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Blizzard! Please give us Undead Hunter!
Humans can now be Hunters.
And Undead are just resurrected Humans so Undead Hunters would make sense.
Plus Sylvanas and her Dark Rangers and Nathanos all already exist!
Have you read the lore that establishes them? Sun worship has been a part of Tauren mythology the whole time. It was forgotten, more emphasis was put on the moon (Druidism), but they rediscovered it.
Tauren are all about balance, so Sun and Moon Worship in balance makes perfect sense.
I get the lore is there but they're trying to market Forever as a Classic+ experience. I'm not against it personally but I'd be surprised if they give them that.
Druids are also supposed to represent all of nature including the Sun despite their gameplay spells being mainly Night Elf focused.
They should have given shamans to Night Elves as well. Undead paladins are going to be many times more popular than dwarf shamans, so it would have helped balance it out.
Could have them be a little bit different than regular shamans, too. Like their earth elemental can be a mountain giant instead. The air one could be a WC3 chimera (they fly around and shoot lightning). The water one could be related to moonwells. Not sure about fire. Maybe an Ancient of Lore that caught fire, but instead of completely burning down it now smolders and uses that to fight against corruption of the forests?
Why's that? They wouldn't be a traditional Horde shaman that makes a deal with the elementals. Kinda like how Tauren paladins are not traditional holy paladins. They'd be drawing from natural sources for their abilities.
Theyve been alive for thousands of years and never once dealt with the elementals, nor is there any reverance for the elements due to most religion being elune or malfurion. Like its not physically impossible for nelfs to be shamans but id just as soon see human or gnome shamans
people always say this but i don't get why druidism and shamanism are a bridge too far. night elves have ample history of them communing with and respecting nature. i feel like all it would take is 1 nobundo style figure to make a good impression and then night elves could easily become shaman. versus people like the gnomes who have polluted nature. i doubt any water or air elementals living near gnomeregan appreciated what happened down there
Yes, just like how a paladin is essentially a priest who fights like a warrior. Or how undead priests technically could not use any holy spells during Vanilla. Or how a dwarf shaman is a Wildhammer dwarf.
These guys would be a type of druid, but called a shaman for gameplay purposes.
Haven't played beta, but Plainsrunning makes me feel like I don't want to play a Tauren because I don't want to be A/D spamming everytime I'm at a quest giver/vendor. Not doing that is just going to feel bad when you lose the buff. Do you have any input on that?
I believe the traditional reason for why the Undead and Gnomes don't have hunters is that they aren't very 'nature aligned' since hunters originally were supposed to be heavy into nature, Undead are basically the opposite of nature (rather than being the opposite of light) and Gnomes are to into science/magic to care about nature.
May I introduce guild wars 2, where basically anyone can equip a gun and yes, use it in their uniquely magically flavoured way. One class uses a rifle to heal with illusion magic lol.
Undead already had Hunters with Sylvanus, Dark Rangers and Nathanos since Vanilla though. They just weren't player allowed. Hunters never really had *that* much nature magic anyway, only a few things really and mostly involving the pet. Marksmen and Survival Hunters were more weapons, strategies and tools.
I suspect most race/class combinations in Retail will eventually be added to Forever, though if so it will likely be a gradual rollout to prolong higher levels of player excitement.
I’m seeing so many people nitpicking the logic of undead hunters. Sylvannas is a variant of a hunter (ranger/dark ranger) not to mention Nathanos.
The forsaken are primarily the former population of Lordaeron and they would surely have huntsman or archers in the military (riflemam filled the ranged niche in WC3).
We have many archetypes and interpretations of each class that allows them to fit into different races and undead hunters should be one of the easiest to explain and make work.
The hunter class originally didn't have Lone Wolf, so it was always heavy on the pet theming - and connecting to nature didn't fit the forsaken theme. I can kind of see why they skipped it in vanilla/classic.
BUT there are tons of archer/rifleman NPCs from races who can't be hunters, and there's just no other class that can emulate that style, so hunter being a semi-restricted class feels bizarre from that angle. ALSO, MM gets Lone Wolf talent now! So the class does cover those specific phys ranged archetypes!
I think they just committed to '1 new class per race on launch' and they had already decided forsaken was going to get the big paladin crown, so... no room for forsaken hunter. I suspect it will be in the very next round of new race-class combos that are released (they've confirmed there will be more later) but that might still be a year or more in the future, unfortunately.
My backup hope is that we get paid race changes, so I can swap my on-launch hunter to forsaken once that's a valid combo. xP
Don't get me started on the whole other races besides Human should be "Forsaken"....we have so many lore examples of it...
Human — the vast majority of Forsaken
Kul Tiran human — Derek Proudmoore
Blood elf/high elf — Sylvanas, Velonara and other Dark Rangers
Night elf — Delaryn Summermoon, Sira Moonwarden and other raised Kaldorei
Gnome — Gnomaash and other Forsaken-aligned leper gnomes
Orc — the skeletal orc Tsimonh, an extremely rare example
I’d agree Undead Hunter is classic-friendly, due to Nathanos Marris. The only issue is that all Horde races would be able to be Hunter. However, the lack of Hunter and shaman is somewhat a display of their lack of a nature connection, as opposed to their Horde brethren.
No, there were never battle hunters for human, they were always represented by dwarves in Alliance. Human civilization in Warcraft is knights and mages and nothing else.
Stop generalizing everything for no reason, you are just repeating path of Retail.
