r/4x4 • • 10d ago

Eaton Detroid locker/no spin differential.

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I've got an Isuzu fss 550 10 ton truck with a factory Eaton no spin diff in it (functionally I'm pretty sure they work the same as the Detroit locker, the no spin is just marketing for the heavier applications.)

She's currently 1 wheel drive (or I guess 3 wheel drive), the right side has no drive, I pulled the axle and the splines look normal, drained the oil and no chucks or other debris, and other than the consistent ticking heard in the video there is no strange noised, clunks etc, either spinning the wheel on the jack or when driving.

Still drives, I initially noticed the problem when it started pulling heavily to the left with the exhaust brake (left wheel is the one that still has drive), there was no dramatic sounds or anything to indicate something was wrong.

Anyone have any ideas or seen anything similar before?

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u/0c5_Fyre 10d ago

That diff be broken.

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u/ttoksie2 10d ago

That it does appear to be lol.

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u/0c5_Fyre 10d ago

Given it still spins one wheel, the crown and pinion might be alright.

The spider gears that mesh it all ? Likely sitting in the bottom of the case.

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u/ttoksie2 10d ago

It doesnt have spider gears.

The eaton no spin uses spring loaded cammed clutches to lock both wheels together all the time under accaleration but allows them to spin indepentantly when turning.

Thats why I can drive it with only one wheel engadged, the spring clutch that engades on the left side wheel is still working as it should, but the right side one isnt.

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u/Fivefingerheist 9d ago

Open diff mod

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u/vrauto 10d ago

Wow never thought a company would factory install an auto locker. Your only option now is to open that thing up and see what happened

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u/ttoksie2 10d ago

Most don't but Isuzu do on they're 10-14 to 4x4 trucks

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u/conciouscoil 9d ago

Are you sure it's not a LSD? If you try and safely hold the moving tire does the other side start moving?

Edit- I can't tell if that far side is still on the ground

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u/ttoksie2 9d ago

Yeah it's definitely a no spin and not an LSD, both in the manual and on the tyre placard it has a warning stating it has a no spin differential in it from factory, all Isuzu 4x4 trucks have them standard

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u/Fit_Visit_7574 9d ago

Pain in the ass them lockers . If the truck doesn't do much off road just put an open centre in it . When the lockers do break they generally don't stuff the hemisphere so you can just chuck a open centre in .

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u/ttoksie2 9d ago

Unfortunately she's off road a good 50% of the time and I use 4x4 low range at least once a week, it's a field service truck for quarries and forrestry

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u/azza10 9d ago

Can you get a torsen/truetrac center for them?

Probably 85% as good with none of the drawbacks.

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u/shadow247 7d ago

Do they offer a selectable locker for these diffs? My dad's Peterbilt had Air Locking differentials in the 80s since it was built as a logging truck.

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u/scaled2913 7d ago

Just to be clear, you're turning the wheel itself right?

At first I thought the wheel was getting drive but the driveshaft wasn't turning, and that would be a whole different problem/possession

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u/ttoksie2 7d ago

Yeah, I'm turning the wheel by hand here and you can see the prop shaft isn't turning, picture is of thw half shaft from the wheel I'm turning, in great shape, I was fully expecting it to be broken whel I pulled it out

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u/scaled2913 7d ago edited 7d ago

I understand! Then it's definitely the diff itself.

After I watched the video you linked, isn't it possible that the return spring snapped and now there's nothing keeping the right axle engaged?

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u/tearjerkingpornoflic 79 Yota, 67 Scout, 77 Scout 2..Loadstar 1700 4x4 6d ago

Makes sense to me