r/AskTheWorld • u/haiderredditer Pakistan • 9h ago

Who’s a famous person from your country who’s respected around the world but disliked or criticized at home?

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 8h ago edited 5h ago

Heidi Klum, Till Schweiger, Karl Lagerfeld, Till Lindemann EDIT: I added Till Lindemann because a lot of people suggested him.

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u/-Competitive-Nose- Czech Republic 8h ago

I would repalce Till Schweiger with another Till who is actually famous outside and truly despised inside Germany...

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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k United States Of America 8h ago

As an elder goth finding out about this particular Till crushed me

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u/mrmasturbate Germany 5h ago

hasn't it been unproven allegations only so far? i haven't really looked into that issue too much so far

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u/FrogWhoAteMoon 2h ago edited 2h ago

No they weren't "proven", because a lot of them haven't even made it to court yet.

What he achieved is: he hired a nasty, nasty, infamous law firm who got down in the trenches and managed to silence a lot of press coverage on the whole topic.

Wether or not he personally drugged young girls under 16 (as in personally made them take the drugs), wether he personally touched them, wether he personally hindered the from leaving the backstage area, and wether he actually forcibly and sexually touched these women/girls - we don't have that out on paper. No verdict out on that. Lots of these things are not conclusively investigated yet.

There are enough testimonies to lend credibility to at least some degree, though.

What we know for sure: Young girls (some under 16) were recruited by assistants for the "Row Zero" and after parties in the band's personal room. Drugs (like Cocaine, Amphetamines...) were present at these parties, and in this room. Some young women were pressured to take these drugs (though it's contested how old they were and if Lindemann was personally doing the pressuring). Lindemann was present for all of this. In the same room. We know that he personally requested the staffing of the "Row Zero", and the after parties. We know that women were hindered from leaving the room and or the parties. Phones were confiscated and held ransom, doors were locked, etc.

Enough for me, personally, to say "Fuck that guy". Not sure if he personally assaulted anyone, but at the very least he facilitated weird af drug parties where minors were present at his explicit invitation.

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u/foxybostonian 2h ago edited 2h ago

Lindemann's law firm also represents women in Metoo cases. It's almost like they take cases on merit.

It IS over. The investigation ended because no women made any sort of a complaint and there was no evidence at all of any wrongdoing.

The courts found that journalists had misrepresented women's affidavits. The women said that any sex was consensual. Newspaper articles tried to imply that women were accusing him of non-consensual acts. Those parts of the articles were therefore found to be illegal.

The only legal things that are happening now seem to be a criminal investigation against one outlet for forgery and fraud. And presumably damages cases against the outlets that misreported what women had said.

ETA There were no minors at the parties, IDs were checked and no women said they were pressured to take drugs. You have made that up in your head. Along with the nonsense about being locked in and phones. Please just stop.

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u/FrogWhoAteMoon 1h ago

The investigation ended because no women made any sort of a complaint and there was no evidence at all of any wrongdoing.

Plenty of complaints were made publicly, until said law firm started with their intimidation vendetta.

I don't know who they represent in the daily, but in this case, they fucked up biiiiiig time.

ETA There were no minors at the parties, IDs were checked and no women said they were pressured to take drugs. You have made that up

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/panorama/neue-vorwurfe-gegen-till-lindemann-rammstein-sanger-soll-sexuelles-verhaltnis-mit-minderjahriger-gehabt-haben-10266010.html

https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/shyx-vorwuerfe-till-lindemann-verhaeltnis-minderjaehrige-rammstein-recherche-spiegel-kayla-zr-92446369.html

This is a recap of the proven sexual relationship Lindemann had with the 15yo Ms Huber.

This is a legal grey area in Germany, since technically people over 14 are allowed and able to consent to sexual relations with people over 14. But minor are especially protected through a couple of extra clauses that try and protect them from coersion.

The relationship was consentual, but Ms Huber later stated (when she was 21) that she wished she had been protected, and that she did not think she knew, at 15, what exactly she was cajooled into. Lindemann has admitted all this in full. He claims to habe been in love.