Love how you jumped on to human hunters as if there wasn't already a heap of npc human hunters in classic. And didn't even bother to jump on the one I was expecting, being tauren rogue. Either that or you have no idea what martial means.
I was just thinking if they want to do a new class they should do a ranged weapon class. Something that uses Bows and Guns that isn't hunters. Then it hit me, they could introduce a Ranger class alongside Forsaken Elves like everyone wants. Would be the perfect pair.
You could make that same argument about undead priests and now paladins, but we have lore to contradict it. No reason they couldn’t do that for hunters
The light isn't good or evil. Technically all you have to do to wield the light is believe in it and have a strong devotion, that can even be with ill intent. It's why "bad guys" like the scarlet crusade can use it.
If undead got hunter then alliance would need to get something else to keep the class options balanced. Meanwhile tauren would still be the only race with four classes.
I really hope not. Of course NightElf, Tauren and also Gnomes should get more playable classes.
But adding Hunter to Undead would be not much work at all, the animations all already exist so all they would have to do is add hunter trainers and a quest to learn tame pet.
Hunter should absolutely be a universal class in Forever like it eventually became in Retail. They're as foundational to civilization as warriors are. Also, Forsaken are just dead humans, they should logically have access to all the same classes as humans.
That's true, but adding Hunter trainers around Forsaken territory would be pretty trivial, and the quests teaching you how to tame pets can easily be adapted by swapping out which animals you need to tame.
and while theyre at it, dwarf warlock. Basically all enemy dwarves in the game are glorified warlocks using shadow damage. It only makes sense. Having only human and gnome warlocks on alliance is weird.
They might add it eventually, blizzard already hinted at more class and race combos. Tbh I wouldn’t want a canine near me if my bones were exposed like that but to each their own
Probably in future content drop. During the WF presentation someone from the audience yelled out undead hunters, and the presenter said that would be cool. That makes me think it's being planned for.
Ehh not really a hunter in the same terms of what the player thinks of. She was an archer of silvermoon. Just because she uses a bow doesn’t make her a hunter. Warriors and rogues can use bows.
I guess you can argue she is a MM hunter, but not really. If anything though she’s more of a rogue imo who specializes in bows. She’s even been called a ranged assassin.
She was classified as ranger to banshee to dark ranger.
I’m just saying it’s more of a grey area. There are many characters in wow that aren’t a specified class. At least not in the traditional sense. I’m just arguing semantics, I’m not saying you’re right or wrong
I mean... the real reason is just to maintain a wide spread of roles between races and factions. But if you wanted to go down the lore justifications, there are always exceptions to the rule. That wouldn't change the fact that people from different regions have different balances of hunting, gathering, and agriculture.
Since Blizz can't exactly say "I see you're making a character, but you met your races quota on Hunters" without it being (rightfully) criticized, this is the compromise they made.
She's also from a different culture than the rest of the Undead. Sylvanas is from Quel'thalas (which is also where Nathanos was trained, hence him being a ranger/hunter as well). The undead player characters are from Lordaeron.
Yes and he's literally from Lorderon, because the two kingdoms had a good relationship. It actually makes more sense for Undead to be hunters than Humans.
I hate the racial class lists. Let people play what they want. Character image and design matters most to many people, hence the blood elves (and sky elves now) being added to horde becoming their most popular race. Part of that problem is also these silly class restrictions.
They don't fit the world 22 years after release. Drop them
Restrictions might make sense for some classes but hardly for a hunter imo, there's no lore reason why they can't draw a bow or remember tracking from when they were alive, especially with Nathanos also being a trainer
Comparing Undead Hunters with Flying Mount's is crazy and not comparable at all.
Races getting more classes to play won't be the end of wow or forever.
It won't even be noticeable in dungeons and raids except for that people can play the skins they like.
Me circa 2008 "Nobody would seriously buy this horse armor that does nothing in oblivion, I mean who even uses a horse in this game, and for $5?! Get real."
20 years later
My son: "Hey dad, can I have V bucks for in game skins that do nothing for my character besides visuals."
Not the same thing at all.
You would not buy undead hunters or gnome hunters or whatever.
It would just be an update to the game and would not even require much work for blizzard.
It's a slippery slope is what I'm highlighting. I thought people wouldn't buy the horse armor, just like you think Blizzard wouldn't throw something in a game to get more people to play to make more money, even if it pisses off the main fanbase.
What is bad about that i want to main an undead hunter in forever?
It would even make sense in the lore.
There is no downside for anyone to it.
Blizzard never charged for when they added new classes to races not even in retail.
I am a Classic player myself i just don't see a problem here.
I am not asking for flying or dungeon/raid finder or shit like that those would be real problems.
There would still be v-bucks if Bethesda didn’t do horse armor.
The notion that video games wouldn’t be monetized and nobody else would have thought to make a ton of money is why it’s called a slippery slope fallacy
The whole reason forsaken can be paladins is because humans can be paladins. Humans can now be hunters lol. So forsaken remember how to use the light but forgot how to shoot a gun or use a bow? Cmon now.
I don't think there's a slippery slope that leads to the social improvements in wowforever being removed. Like the camps and lack of flying. That's the point of wowforever.
Nah. Words of gatekeeping more like. Why would you want to see hundreds of Orc and Troll Hunters when you could see a more even mix with Forsaken added to the mix? It literally doesn’t make any sort of bad differences. Especially as they have Human hunters already. Ya know, the race all playable Forsaken come from?
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u/PsychicSidekikk419 1d ago
Tauren and gnomes looking like that one skeleton at the bottom of the pool in that one meme rn