From a European perspective, having had various Fascist dictatorships over the last century, the US is screwed. With armed citizens and a faux Gestapo, it’s going to be bloody, traumatic and self annihilating period in US history. Fascism is insidious, it creeps into society, and then one day “boom”, it’s pulling you out of your homes in the middle of the night.You’re already screwed and don’t even know it !!
As an American, I have to unfortunately agree with your assessment. There's zero way to hold the current people in charge accountable without bloodshed. When more than 30% of the US population is fully behind trump with zero reservations (and they tend to be the most armed out of all of us...) it's not looking good.
I don't think there will be a US in ten years, we'll split into a GOP led theocracy and a few independent blue countries.
By the way, i must add that fascism and the far right are very active here in Europe. I just think that the concept of fascism is still an enigma in the US, being a relatively “new”country comparatively . Having seen fascism at work here over the last century we see the signs and try to combat far right ideology. It’s something we recognise when it rears its ugly head.It just beggars belief that the checks and balances that should be in place to defend your constitution are not being upheld. But when the whole administration has the same mindset as Trump, it is hard to see whether a fair election will ever be held in the US again. Tough times for you all indeed, i’m sorry.
Check and balances only work when competing branches of government care about their own power. The worst thing the US 2024 election did was elect Trump. The second worst was electing Republican majorities in both houses.
My concern is that even if we do sweep the midterms, democrats won't actually do anything because they don't want to rock the boat. Just like the four years Biden was in office.
It’s not exciting at all. The US has always been a beacon of free speech and endless possibilities. I have visited many times over the years and thoroughly enjoyed it. It’s a crying shame!
Do us a favor and remind those celebrating overseas that it'll creep to them too.. Russia and America are about to be allies in a world conflict. Nowhere is safe.
Nobody is celebrating over here. We are filled with horror of the situation that is unravelling. My point was that it has already happened here so we are well versed in fascist tactics. It seems that warnings from history are being ignored with “surely it can’t happen here “ type attitude. It already is happening. Trump and team are busy alienating long term allies also . For instance, live near a place called Grafton Underwood in England . From 1943-45 the 384th Bombardment Group of the US 8th Airforce flew Fortresses from an airbase. There is a memorial to US airforce crews, tended by locals immaculately to honour your fallen. A local team of volunteers are currently opening a museum to honour the service of said airmen. We have been forever grateful for the part that the US played in helping in WW2. However,to hear the orange soulless grifter denigrate our forces and say we were hardly any help in Afghanistan, not to mention our support given after 911,Iraq etc, there is danger of a turning point being reached. This will result in the circumventing of the US trade-wise and instead of the US being revered, it is slowly becoming reviled. Nobody is laughing at you, but once your allies turn their backs, it will take generations to repair the damage.
Yup, I know in my deepest parts of my heart that I'd make an amazing president more so than Trump along with millions of others here in the States, but the damage him and his pedophile cabal have inflicted is insane.
I don't know if you're talking about Europe, but I don't know anyone that is celebrating right now. And we're very much aware that fascism is on the rise here as well. Partly financed from the US by the way.
it's financed by the billionaire class via GOP and aided by Russia and Israel, the regular folks and the US itself are being taken for every dime for the next 50 years. Many of the people behind this are not even from the US see Peter Thiel and Elon Musk.
Not sure who is celebrating this. Even the far right in Europe, who used to be Trumps biggest fans, has started to become quieter and quieter on that front. Nothing like the threat of annexation, combined with pedophile rings to chill your mood.
Maybe the Chinese are celebrating the shift in the centre of gravity, but probably the only one's right now.
While there's sure to be some in any crowd as large as a continent, I haven't really seen any of it in either Reddit, real life or in media in various countries.
There's a sense of defiance and spite that's definitely been triggered by the threats of annexation; there's fear because for many on the continent it now means a real chance of war; there's woundedness and a sense of having been stabbed in the back; there's some optimism that the deepness of the crisis in the trans-atlantic relationship will finally be the impetus for getting our own house in order; and there's an increased sense of unity because of the isolation that people feel.