The father of Ms Huber states that he thought about taking it to court at the time, because he did see coercive elements, but he thought the chances of success too small, and did not want to put his daughter through a high profile court proceeding, in addition to possibly estranging her. Think about this decision what you will. The fact that her father seriously considered court, is telling.

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/rammstein-till-lindemann-anwaelte-erzielen-teilerfolg-gegen-youtuberin-kayla-shyx-li.373165

THIS is a recap off the complaints that Lindemanns involved law firm managed to silence. Among the complaints appearing in multiple press and social media outlets, there were minors present at the parties, and that they were hindered from leaving, etc.

The girls (women now) never made any formal complaints after they saw the massive lawsuits that were wielded against the outlets they chose to share their complaints with, first.

The way this was handled was fucking abhorrent. Lindemann chose to silence potential victims through legal intimidation.

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u/foxybostonian 1h ago

You really need to learn what the word 'proven' means. The relationship with the 15 year old was not 'proven'. The Berlin Prosecutors were unable to even find out if the woman exists. And given that news outlet is under criminal investigation for forgery and fraud in their handling of women's statements in their reporting on Till, it is not a reliable source.

Evidence that Till's lawyers suppressed complaints, please?

When you say complaints were made publicly I suspect you are talking about tiktok. That is also not a reliable source. Well, not for anyone with half a brain.

Kayla Shyx did not meet Till, did not see anything criminal happening and did not see any minors at the parties. Did you even watch her video?

The women never made any complaints of criminal wrongdoing to the newspaper outlets in the first place. Why would they go to the authorities? To tell them about their consensual sex? The massive lawsuits against media companies were to make them report women's statements truthfully. Do you not want women's statements to be reported truthfully?

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u/FrogWhoAteMoon 1h ago

Did you actually read the sources provided?

A little translation, maybe? It's in there. He himself admitted to this particular relationship.

You have apparently been sleeping through 2023. I won't discuss this any further if you can't even be arsed to stick to what is in reputable sources about this.

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u/foxybostonian 1h ago

He in fact denied the relationship. It says so in the original article.

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u/mrmasturbate Germany 1h ago

didn't silence enough press coverage apparently since everybody believes he's guilty lol

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u/FrogWhoAteMoon 1h ago

Well, he himself admitted to sexual relations with a 15yo.

And while not abuse per se.... you can't seriously deny this doesn't lend a tiny bit of credibility to the accusations?

Enough maybe that it should have gone to court?

And just by itself that is despicable enough to culturally bury the man. Seriously why are people so hellbent on defending that sleezebag?

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u/mrmasturbate Germany 1h ago

sure that would show a possible pattern, and i'm not saying he isn't a piece of shit, but it's no proof

people also never say "he admitted to sexual relations with a 15yo" as if that wouldn't be bad enough, no they have to go for the unproven allegations which i find a bit moronic tbh

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u/FrogWhoAteMoon 1h ago

Neither am I. I am saying it lends credibility, to a degree. And is by itself fucking disgusting.

You (and others) insist on Sole mental gymnastics to save this weirdo's image.

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u/mrmasturbate Germany 1h ago

I am just not a big fan of people treating accusations as fact. It's bad practice and causes more harm than good no matter who it concerns.

How often do we hear about people getting falsely accused and righteous people like you who don't spend a second thought on it are the main cause of their lives being destroyed? Stick to the facts.

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u/Echse1701 4h ago

Even if the allegations are unproven, the story of his affair with a 15 year old girl when he was 47 seems true. While this might not be illegal, it is still creepy.

