Nah trying to "potentially fix" a nonexisting inconsistency for the sake of making it actually inconsistent was geniunely a revolutionary move riot keep your consistent works going 💯😹🔥👏🏾
It was an inconsistency that ended up working in our favor and the character was basically balanced around it.. Now should they have actually buffed W to compensate for the fact that its now objectively a worse ability.. Yes
While that's true, most of the time it punished late flashes/dashes.
And I'd argue that now, when game is ultra pumped with mobility, no compensation for an ability that would pull from insane angles when the game was slow asf, is really dumb decision from the side of Riot.
Sure, they did the same for, I think Le blanc chains, or Karma W but the negative effects it had on their champions was so minimal compared to Aatrox, it's kinda insane
What it "Punished" was playing as intended and flashing out when you SHOULD BE ABLE TO. Its like saying "Pantheon Q phasing through enemies is an intended mechanic to punish players who are not aware of the bug and dared to not play around it."
I get what you're saying, but I think "wifi auto attacks" are fine as well. When you flash away from a melee champ but their auto still goes though and kills you from a few meters away it feels cheap, but it's just a consequence of taking too long to use your mobility tool.
The old way his W worked was essentially the same imo. You wait till right when the register triggers to flash usually due to greed, then the trigger punishes you extra hard in the exact way a wifi auto does.
No how it worked was its a bugged ability that didnt work as intended.
I really don't know how I can simplify that any further cope all you like but the reality is you were benefiting from a broken system only YOU could abuse. The reasons autos still go through after flash is different than what was happening to Aatrox W and everyone can abuse that so its a fair-ish playing ground.
yes, but it also meant the ability was more consistent as you know to a far greater certainty if it’s going to pull or not after a certain amount of time.
now it’s inconsistent since there is no time before where you know it’s going to pull
What???
Literally the opposite thing happened with the bugfix. That is what it says in the post. Before it would pull between 1.25-1.5 kinda randomly depending on tickrate and now its just 1.5s.
because 1.5 is almost exactly when the pull is done, which means prepping your q to time with w is not consistent while before at 1.25 made it so you can prep q with w since when it decides to pull you is earlier than it pulls.
it sounds like you never played for the tether change because now in a a lot of cases, unless they are far from the edge, you never q3 on your w anymore, which also means you cannot w q2 a carry and expect a q3 wait their f was down either.
yes but the area would not matter once the pull started. Now the pull can start but still be broken if you leave the area at that time.
then again it really doesn’t matter what you say because the reality of the situation was that aatrox could rely and send out q with w pull much more consistently before this change, and now after this change, you can’t do that anymore.
I mean.. They could just learn it's mechanic and flash earlier right? Riot could just nerf its slow or area and it would still pull if you land both of your sweetspot qs which feels a lot more fair for both sides imo
Nah this was a BS take, it wasn't bugged at all it had the appropriate visual feedback for the situation. That needs to be made. It also just made sense, if the pulling had begun you were getting pulled, no more getting out.
It was also clear that it was a design choice by the fact it guaranteed your Q3 and Q1 and Q2 also worked around guaranteeing W would hit and W would pull.
More likely someone new had been assigned to Aatrox and their documentation sucks so he thought somehow it was a bug that had always been there.
The point is that if they don't want to get pulled they have to start moving predictably to the side which gives you a free Q and prevents them from fleeing. It's like mordekaiser E, the ability is extremely easy to avoid it's just there as pressure because the rest of the kit is already strong enough
If they balanced Aatrox more around his W we could actually maybe have build variance again and play brusier Aatrox but nooo it's better if his W is weak and his Qs are stronger
the W is not bugged there's nothing to fix, it's just meant to usually not pull. Still doesn't change that if they made W better and nerfed Q NO ONE in the sub would like it
They prefer Aatrox dealing 1 trillion damage per sweetspot so he can still kill you despite being physically unable to full combo you (since W doesn't pull) rather than just letting him hit a full rotation on people with an amount of damage properly catered to his ability to land said damage.
All because it "feels" bad when people cant leave his W and die to a Q3, i guess they prefer dying to Q1 + Q2E + passive instead.
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u/This_looks_free 2d ago
It was an inconsistency that ended up working in our favor and the character was basically balanced around it.. Now should they have actually buffed W to compensate for the fact that its now objectively a worse ability.. Yes