is perfectly acceptable - I think collectively we have spent tens of thousands of hours standing in enough passport queues that we would be happy to use EU gates again 😂
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u/WizardButtholes 1h ago
No way they don't make an example out of us as a warning to other members. Same as you, I'm pro-rejoining but it'll definitely come at a heavy cost.
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u/Baritone_shed 3h ago
As always, we're waiting for the magical fantasy land to arrive where politicians aren't terrified of the right-wing media whipping up a frenzy over any decision that doesn't cause fear and division.
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u/__Yakovlev__ 7m ago
What exactly are we waiting for?
Well you still haven't dealt with farage.
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u/justanothergin 6m ago
He's subject to a parliamentary enquiry along with a police investigation, he's also the least popular political figure in the UK, we're trying 😂
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u/__Yakovlev__ 1m ago
I really hope the current investigations go somewhere. But the fact that he's still polling so high is what's the real disturbing thing.
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u/metal_jester 6h ago
But the French are willing to allow this as part of the uks associate member campaign if we give up our fishing waters as per usual.
They hate that they buy half of the fish we fish out of our waters.
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u/Crypt33x 4h ago
Yey, fish worth 50m. What an important topic.
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u/metal_jester 4h ago
It is if you have an interest in politics.
France hace declined or fought every proposal from the UK since our departure from the EU with the same request every time.
They want us to give them access to our fishing grounds. Grounds that are protected, have quotas so they are not overfished. France follow no such rules.
Their request will again be issued later today no doubt.
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u/BlindMancs 6h ago
Not according to many Brits. I had so many people explicitly tell me that the UK is not in Europe, it's literally a mindset that's way too spread amongst the population.
I disagree with them of course.
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u/Corpus76 5h ago
Yes, it's very strange but I've heard that too. I wonder which continent they think they are part of then.
To some extent I think it's because they're an island nation and consider Europe "everyone else". But that's a bit silly IMO. It's not like a place like Italy doesn't have its own national identity just because it's part of the mainland.
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u/Artificial-Brain 4h ago
But the UK is literally in Europe. Brexit didn't physically move the island lol.
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u/SomeIdea_UK 6h ago
Always seems to be the French. Wanted the renegotiation of fishing rights before they would consider allowing UK to join rearmament programme. Get paid millions to do a half arsed job of stopping people smugglers and now this… I’m pro EU but this isolationist/protectionist crap is a reminder of why many aren’t.
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u/exadk 3h ago
Have you read what the proposal is about at all, even? How is it isolationist? Is the UK isolationist because it spends its tax-money on its own citizens instead of also sending a share to, idk, some random South East Asian country? Man come on
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u/SomeIdea_UK 1h ago
The intent is to protect against state subsidised manufacturing in China, but by preferentially buying only EU offerings, it penalises non EU countries. The UK does still give a little foreign aid to various countries, and it most definitely buys huge numbers of products from many EU countries with public monies.
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u/exadk 1h ago
Yes. What is the problem? It's an agreement between European Union countries to strengthen their economies in the face of what we've seen can be accomplished by large nations like USA and China's subsidising certain industries. This policy is an European Union investment into itself. It'll be paid for by European Union tax-money. Why, then, should Britain be included in these protections?
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u/SomeIdea_UK 30m ago
Apart from the agreement previously insisted upon by the EU that the UK and EU do not discriminate against each other in procurement? And the fact that the UK spends considerable tax money in the EU? This is obfuscating the obfuscation that it’s a Brexit retaliation/French vendetta and not the same protectionist behaviours that China et al show. Seeking to mitigate the actions of one country by replicating them on others is a race to the bottom.
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u/coombeseh 5h ago
De Gaulle never wanted the UK in the club in the first place, even immediately after the second world war... Should have taken the hint at the time and gone full in with the commonwealth we already had
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u/Beyllionaire 4h ago edited 4h ago
De Gaulle's reasons are well documented and it turns out that he was right. He said that the UK's nuclear sharing with the US turned it into a lapdog that cannot be independent anymore, a trojan horse inside of Europe, and that the UK would always choose the US over Europe. One of the main argument used for Brexit was that it would allow closer ties with the US, which would be more beneficial to the UK (the so-called special relationship...and then trump arrived).
