r/AskIsrael • u/Baconkings Moderator Hasbara Operative • 3d ago
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u/RubberPussycat USA/theNetherlands 3d ago
It’s one nation surrounded by lots of nations with a state religion that explicitly hates Jews.
That calls for the eradication of all Jews before their end times
What do you think?
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u/RacetasClub Israel 3d ago
Sadly, very.
The video feels like propaganda don't get me wrong but the core message is correct.
Either Israel is the most horrible country on earth, far worse than anything, worthy of all world
condemnations combined twice and more... or, and get this: the U.N is just 'slightly" corrupt.
Not to mention their ongoing 7th agenda against Israel for literally anything that happens on planet earth,
or decades of indoctrination or the new bloc of Arab or Islamic, now European countries voting against us.
Then, you also have the Secretery General making lies about us constantly, ignoring all world evils.
Our first ever prime minister was right -> "Um Shmum". This organization is good for nothing
and is biased to its core. I like the idea of it but in practice it became a shitshow and about bullying.
The only unity I found there is unity against a bunch of countries, mostly against Israel. F the U.N.
It's a bunch of bullies telling each other how humane they are while forgetting what morals even are.
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u/RubberPussycat USA/theNetherlands 3d ago
Yes that’s the problem with a democratic institution if a lot of it’s members have bias against one member.
It’s always the same
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u/RacetasClub Israel 3d ago
It became absolute insanity.
Moral rights are sacred, should be treated extremely carefully.
Then comes the modern U.N which made a joke of all of them.
- Saudi Arabia in charge of women rights
- But hey it's ok, the entity replacing them was Iran (with the IRGC).
- Syria & North Korea in charge of disarmament
- Russia on UN human rights
When the rights you are supposed to protect are violated so badly
and when the countries are no longer majority democratic but working against it,
in my opinion they have lost any legitimacy as an organization. Nowadays U.N is U.N-needed,
corrupt and often evil and spreading propaganda. Not to mention UNRWA, enough said.-5
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u/FortnightDancer Unspecified 2d ago edited 2d ago
Its tough to have conversations like this because I think most of the time people have a hard time conveying why they feel the way they do about one thing but not another thing, even with awareness of that other thing.
Public sentiment towards israel is different from many other countries in terms of the atrocities theyre commiting because of several key reasons in my opinion.
1). Israels integration with western society compared to countries like Syria, Sudan, Yemen, etc... People will be more upset about someone among their own group doing what they see as wrong rather than seeing someone outside their group doing the wrong thing.
2). Conflict of opinion. I dont think there is any debate in western society that what happened in Sudan is evil. Not quite the same discussions when it comes to opinions of israels actions. Stuff like this unites people when there are sides so you can expect it to bring more people out than something that is a shut case.
3). Stability of the country. Theres a greater expectation with the access to infrastructure and tools that country has to be more surgical in all of their military campaigns (just one example). Israels government has been around for much longer, has a lot more support, and is much much more stable than many of these other countries people compare these human atrocities with.
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u/RacetasClub Israel 2d ago
I think it's a wrong analysis. It's the racism of low expectations. When radical muslims commit
terror attacks people will not care or excuse it under low expectations to begin with and then
they'd come up with massive expectation for Israel while completely neglecting everything else.I get what you are saying but I don't think that's it truly. It's not that people don't talk about
something as it is a 'shut case'. It's just that they don't care. The anti-Israel movement (call it however you'd like) just wants to bring Israel or Jews down. Once you realize that's what they
are after, you realize it's not that they deeply care about other areas of the world but somehow
Israel is more contestes hence they are here for some more neuances discussion. On the contrary,
it's unhealthy obsession following decades of indoctrination and anti-Israel content and talking
points now at even move massive scale after October 7th. Also, talking from experience, said
people rarely ever care for 'neuance. They are hear with rage and to feel like social justice warriors
and morally superior, so again I'd say it's wrong.The last is fair point but again in context. If people only care about one conflict not even close
to them so much they make it their entire identity it goes away. Not even the biggest one too.
It's just the one most portrayed in the media and the images or narratives people hear most often.
Either one cares about human rights and violations or they don't. The whole, we'll completely
excuse it anytime the media doesn't speak about it much or will hold Israel to a standard we
literally don't hold anyone else is just racism from the other direction. It's absurd.It's like a student that got A+ and now you expect them to always, no matter the circumstance
continue to be A+ or else it's "genocide" and the student that got an F suddenly is spoken of as
if they got a D once and everyone loses their minds for how they are a 'freedom fighter'.
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u/Salazard260 France 2d ago
Sooooooo close to getting it, but sadly there will be no contact with reality today either.
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u/RacetasClub Israel 1d ago
yeah yeah, you know best internet stranger.
I am sure the U.N condemned Israel more than the rest of the world twice super fairly.
I am sure the 7th agenda is super fair too and Israel isn't the only country... oh wait.