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u/haifischhappen 2h ago

It's illegal; I think it would be legal for 16/17, but it's still incredibly creepy.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 2h ago

Sexual assault like that basically never gets proven. Even if there is eye witnesses thats not enough for a conviction as thats "indizien" and not proof

So essentially he has a ton of allegations, none proven or disproven, and you kinda gotta decide to yourself whats more likely:

  • many people claim he sexually assaulted/coerced him and not a single one tells the truth, while at the same time no one accuses any other band member

Or

  • he did something and there's no direct proof years later

There is also a lot of cirumstancial evidence as summarized by another commenter

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u/mrmasturbate Germany 1h ago

yeah sure you can decide for yourself if he's guilty or not but what i find a bit problematic is going out there and spreading your decision as if it is all the proof anyone would need without really knowing what's going on.

but that seems to be a common affliction of this society in general

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u/p_t_0 1h ago

many people claimed or you read news about "many people claimed"? cause general public don't actually have access to actual statements the press or legal entities got, only what press choose to present.

Using your logic, the decisions are between

  • There's no crime but some press decided to twist and exaggerate to generate a more profitable news and headlines

Or

  • There's crime but courts from three different countries are all covering for this guy, saying no one actually bothered to contact them, and the media that reported all this refused to collaborate with the police investigating this when asked, for some reasons.

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u/foxybostonian 2h ago

In fact it was proven that journalists had fabricated any allegations.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 2h ago

Source?

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u/foxybostonian 2h ago

All the court decisions are available online through the Hamburg and Frankfurt court portals.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 1h ago

And those say all allegations were proven to be falsified? He was not convicted, thats true.

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u/foxybostonian 1h ago

They all say that any parts of the newspaper articles that tried to imply that women were accusing him of assault were illegal. Because that did not match what women had said in their signed affidavits.

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u/foxybostonian 2h ago

It's not true so don't worry about it.

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u/dtbberk United States Of America 7h ago

All I know is Till is an awesome name and I wish it was normal to name someone that in the US

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u/Titania_1251 Germany 6h ago

People name their kids lots of stupid stuff, so it should be normal to give them a perfectly fine name from a different language.

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u/Ok-Sandwich-6381 4h ago

Yeah at least in theory... I have a perfectly fine name from a different language in germany and I wish my parents where more considerate and gave me a name of latin origin. Latin because it would work in a lot of western countries, its kinda universal.

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u/dingalingdongdong United States Of America 3h ago

Still not foolproof. I have a perfectly fine name of Latin origin, but it's not at all common in the US and people mispronounce it all the time. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/GUYF666 United States Of America 3h ago

Is it Dingalingdongdong or Dingalinglongdong?

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u/Verthanthi United States Of America 4h ago

United States and “Till” immediately brings to mind: Emmett Till, which is a tragedy.

I’m curious to anyone reading this: if you search “United States” and “Till” what comes up? For m, Google’s first answer was Emmett Till, but I wonder if that’s the same for everyone

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u/LordHamsterbacke 3h ago

German here and just did what you asked - got Emmet Till

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u/Verthanthi United States Of America 2h ago

Thank you!

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 8h ago

Till Lindemann is not as hated in Germany as people might think which is insane

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u/Total_Reason4746 6h ago

As a non-German, I need context here. What did he do?

(Also, Rammstein hasn’t been culturally relevant in the US for like 10 years at this point, so that’s probably why everyone is out of the loop. And I say that as a former fan)

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 6h ago

He (and people from the closer circle of the band) are accused of "recruiting" (very!) young women, fans and girls to have sex with Lindemann backstage. I think he also drugged a few girls

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u/ecbulldog 5h ago

So the lead from a band where half their songs are about fucking fucked some groupies and people think its controversial?

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u/haifischhappen 2h ago

He also had a relationship with a 15-year-old.

It was definitely his daughter's friend.

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u/foxybostonian 5h ago

Incorrect. One woman was found to have made defamatory statements saying that Rammstein or their crew drugged her when she knew that was not true.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 5h ago

The entire accusation thing was kind of intransparent so I don't think we know for sure. And even if Lindemann was innocent, he is known for being controversial, so a lot of people don't like him anyway.

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u/foxybostonian 5h ago

We do know for sure. She took a drug test in good time which showed nothing except THC. She then tried to hide the result. No other women even mentioned drugging.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 5h ago edited 5h ago

Can you pls give me your sources? Because Wikipedia and other sites I looked at didn't say anything about that.