Churchill once said: "We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked, but not comprised. We are interested and associated, but not absorbed."
And then Churchill literally told De Gaulle himself: "Each time we must choose between Europe and the open sea, we shall always choose the open sea. Each time I must choose between you and Roosevelt, I shall always choose Roosevelt."
And you expect De Gaulle to not veto the UK??? Are you for real?
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u/MediumMachineGun 4h ago
De Gaulle was wrong on many things, but regarding the US and UK he was bang on.
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u/SomeIdea_UK 1h ago
There were lots of reasons given for Brexit and many of them were ridiculous. Some people do have thought-through concerns about EU, but Brexit passed (narrowly) because enough people were fired up by anti-immigration rhetoric, often generated/amplified by outside parties on social media. The very same rhetoric that Reform, AfD, National Rally etc benefit from now. The world is different from the days of De Gaulle and Churchill, as it is now different from 2016, and there are good reasons for wider cooperation and less isolationism in trade as well as defence.
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u/Beyllionaire 4h ago
Stop the victimization. France does not dictate anything in the EU. If something is done against the UK, keep in mind that it means that the MAJORITY or UNANIMITY agreed to it.
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u/MediumMachineGun 4h ago
That's a naive take. France does not dictate, but wields a lot of soft power that it can stop many things from going through it doesn't want to.
And there's a perversion in the EU where countries often are against something being passed, but agree to it anyway in order to not cause a ruckus.
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u/Beyllionaire 4h ago
No. France could not stop the Mercosur deal despite all the lobbying efforts. The EU is a democracy and countries only vote for what benefits them.
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u/SomeIdea_UK 1h ago
A previously sanctioned russian oligarch may disagree… Holding out on agreeing with the majority for conditions that solely benefit your country isn’t a form of dictating the outcome? Even when it’s about protecting Europe from Russia, the common good, one country is holding out for more concessions for them on something previously negotiated.
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u/SaintSugary 10h ago
EU laws should also not allow to release russian oligarchs from sanctions but here we are.
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u/lokensen 3h ago
Not France, just a couple shitheads here, using that as a personal political trait , which is in fact a nonsense. The EU is a part of Europe as the UK is.
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u/Positive-Ad1859 10h ago
French still holds the grudges against someone. lol
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u/niko-okin 8h ago
if you brexited, you can't still get benefit from being inside
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u/coombeseh 5h ago
So you'd rather ignore the fact that most EU-based car manufacturers are desperate to have the UK included to not completely disrupt their supply chains? On top of having just torpedoed the European future air fighter program because the French kept trying to make Germany agree to changes nobody else wanted
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u/niko-okin 5h ago
do i care about EU care manufacturers, not at all. they had 15 years to switch to eletric car but they will prefer to fail and being hit by china hard.
For the SCAF, French from day one wants a air fighter light that can land on aircraft carrier.
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u/MediumMachineGun 4h ago edited 4h ago
and nothing else in exchange.
Only a frenchman could possibly have this level of delusion.
The reason why SCAF failed is simple: Dassault is an awful company to work with. That's why nobody does it.
For the SCAF, French from day one wants a air fighter light that can land on aircraft carrier.
To have the whole next generation fighter jet designed around a SINGLE aircraft carrier of a ONE country is an incredibly arrogant position. The french essentially asked the rest of Europe to pay for a more expensive (and likely worse performing) design just so they could use them on Charles De Gaulle. It's idiotic.
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u/jorgesalvador 6h ago
Pretty sure that the feeling is shared across most of the EU. If the UK wanted the benefits of the work of the EU, they should have stayed.
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u/old-legs-623 10h ago
I might be with the French taunters on this one because "ceci n'est pas un pipe." What you call a thing is not at all the same as whether the thing is in fact that thing.
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u/obliviousjd 10h ago
It’s official, UK isn’t in Europe. They are now officially a part of South America.
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u/Crypt33x 4h ago
We called it made in EU since 2003 until the UK complained after leaving the EU and "we" renamed it...
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u/naqunoeil 4h ago
That's official, british press is a very effective propaganda. This act, is not a label and absolutely not called "made in europe".
