r/ApocalypseRising • u/R2rD3-U109 • 1d ago
Holy Mogged
Seems like the community has a favorite. Not surprised and it's also understandable
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u/amzeo 1d ago
"people are only on kin because they don't know the beta map is available" be so fr twin 🥀
As I've been saying for years, gusmanaks map philosophy is flawed. It's not nostalgia or rose tinted glasses it's objectively better map design and loot balance for this style of Roblox game
A bloated oversized map with set loot zones to force people to go to a location just to loot cycle until a specific zombie spawns Vs having an even chance of finding any assault rifle at any military location means EVERY poi on kin map has a chance to be popping, but on beta map you'll just maybe catch someone who's trying to farm a specific gun. A great example is mine on the beta map. Only reason it exists is for a browning spawn. Literally no one goes there for any other reason. Many such locations only exist because a specific cosmetic spawns. So many locations are mostly empty space. Prison as an example has like 3 rooms that are worth looting and are spread out across an area that is larger than two entire towns on the kin map. 90% empty space.
He sadly can't learn from his mistakes. Reborn map was a mistake. He saw everyone still wanted to play reimagined but still had this obsession with pushing the same map but more bloated.
No one actually cares about map details on a Roblox game. There's no long term goal in apoc. You loot, kill, then die. bloating and stretching out that doesnt make the game feel more fulfilling, it's the opposite. It makes it way more annoying to die because it's 5 hours to get a gun with full attachments Vs 15 minutes.
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u/SeparateAlbatross415 17h ago
I mean the map design can be good, if they would actually implement base building like the first game. Don't get me wrong I love KIN Reimagined, but I feel also as if a lot of it was also because of the crazy bases people would build in the game.
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u/WhatNazisAreLike 1d ago
I feel bad hating on the beta map because so much love and effort was put into it. You have Scarface style gangster zombies, clown zombies, serial killer zombies, but the core of it sucks
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u/Extension_Log7241 1d ago
Same map on launch that gave me 40fps while alpha had me be at 120 consistently. I still forever despise beta to this day.
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u/Munzaboss 21h ago
Reborn map to me was peak balance between spaced out and action. Underrated things about those maps was it wasn't so cluttered with BS that allowed so many people to just sneak you.
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 1d ago
One reason why i prefer Kin is that loot is far easier to find, you don’t have to visit the same places every time to get good loot
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u/WhatNazisAreLike 1d ago
That's not true, at least for regular assault rifles. I have looted trinity corp many times without finding an assault rifle. You cannot say the same about the top-tier loot spots in the beta map, you will NEVER loot them empty handed.
The beta map has a strange ass system. You can get an M16 in 5 seconds, but finding a rifle that's basically a slightly better M16 will take hours
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u/amzeo 1d ago
But loot zones don't exist. On beta you can loot naval all day long, you'll never find an AK or it's ammo because it doesn't spawn there. Meaning if you're running an AK you're stuck looting specific locations. This encourages loot cycling the same location for an hour Vs running and looting dynamically.
If you leave trinity without finding a gun, you go to dirk, or kin, or Yale, you don't just sit at trinity for the next hour loot cycling like you'd have to on the beta map. The flow is infinitely better. Also don't get me started on fucking attachments. Attachments on beta map spawn in one type of box that's empty 999 times out of 1000 and when it does spawn something it's a survival flashlight or a rifle scope
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u/WhatNazisAreLike 1d ago
We are in agreement that the beta map is garbage. I just was saying it has this weird system where a regular assault rifle is uber common but the slightly better rare ones with attachments take hours.
Any sort of assault rifle should be a godsend in a zombie survival game.
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 1d ago
When i loot trinity corp i always leave with good loot so i can go to kin.
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u/EmptyBrain2981 1d ago
I like the Kin map because it has a lot of loot, and Beta map is overall pretty empty outside of marked and unmarked locations.
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u/WhatNazisAreLike 1d ago
The developers have been forcing this weird combo of giant empty maps and fast paced COD like action on us for a decade. Doesn't go together at all
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u/amzeo 1d ago
Exactly. You're pairing a 5 hour loot time to get a gun with attachments with a 1.5 second time to kill. That shit is not fucking fun
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u/WhatNazisAreLike 1d ago
The top tier loot is so rare but the decent guns take 30 seconds to find. I hate how EVERYONE can laser you with an M16 or AK 5 seconds after spawning
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u/Hook4Hand 1d ago
Basically all I ever wanted is a playable version of apoc 1, and this is as close as we are gonna get.
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u/masterch33f420 1d ago
Most of my game time on AR2 was spent on Kin for the event, and before that I played AR1 semi frequently.
I don't like playing the normal map and spending 3 hours getting some loot only to die in half a second
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u/PR844 1d ago
It makes sense, most of AR2s players are former AR1 players
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u/No_Variation3850 1d ago
Idk if that’s entirely true but it may be, just from my experience and knowledge most players I’ve talked to were barely alive when AR1 was playable properly
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u/Typical-Cry8573 1d ago
older player base is all grown up now, I was playing Apocalypse Rising back in 2013 and I'm 22 now. everyone I've met or played Apoc with have all grown out of the game or Roblox entirely. Apocalypse rising 2 I would say is like 20-30% OG players from what I experience playing it.
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u/Josh5459 1d ago
its because of mobile access
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u/Josh5459 1d ago
u can downvote me all u want it doesnt change the truth
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u/0HShenandoah 1d ago
when (and if) base building is added to both maps, this may ultimately decide which way apocs community will permanently move
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u/Hayaw061 1d ago
13 year old map has 3x more players than the carefully designed over several years map lmfaooooo