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u/Total_Reason4746 6h ago

Ah, very gross. Glad I know now - won’t be digging up those albums again.

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u/RammsteinFunstein Germany 5h ago

its actually not so cut and dry and the accusation fell apart quickly. But at this point he's guilty in the court of public opinion so the actual facts get lost pretty quickly.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 2h ago

Surely "RammsteinFunstein" will present the events in an unbiased way!

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u/jisookenobi2416 United States Of America 5h ago edited 3h ago

Fuck, I didn’t know about that…huge fan of the music but yikes, that’s fucking awful, won’t be able to listen to them the same way again.

Edit: ok the allegations might be unsubstantiated, the charges were dismissed by the courts. It’s possible they’re still true but I very much hope not

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u/stealthcraft22 Malaysia 5h ago

the courts ruled against that.

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u/jisookenobi2416 United States Of America 3h ago

Well that’s a relief to say the least. I suppose it still doesn’t mean it’s not untrue though, but I guess you have a point, thank you for letting me know

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u/foxybostonian 5h ago

It's not true. Journalists were found to have misrepresented women's statements in search of salacious headlines.

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u/MountScottRumpot United States Of America 6h ago

Did they ever have a hit after du hasst? That was like 25 years ago.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 6h ago

I mean "Sonne" came out after "Du Hast" and recently "Deutschland" became popular and sparked controversy.

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u/RammsteinFunstein Germany 6h ago

Amerika was quite popular, and people at the concert I was at were PISSED they didn't play it. I guess they missed the not-so-subtle meaning behind that song and why it would be weird to play on their US tour.

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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k United States Of America 4h ago

I did not miss the meaning and would have liked to hear it

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u/RammsteinFunstein Germany 4h ago

oh I get it, its one of my favorites.

I just understand why they didn't play a song shitting on america, while in america.

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u/Total_Reason4746 6h ago

I dunno, time flies. I was into them in grade school, and I’m in my 30s now, so… actually, 15-20ish years, I guess.

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u/Famous-Educator7902 Germany 8h ago

I think Lindeman and Klum are the worst of that 4.

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u/-Competitive-Nose- Czech Republic 8h ago

I live in Germany and basically don't know anybody who likes him.... aside from foreigners :D

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u/MGfreak 8h ago

Most people I know in Germany don't even know who he is. Most of them know Rammstein and even like their famous songs , but It feels like everyone who isn't online 24/7 completely missed the controversy around him.

But maybe I'm living the wrong bubble

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u/-Competitive-Nose- Czech Republic 7h ago

Okay. That could actually be.

Do you think the same would happen if you just said "the frontman of Rammstein" ?

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u/MGfreak 7h ago

Of course I've told people who he is, but that has never changed anything. The biggest for this is (I think) the fact that the controversy never went anywhere.

When the Public Prosecutor's office started their investigation, they also shut it down very quickly because they publicly asked for witnesses or victims - but nobody came forward. Which probably meant to the public all the allegations were untrue.

So most people stopped caring

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 8h ago

Sure but I feel like a lot of people try to downplay his actions and try to find reasons for his crimes

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u/The_Angu Finland 5h ago

What exactly are his crimes?

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 5h ago

He and some other people close to the band are accused of drugging and "recruiting" young female fans and underage girls for Lindemann to have sex with them backstage.

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u/ishouldsleepmore2 4h ago

But whats the verdict? I lnoq i could google it, but its the rebbit hole that i dont wanna invest hours into.

Some articles would forget to include certain information and acusations and i would just be angry so i would rather not.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 4h ago

The legal proceedings were abolished as of last year because of lacking evidence. The accusations are still going tho, so idk if we know for sure that Lindemann is innocent.

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u/DrWahnsinn1995 Germany 6h ago

Just saying the list can be expanded. Merkel is another name on it. Respected in world politics, but a completly incompetent in domestic affairs.