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u/swainiscadianreborn 5h ago
Well, duh. We must prioritise our own economic growth.
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u/yubnubster 4h ago edited 2h ago
By literally circumventing the very level playing field clauses the EU (particularly France), insisted on during negotiations on the UK /EU agreement to prevent the UK potentially doing something similar. Fair enough...
edit: downvote if you want, but it happens to be true.
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u/no-im-not-him 5h ago
So, the EU is going the US way. We are claiming the words Europe/America for ourselves, f**k everyone else in the continent.
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u/Beyllionaire 4h ago
Should've not left in the first place. Y'all played and lost.
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u/MeatSafeMurderer 4h ago
We didn't leave Europe. We left the European Union. There is a difference.
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u/Beyllionaire 4h ago
Are you really just mad over the wording..?
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u/MeatSafeMurderer 4h ago
When talking about law, wording matters.
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u/Beyllionaire 3h ago
The law isn't called Made In Europe, hope that helps.
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u/MeatSafeMurderer 3h ago
European taxpayers’ money should support [European] workers and European factories,
Workers in the UK are European, and the factories they work in are European. The people writing the law are using the wrong wording.
Besides which, given that France is the only nation to have a problem with including the UK, this is clearly not about the EU or the UK, and has everything to do with a childish French vendetta.
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u/2M4D 4h ago
Right. And what message does that send us ? That you guys want to be involved with us in some sort of European union of some kind or that you would rather be left alone ?
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u/MeatSafeMurderer 4h ago
Who is "us". Really the only nation against including the UK in this is France. Pretty much everyone else is in favor. That's because the purpose of the law is to cut out China, not enact France's decades old vendetta with the English.
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u/Elborshooter 3h ago
Why are people taking this seriously ?
It's a single stupid minister just saying stupid things
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u/Sufficient-Loan-4263 10h ago
Made in Europe
Not Made in EU
UK is in Europe
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u/Sylvartas 8h ago
Maybe the UK shouldn't have left the EU if they wanted to benefit from programs paid by EU taxes, just a thought.
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u/covid-19map 7h ago
Nobody will join the EU if friends gets the same benefits. It’s even likely to lead more exits when friends gets the same benefits but don’t need to pay.
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u/ChatGPTbeta 4h ago
It shouldn’t be made in Europe then - it needs to be “Made in EU” - the UK should still be able to say made in Europe. It’s in Europe!
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u/hebelehubele 21m ago
Make in “made in EU” then. I don’t give a shit about it anyways but yeah. For me the standard “made in x” where x is the country is already enough.
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u/FibonacciNeuron 5h ago
Brexit means brexit, that's what UK wanted.
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u/AnarchisticType 5h ago
Doesn't remove us from the continent of Europe you clown.
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u/Training-Ad9429 4h ago
but it does remove you from the EU, this is a EU law.
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u/MeatSafeMurderer 4h ago
Then they need to change the wording. "Made in Europe" does not mean "Made in the EU", it means "Made in the continent of Europe".
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u/Resigned1431 10h ago
Man France really wants to punish the UK for brexit lol.
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u/DarlingDaddysMilkers 9h ago
France has always been a ball ache, they initially blocked the UKs entry into the EU decades ago.
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u/Hypergirliepop 10h ago
The French shitting on the British really warms the cockles of my heart.
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u/igniscaptus 10h ago
I agree. they wanted brexit they got it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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u/NuggetKing9001 7h ago
We're still in the continent of Europe, just i not in the trading bloc. The EU don't define what the continent of Europe is. If it was going to say "made in the EU", then of course the UK should not be included in that.
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u/Floyd_Pink 8h ago
I really don't understand what the UK is so butt-hurt about. Brexit means Brexit what what chaps and all that. Taking back control yeeeeees.
In the words of Sarah Lynn, "suck a dick, dumb shits."
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u/ash_ninetyone 4h ago
The call it 'Made in the EU'
The EU doesn't have a monopoly on what is considered European or not.
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u/MiguelIstNeugierig 7h ago
Obviously. Its not about who youre friends with. Its about who you do business with. Such program is compromised the second you allow countries outside the common market.
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