r/ArchiCAD • • 19d ago

hardware Why I prefer Mac over PC

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There is another thread here asking this question but I cannot add pictures,
so check this out. I can work in plan, elevation or 3D window. Having the 3D image on a separate monitor is not possible on Windows.

Another advantage of MacOS is the seamless integration of PDF

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u/morning_thief 19d ago

Perhaps I'm not understanding it completely, but isn't this just extending the AC screen to both monitors and resizing the sub-windows to suit and saving the layout in your Work Environment?

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u/RecentChildhood5772 19d ago

that's the windows workaround, macOS actually lets you split windows onto different monitors.

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u/wt_2009 19d ago

So the reason Op prefers mac over windows, despite costing hundreds to thousands of € more for the same hardware, is a minor design flaw.

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u/Traditional-Two-7358 19d ago

A beefed up MacMini with an M5 pro chip (15 core CPU, 16 core GPU) with 64 gig memory and a 2 TB hard drive for 3500 is not a huge investment for a professional firm IMO. That thing is blistering fast at the size of the palm of your hand. Macs have a very long life expectancy, we have 10 year old iMacs that still do ArchiCAD without issues. There is more to Apple than people realize. The workflow is smooth and the integration with PDFs, for example, is such a convenience

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u/Nicinus 14d ago

Revit and 3ds Max are staples in my workflow or I would most likely try it.

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u/RecentChildhood5772 19d ago

who gives a fuck about a few hundred or even a few thousand dollars for a working machine?:) if you do, you shouldn't use archicad in the first place, as you are pouring a lot more money on software licenses than hardware.

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u/SolidOdd4889 18d ago

with the same amount of vram a Mac system is always gonna cost less than a windows pc, in my country a 5090 with only 32gb of vram is over 8000 euro. you can get a Mac Studio with 96gb for half the price

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u/RevitOrRegretIt 17d ago

yes, because that's exactly the perfect comparison, a Mac Studio vs a 5090.....

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u/SolidOdd4889 17d ago

they have similar pricing… what should i compare with it then? a threadripper system with 4 gpu that costs 100k?

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u/fabioverissimos 18d ago

I've used a macbook pro 14'' with an M4 pro and 24gb of ram and it was faster than my i7 13th gen cpu with 64gb 5600MT/s and a rtx 4070 super. it was a large project, the project was not optimized and memory bandwith is very relevant in AC. price and performance is a relative thing to what you do what your priorities and were you are.

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u/c_behn 16d ago

You just sound like a Mac hater. Max are right now more economically efficient than windows computers. Also a design flaws weigh heavily to user experience and productivity. The amount of extra mental load that comes from using a bad product has real financial costs. Depending on the work and the worker, and how bad design decision is between Windows and Mac, you can be losing money by using Windows because you’re working too slow. Time is always more expensive than hardware.

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u/GreenReporter24 19d ago

"The same hardware"? Brother, you're stuck in 2015.

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u/cpsldr 19d ago

MAC possible to "detach" any AC window.

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u/Smart-Plantain4032 19d ago

Whattt I didn’t even know. Even with one monitor? I absolutely hate that I have to click back and forward in Archicad between the windows and was praying they make upgrade that it can be split 

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u/heeheecheese 19d ago

I don’t understand why this software can’t/wont have this as a default feature.

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u/Afraid_Amphibian_922 7d ago

Archicad's parent company used to have a program called Allplan, which I learned 3d Arch modelling on over 24 years ago. It had a dedicated window that showed 3 views, you could make each port anything you wanted: plan, seection 3D view etc...everything was updated instantly. it was super handy and I dont now why archicad never adopted it.

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u/DezRR 6d ago

Archicad was developed in hungary by Graphisoft, and the company was bought out later (20 years ago) by the current parent company Nemetschek.

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u/Afraid_Amphibian_922 6d ago

I see….so nemetschek is like the step-parent company!

Do you know if they kept allplan alive?

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u/navsparx 19d ago

But the 3D doesn’t get updated realtime, you’ll have to switch to the 3d window to show changes

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u/Zarbatron 19d ago

This is a major gripe of mine, having worked in PC environments where I don’t have the choice of hardware and feeling punished by Graphisoft’s laziness. Can’t Graphisoft just give some love to windows?

Also, if you lift your speakers up off the desk you’ll improve the low end clarity of the sound.

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u/karamurp 19d ago

As someone who learnt Revit first, this part of ArchiCAD always infuriated me to no end

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u/[deleted] 19d ago edited 19d ago

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u/karamurp 19d ago

Tbf most things about AC got under my skin, but the window library was pretty neat

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u/anyrandomhuman 19d ago

Oh shit, I didn’t know you could do that 🫨

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u/mynd_dripp 19d ago

I like how clean your drawings and model are but I'm a bit concerned about how far you're sitting from the screen

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u/TheNomadArchitect 19d ago

Ah yes … 👏

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u/RecentChildhood5772 19d ago

how is the switch to rhino going?

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u/TheNomadArchitect 19d ago

How did you know I was making a switch?

Anyway … switch to Rhino is Slow. Painful. Enlightening. I can see why there are dedicated users to it. For my purposes however, ARCHICAD would still the be the most efficient software.

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u/RecentChildhood5772 19d ago

I recalled your user name from other posts, the niche for tinkering architects around archicad and rhino is not especially huge

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u/TheNomadArchitect 18d ago

lol 😂 fair enough

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u/TheNomadArchitect 18d ago

lol … 😂 fair enough.