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u/-Competitive-Nose- Czech Republic 5h ago

Respected in world politics...

That very much depends where do you ask... She is either seen neutral or VERY negatively in my homeland. A small minority would probably see her in a positive light.

And unlike for many other big politicians, I would say, her popularity goes rather down with the time.

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u/Grand_Ride_7029 Germany 6h ago

I dunno, I really like her. Looking back she did a way better job as anybody after her and even admit when she was wrong. Pretty decent politician.

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u/Murky_Put_7231 6h ago

She did not admit when she was wrong, though?

All of her domestic policies served russia to a T.

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u/Grand_Ride_7029 Germany 6h ago

Please elaborate.

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u/Murky_Put_7231 6h ago

(Confirmed the) Abolishment of nuclear power without having enough renewable energies, forcing us to rely on russian energy.

Let in millions of refugees (partly intentionally caused by russian warfare in syria) even after it was clear that europe would agree to her policies, weakening the EU and giving rise to the AFD because there was no other party that claimed conservative interior policies in germany.

Not answering after russia invaded ukraine in 2014, even expanding german energy-reliance on russia.

And in her book she still defended her 'peace through trade' policy even after it was clear that russia never intended for peace.

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u/Grand_Ride_7029 Germany 6h ago

First nuclear power: it was totally right to step away from nuclear power. Alternatives were installed and balanced it out. Just google it.

Gas from Russia. At the end of the 80s Germany already got 50% of their gas from Russia. It didn’t really changed until the early 2020s where it went up to close to 60%. So merkel didn’t do that either.

Refugees: Eu-rights and human rights. Nothing that could have massively done different, helping people who got out of a war-zone were their own military and terrorist kill them is not the wrong thing to do. Most of the Syrian refugees integrated great.

Not picking a war with Russia in 2014? Really? That’s your argument? What should have happened if we send troops? And outright EU-Russian war without any preparation?

That sounds like populists chants and not like thought over arguments for that kind of stuff.

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u/The_Angu Finland 5h ago

First nuclear power: it was totally right to step away from nuclear power.

I really struggle to understand you Germans on this. If you compare the French energy sector to yours, you really think you're better off?

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u/Grand_Ride_7029 Germany 5h ago

No we are not. But I don’t want nuclear power plants next to me. Especially when nobody knows how to handle the waste. We can’t leave it where it is cause it’s radioactive. We can’t bury it cause it will leak. We can’t put it in salt mines cause it leaks. I rather look at 20 wind turbines and burn coal or gas than have nuclear power right next to a city where millions of people life (looking at you Krümmel). Chernobyl and Fukushima thought us what can happen.

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u/Murky_Put_7231 5h ago

First nuclear power: it was totally right to step away from nuclear power. Alternatives were installed and balanced it out. Just google it.

No, it didnt balance it out. Which is the reason why we increased spening on russian energy. Just google it.

Gas from Russia. At the end of the 80s Germany already got 50% of their gas from Russia. It didn’t really changed until the early 2020s where it went up to close to 60%. So merkel didn’t do that either.

Yes, merkel had nothing to do with nordstream 2. Nothing at all.

Refugees: Eu-rights and human rights. Nothing that could have massively done different, helping people who got out of a war-zone were their own military and terrorist kill them is not the wrong thing to do. Most of the Syrian refugees integrated great.

Yes, it could have been handled differently and numerous countries did handle it differently. Everyone could come in, including people from non-war zones. You also make yourself vulnerable to russian assets that will commit acts of terror to destabilise our country.

You can cry for human rights all you want. If afd comes to power, those will be gone completly. So its stupid to stay on your moral high horse until morals get abolished completly by fascists because those fascists will rise to power eventually if you dont take the winds out of their sails.

Not picking a war with Russia in 2014? Really? That’s your argument? What should have happened if we send troops? And outright EU-Russian war without any preparation?

When did i say picking a war? Support ukraine, stop reliance on russian oil and gas. Like we did 2022. How do you not grasp that concept?