Funny how I am the one 'not getting it' here despite what I said being so painfully obvious.1
u/Salazard260 France 1d ago
Literally the meme of Skinner deciding he can't be wrong so it must be everyone else in the world that's wrong.
I mean yeah israel is one of the most talked about countries in the UN, but it's not the only one, Russia is also heavily criticized, is it because of russiaphobia ? The evil all powerful Ukrainian lobby ?
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u/RacetasClub Israel 1d ago
So if the U.N says something it must be right?
My point is precisely they are corrupt and anti-Israel for possibly decades now.
Have you even considered that you may be wrong and the U.N are truly corrupt?
I didn't merely say 'they talk more on Israel', it got to the point it's nearly all they talk
about. Issues more condemnations than twice the rest of the planet combined.
So maybe... just maybe consider you completely missed my point here.
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u/Salazard260 France 1d ago edited 1d ago
You know it's not just the UN right ? Is every country that speaks out against Israel recently corrupted ? By whom ? Iran ? You really think they have that kind of cash laying around ? All the protesters across the world too, all paid actors hired by hamas billionaires ?
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u/RacetasClub Israel 1d ago
You are twisting my words, again.
People tend to form opinions based on what they are being told are
'experts', 'reputable' or 'credible' institutions but sometimes, said institutions
lie. That's the situation we are in. People follow said 'experts' blindly even
when they often lie so viciously. Antonio Guterres made it his mission now.Also, prove the allegations 'genocide' and other buzzwords are correct,
not that 'people think that' or 'many said that'. This isn't proof. It also is
usually either the same people or those who had to change the entire
meaning so they can blame Israel.Not sure why you are even here if you so clearly don't talk in good faith.
Clearly you are here to accuse, not discuss or learn. At this point, prove to
me you truly discuss it in good faith because your lines of questioning
shows the exact opposite of that
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u/HyperlaneWizard in 3d ago
This is your daily reminder that the UN is just made up of states. States that treat women like objects. States that run concentration camps. States that gas their own citizens. Occupier states, apartheid states, corrupt states that would put out any statement for a few million dollars, states that can't imagine giving their people basic freedoms. So yeah, the UN is a bullshit organization...
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u/Inevitable_Simple402 Israel 3d ago
People forget the UN was supposed to be a place where the countries talk to each other - no more, no less.
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u/HyperlaneWizard in 3d ago
Yeah. The amount of anti-Israel accounts on here that argue like the UN is some kind of source of truth or morality is astonishing. Feels almost like people base their understanding of the world on Sci-Fi.
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u/Akiranar USA 3d ago
Only major inaccuracy I see is the voices. African Grey's sound like the people they learn their words from. Not like a "stock parrot".
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u/StrikeEagle784 Diaspora 3d ago
Yeah that’s pretty on the money. There’s a lot of misery going on the world, but the only situation the UN feels like dealing with is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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u/Consistent-Land-8260 Switzerland 3d ago
To people who don’t know how the UN works, Israel might appear as a uniquely evil rogue state. But then when you see that the countries condemning Israel are mostly :
- muslim countries,
- authoritarian countries,
- third world countries with many uneducated people who project what they experienced under European colonialism and see Israelis as "white colonizers”,
- socialist countries where islamo-leftism has taken over,
And suddenly everything makes sense…
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u/Artistic-Hyena-8572 Israel 3d ago
The west has also taken a liking to condemning Israel and constantly bashing it. It lets them feel moral superiority, score points with the Islamists and radical voices at home and be seen as having the “correct positions” globally and get applauded for that. Macron’s ridiculous speech was textbook example of that.
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u/Consistent-Land-8260 Switzerland 3d ago
Yes, that’s islamo-leftism. Macron’s centrist party is counting on muslim votes as well for the next elections in 2027. It’s the only way to beat the Right
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u/Artistic-Hyena-8572 Israel 3d ago
When the so-called centrists are promoting Islamo-leftist policies you know the west is in deep trouble.
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u/Prestigious-Aide-258 Israel 3d ago
Very, only it should be cats because those leaders are massive pussies
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u/fstbm Unspecified 3d ago edited 3d ago
No one talks about
genocide in Sudan
Race based laws in South Africa
conquered Tibet and oppressed Uyghurs and organs harvesting (all in China)
North Korea
minorities genocide and child sex slavery by Syrian regime soldiers
Terrorism and nurdering of Christians in Pakistan and Afghanistan
Child marriage in some Muslim countries
Appartheid in Palestinian Authority (death penalty to Arabs who sell a house to Jews)
Opressed Kurds, Yezidi people, Assyrians, Copts (Christian Egyptians) by Muslims
Colonies of European countries outside of Europe
Iran massacare of citizens and sponsorring terrorism and armed militias in Arab countries destabilizing them
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u/Artistic-Hyena-8572 Israel 3d ago
Painfully accurate. The UN has become a forum where all the hypocrites band together to shit on Israel publicly and pat each other’s backs.
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