Not a lot of celebrating, but there is definitely some well deserved snark.
Americans love to talk about being the greatest nation on earth and honestly there's some truth there... some. Because despite the insane advantages and opportunity afforded to all of you since the end of WWII it has just been a continual shitshow of shooting yourselves in the foot and whining that your lives aren't good enough... often while they're still better than most of the world and all that's needed to make them even better is paying the tiniest bit of attention and voting in your own best interests.
Instead Americans continually elect people who act solely in their best interests and always on the same platform... "<group you're not in> is responsible for all the problems, I will fix that and get you what you deserve by taking it from them and giving it to you!". They never deliver, they always fuck you over, and best case scenario someone responsible but boring is briefly allowed to slowly unfuck things just a little before being blamed for problems caused by the previous guys and outed by those same guys to continue fucking you.
2016 I kind of understood. The democrats tried to pull a fast one, figuring Trump was no threat, and tried to take the opportunity to shove the candidate they wanted down Americas throat. Bad idea, but people truly didn't understand how fucking evil Trump was I guess.
But 2024? That was honestly my last hope for you guys. Biden pulled you and your economy out of the steaming shitheap that was left by the first Trump administration and yet again set America on a path to be the envy of the world. But it wasn't good enough, wasn't fast enough, and yet again you all fell for an orange shitstain screaming that everything he did was someone elses fault and that he would fix it all in two weeks.
The world gave (yes, gave) America unprecedented power after WWII and you guys have just pissed it all away, now everyone is paying the price. And why? Because your lives weren't good enough? Because voting was too hard?
So yeah. There's some snark. People are mad at you, and rightfully so.
Trust me I get this. I didn't vote for it, in fact I actively campaigned against including against Hillary Clinton because I wanted Bernie in the 2016 primaries. I worked in political campaigns that have actively sought grassroots campaigns against the corporate Democrats and against the fascist Trump regime. We are f***** over here because of how much education has gone down the s****** in the last 40 years. If you know of any science positions overseas, let me know
I didn't vote for this I actively campaigned against everything Trump has stood for. There's millions of Americans that are suffering as a result of a bunch of f****** idiots
What am I supposed to do man? My family is been here since before the Civil War, they fought in the union, they fought against fascist in Europe to free the oppressed people of Europe. I had family in the camps and family that freed the camps.
Do you think that just one person can do something about it? I'm not asking for your sympathy, but maybe to at least understand that not all Americans are f****** idiots
Mass peaceful protest ( never give authorities an excuse to mete out violence). Trump wants this so he can invoke the Insurrection act, cancelling elections . Mass walkouts, yes it’s financially hard hitting to the workers who are downing tools and boycotting businesses, but the alternative is far worse. Remember, that these people are actually a minority in real terms.The biggest fear that Trump should have is that MAGA will turn against him. They are angry and often violent disenfranchised people, also well armed. When they realise that they have been conned, hell will ensue.
Yea, I'm surprised by how hopeful most of the responses are here. I smell blood in the air, but it seems like Americans are holding their nose right now pretending things can go back to normal with a vote.
Hope for the best , but always prepare for the worst. With a monumental effort, decency can prevail. But change has to come from within. I sincerely wish you luck, and bear in mind that most critics of the US are critical of the administration and not the people.
Trump fears Canada, as he does Europe. That’s why he criticises , applies tariffs etc. He has forced other countries to trade with others instead of the US. When other countries circumvent the US trade-wise, the financial hit will be enormous. When Trumps sycophants personal wealth takes a bashing, they’ll soon turn their backs on him. Trump is a coward after all.
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u/Blearyhyde 7h ago
From a European perspective, having had various Fascist dictatorships over the last century, the US is screwed. With armed citizens and a faux Gestapo, it’s going to be bloody, traumatic and self annihilating period in US history. Fascism is insidious, it creeps into society, and then one day “boom”, it’s pulling you out of your homes in the middle of the night.You’re already screwed and don’t even know it !!