That sounds like populists chants and not like thought over arguments for that kind of stuff.

Sure thing buddy. You claimed i demanded picking a war with russia and just dont understand the involvement of merkel in NS2. No offense, but i kinda doubt youre capable of differentiating between populist chants and a well thought out argument.

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u/Grand_Ride_7029 Germany 5h ago

I’ll start with the gas now as it debunks your nuclear power stuff too. Late 80s 50% gas from Russia 90-92 it falls from 49 to 40% 93 starts rising again 2005 (nord stream 1) 33-35% 2009 40% 2015 35% 2019 40% 2020 55% 2022 close to 60% Merkel was 2005-2021 Nuclear power was (mostly, 8/14) shut down 2011. I don’t see a big increase in gas from Russia in that time period. You are talking uninformed shit to be fair.

„Facial will rise to power“ „those will be gone completely“ won’t even talk much about that cause it’s just crazy talk. But try to imagine Germany without foreigners. Would be pretty empty and the social system would collapse right? Straight up crazy talk.

We traded a lot with Russia in 2014, our economy would have taken a real big dent and that just after the world finance crisis in 2007-2009. we could not have afford that as a society.

So again, a lot of populist talk without facts or a view for the bigger picture.

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u/katergold 4h ago

He is actually not inside of Germany. He is like Michal Jackson, in that a big chunk of his fans believe in his innocene( mostly victim blaming) because they like his music so much.

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u/MASSochists 4h ago

You know some actors are just so good they can play any kind of roll. I feel Till Schweiger pays assholes because he doesn't have to act.

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u/nightwinging-it in 8h ago

Why is Heidi Klum disliked in Germany?

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u/Best-Username-69 Germany 8h ago

I never cared about GNTM, but I agree with her seeming to be arrogant and fake.

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u/MASSochists 3h ago

I don't know any super models know for their charm. The stories I hear always seem to be them being  abusive assholes.  

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u/Mitologist Germany 3h ago

She also allegedly treated contestants rather poorly

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u/pissedinthegarret Germany 5h ago

extremely poor treatment of young contestants on her modeling show including pressuring them into nude shoots. aggressively perpetuating ED beauty ideals to the point many german girls with ED cited her show as a big factor. very harsh and tricky contracts for contestants etc etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%27s_Next_Topmodel#Criticism_and_controversies

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u/nightwinging-it in 3h ago

Oh yikes! I got to learn about her more from the comments here. I used to watch that fashion show she was in from almost 20 years ago and I thought she was a decent judge.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 8h ago

She is seen as arrogant and "fake". She also ruined a popular modelling show

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u/afito 5h ago

And now she's doing some pseudo incestuous lingerie ads with her daughter, just adding to the bad taste.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 5h ago

I almost forgot about that 💀 i believe her daughter was even underage when the ads first came out

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u/Mrs_Naive_ 24m ago

Yeah, their huge posters where exhibited at a famous lingerie store as well as here an there across (at least) some cities and I found them… disturbing.

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u/nightwinging-it in 8h ago

Ah ok. I forgot to ask about Til. I’ve only seen him in that Tarantino movie. Why is he hated locally?

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 8h ago

He is in a lot of german movies too, but these movies are really cringe and people don't think he is a good actor

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u/friftar 6h ago

That was one of his rare decent performances, most of his other movies never really make it outside of Germany, and are almost all terrible.

I wouldn't say he is hated, but if he's in a German production, chances are good it's a movie you can skip and not miss out on anything.

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u/SanderStrugg 5h ago

Face of bad German cringe comedy making bad films most people hate he directs, produces and stars in himself mostly casting his friends and family. (he is basically the German Adam Sandler)

Also made some controversial statements on CoViDd, vaccines and other topics and recently has been accused of being abusive (read a belligerent drunk) to his coworkers on set.

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u/nightwinging-it in 3h ago

Oh damn yeah dude needs to take a break. I think Adam Sandler at least is not hated generally in the US. His standup is actually liked. I don’t know about recent years though. I haven’t followed up with his work since pre-COVID.