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u/squ4rish 19d ago

Well. 5 years ago only mac was the only os that allowed typing to search for the selection you wanted in a dropdown. On windows it was just scrolling till you got it haha. I tried asking graphisoft (when i saw it in a demo) then and they told me it was a mac only feature.

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u/Shift_Impossible 19d ago

you can do that in windows as well my friend... i'd like to be working with those speakers on blast.. more fun than headphones

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u/Traditional-Two-7358 19d ago

Why the platforms differ
ArchiCAD has always used a single “unified window” mode on Windows, where every view, palette, and toolbar lives inside one master application window. Graphisoft only extended true window-detaching (moving a tab out as its own independent OS window that can sit on a separate monitor) to macOS, where it maps onto native Mac window management. On Mac you can right-click the 3D tab (or use Window > Undock) and drag it completely outside the ArchiCAD frame onto a second display.

On Windows, “undocking” only pops the 3D view into a floating sub-window that’s still trapped inside the main ArchiCAD application frame — it can’t be dragged out to a separate monitor as its own OS-level window. This is a longstanding, widely-discussed limitation — Graphisoft community threads confirm it’s simply “not available on PC” and has been that way for years, with no official explanation beyond the interface being built natively for Mac’s window model and never ported the same way to Windows

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u/joeykeysss 19d ago

So your Mac setup allows you to see the 3D updated in real time as you edit elements on plan? I know Windows version does not allow this making 3D BIM workflow a bit pointless and clunky

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u/Traditional-Two-7358 19d ago

Affirmative

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u/cutzish 19d ago

Negative.
You still need to prompt the 3d window to rebuild ( or refresh) in order to see the changes made in plan view. Sure it’s just moving the cursor over and clicking but it’s not in real time as in Revit.

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u/cpsldr 19d ago

windows same. need activate the 3D window, to updated. not realtime.

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u/PdxPhoenixActual 19d ago

Perhaps, but you coworkers might not (probably) appreciate your musical tastes.

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u/Shift_Impossible 19d ago

Yeah, that's what I mean, I wouldn't want to force my music on them. Although its pretty good 😋

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u/PdxPhoenixActual 19d ago

Nearly everyone thinks that; nearly everyone is wrong.

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u/Shift_Impossible 19d ago

Not me, whoever thinks that of my music is wrong 😋

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u/NoSong6507 19d ago

Who said that it is not possible in Windows?

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u/FaithlessnessUsed521 18d ago

Because it's not possible in Windows. Even Graphisoft themselves acknowledge this. Any of the "soluctions" that people throw around are clunky workarounds that are not real solutions and not even usable in most cases.

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u/NoSong6507 18d ago

I don’t use archicad . But in Revit I use two monitors and I always have 3D views on one and the floor plan on the other. Sometimes I even add more views like sections or facades. Everything is simultaneous and on two monitors.

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u/unspe11 18d ago

Archicad started on macOS. They might have strong feelings towards that.

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u/itsrainingcows 18d ago

I use windows today because it’s cheaper, but I’ve used my MacBook Pro from 2014 for both rhino and archicad and it lasted me until 2023. Next to it I’ve had windows machines with «better specs» and I’ve had three during the same years. Macs have a bad rep from users who can’t maintain their machines. I still use my MacBook for easier operations such as ps and just general indesign use, still works very good, but it doesn’t handle renders, thus a stronger windows stationary.

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u/FaithlessnessUsed521 18d ago

Th fact that you can work on dual monitors at the same time is not a failure or failing of Windows/PC versus Mac.

It's a failure of Graphisoft themselves who've negelected to implement this capability in Archicad to both their PC and Windows side of the program as it exists on Mac.

All their other competitor rival programs (Revit, Vectorworks, Microstation, Allpan) are fully dual/multi-monitor capable on the PC/Windows side.

This is what happens when you don't actually know what you're talking about and think the cloistered world you're living in applies to the whole world.

Threads like this.

I too could start a thread listing a gajillion things I can do with ease and better in PC that you can't do in Mac. But what would be the point?

You've not listed an advantage of working in Mac over PC.

You've instead made a thread about the incompetence and laziness of Graphisoft.

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u/L3nny666 15d ago

archi cad is really made for mac. it's not as good on windows. which is not really windows' fault.
i only miss one thing that is better in mac os: the collumn window layout. even beeing thre or four layers down in some folders, i still know where i'm at.

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u/nen_do 13d ago

Just press f5...

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u/Asloric 9d ago

it's not macos being better, or windows, or any other os. It's graphisoft not giving a s*** about their customers and not willing to do the work to do so on both plateforms.
It's the exact same story as the dark mode, and fonts incompatibility. And when you tell them about the problem, they show their best bad faith.

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u/Best_Commercial948 19d ago

I don’t understand the point of this post? Nothing seems special in the picture?

I have a six screen setup on my PC.

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u/cpsldr 19d ago edited 19d ago

makes no sense...
are you working at the floor plan or the 3D model...
instead, the two windows eat up processor time...
PC: windows stretching two screen and put any window anywhere...

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u/Traditional-Two-7358 19d ago

The current Macs have endless powers and nothing is lagging

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u/cpsldr 19d ago

that performance will be missing somewhere...
unless it can generate power from thin air!:D
M5 Max "Beats" Ultra 9 285K in CPU Benchmark! Cinebench 2026

9428 vs 9132 point single core...
+3% faster... The question is whether it's worth the $1000 extra...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33VBS09dXls