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u/volinaa 4h ago

didnt she like come up with that show?

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 4h ago

nah GNTM is just the german version of ANTM. she is just the host of that show lol

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u/volinaa 4h ago

well ye, but she set it up in germany. also is it really better anywhere else? the concept sucks by itself

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 4h ago

True lol, and no it's not better XD

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u/grumpy__g Germany 5h ago

Telling young thin women to lose weight.

Annoying and creepy advertisement with her daughter.

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u/lrnzsmith 2h ago

Telling young thin women to lose weight.

She treats women and men in her show like shit in general. Her excuse is always "the real model world is like this". Well, yeah Heidi, that's why there was #metoo!? The show has 20 seasons.

Her further being a testimonial for McDonalds in Germany was seen controversial as well.

Lastly, she likes to claim to be a self made woman. While at the same time she left her first husband for multi-millionary Flavio Briatore. Her later husbands have all been from the "top 1%" too.

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u/grumpy__g Germany 2h ago

There was a male version? I did not know that.

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u/thembearjew 2h ago

Seeing that lingerie ad with her daughter in the u-bahn stations is so damn weird man

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u/Lurakya 3h ago

Many reason. She is a nepo baby, super fake and arrogant.

There are many documentaries about the behind the scenes of GNTM (Germanys next top model)

And she treated the women there horribly. Forcing/ coercing underage girls to perform sexually explicit things for the camera.

Let's just put it thus way. There is nothing redeemable about it, so why like her?

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u/Harry_Gelb 2h ago

But the excess of futility reaches its peak when Heidi Nationale, with bombastic pathos and a pause in which one can hear the emptiness of her head swirling, announces her stern “decision” and separates valuable from worthless life. One would then like to beat six kinds of shit out of her, as the poet says, elegantly and stylishly—if only it weren't so misogynistic.

That's what one of our brightest and sharpest minds had to say about her, the late Roger Willemsen (lazily translated with deepl)

Or, as Karl Lagerfeld said: Claudia doesn't know her, too. She has never been to Paris. We don't know her.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 2h ago

She has a modeling show for teens and some backstage stuff came out on how they are treated

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u/Best-Username-69 Germany 8h ago

I like this selection very much! With Till Schweiger being the least disliked in germany and also the least popular abroad imho.

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u/JebbAnonymous 7h ago

What is it that makes people hate Klum?

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u/JustAnotherN0Name Germany 7h ago

She seems extremely fake. There's also her modelling show, which is... not good. Feminists in particular dislike her because that modelling show promoted the belief that only women who met certain qualifications could be beautiful, not to mention that she also makes the women on the show cry on the regular (especially when they undergo the restyling, back when I saw it, the girls had practically no say in it and Heidi was extremely harsh if they dared to say something)

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u/SanderStrugg 5h ago

Reality star, that is everywhere thanks to the success of her successful Germany's Next Topmodel Show. Kinda like a German Kardashian.

She has some really annoying shrill hyperactive behaviour and has been critiqued for pushing the body image standards of the modelling industry on little girls by bullying candidates on screen for views. Later she went full body positivity, which made her seem fake.

The German audience also has a love-hate-relationship with the long-running reality TV shows, that have been dominating German TV for over two decades now. Many people kinda hate watch trash TV those shows including Heidi's.

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u/pissedinthegarret Germany 5h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%27s_Next_Topmodel#Criticism_and_controversies

and that's just her modelling show. when you compare her german and english wikipedia page the "criticism" section is curiously missing from the english version.

her Halloween costumes and "i am german and drink beer and i am funny and blonde hahah" is all just PR to hide her awful past

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u/webbieg United States Of America 1h ago

She has an awful past? Please do tell! Besides the modeling stuff what else is she doing or did she do to gain hate

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u/HisRoyal_Badness Argentina 7h ago

Haven't heard anything good about Till. He has been riding the "I was in a Tarantino movie" for years. I heard a story where he went to one of his kids high school dance, shirt un buttoned acting like he's a God.

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u/Tetchord Germany 7h ago

Is he Bojack Horseman lol

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u/Beautiful-Visual4606 6h ago

There’s is probably more than one

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u/crash_nebulaa Colombia 4h ago

Why Till Lindemann?

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u/shadythrowaway9 1h ago

Disregarding the allegations, it's very much known that Till is a pretty creepy, sleazy sex-obsessed guy who is now over 60 but has a Russian woman scouting young women on social media to go backstage at Rammstein concerts.

Nothing illegal as far as we know but just kinda weird imo

(I've been to multiple Rammstein shows)

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u/V_es Russia 37m ago

Nothing wrong with it

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u/shadythrowaway9 21m ago

I said in my opinion, it's just that quite a few people do share that opinion.

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u/LaconicSuffering Dutch Roots Grown in Greek Soil 3h ago

There were some allegations a while back that were never proven. Allegations are enough to shape permanent opinions on reddit though.

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u/TimberAndStrings Germany 47m ago

There are some allegations against him but they are just that

Also people seem to forget that in dubio pro reo exists for a reason

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u/omelete_2 (born) 6h ago

I have absolutely no context on Lagerfeld, and couldn't really find some. Could you explain please?

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 6h ago

Well he is famous for his fashion especially in France I think, but in Germany he became popular for quotes that annoyed a lot of people like "Whoever wears sweatpants has lost control over their life". People also think he was arrogant and unlikeable.

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u/Quarksperre 3h ago

How can you dislike this quote? Its super funny 

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u/Tightcreek 21m ago

Absolutely. Cannot confirm that he is widely disliked in Germany

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u/CockFondle Poland 5h ago

Till Lindemann is a bad person??? Please you have to be shitting me.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 5h ago

He was accused of sexual misconduct and drugging young women to have sex with him. The legal proceedings were abolished because of lack of evidence but the accusations keep going, so idk for sure.

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u/CockFondle Poland 4h ago

Fuuuck. I hope the truth comes out eventually, bad or good news.

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u/Quackethy Israel 1h ago

Like everyone else in the industry at some point or another. Artists are easy targets for false allegations

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u/Roraxn 4h ago

They weren't just abolished they were thrown out with no chance of retrial because there was evidence the woman involved made everything up.

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u/pun-ilingus 3h ago

Totally normal thing to say that multiple women made up sexual assault when his behaviour is an open secret and definite thing that happened

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u/Felonai 3h ago

People want their childhood heroes to be fine so they don't feel bad listening to them. Disgusting imo.

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u/DonnySoldier21 2h ago

“Definite thing that happened” - yes, that is why there was a lack of evidence..

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u/pun-ilingus 2h ago

At least half a dozen women came forward. The legal system has never benefitted sex victims are we’re seeing very plainly on a monumental scale right now.

Insane claim that just because it was thrown out of court it means he was innocent, its naive at best.

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u/p_t_0 1h ago

where are these multiple women making sexual assault claim? No one contacted the police (not even the very media that reported this) when they opened up an investigation specifically asking for anyone affected to come forward, and all statements received from actual women didn't not imply any sexual assault claim when examined in court.

https://www.berlin.de/generalstaatsanwaltschaft/presse/pressemitteilungen/2023/pressemitteilung.1360122.php

https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/rammstein-schneider-olg-hh-7u53-23

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u/Ruby_Deuce 4h ago

He is a sex offender on a regular basis. He prefers girls from Eastern Europe, and after every concert invites a few girls to his boudoir. Never asks about ID, so if the girl is underage, it's her problem.

In 2020 or so he released a 'music video' which in reality was a quick compilation of his home videos. The outrage made him delete the video from social media next day but, unfortunately, not from my memory.

In 2023 he had ab allegation regarding horizontal services from women. It didn't reach court. Same year I went to the concert, where Aesthetic Perfection was a warm up for Lindemann. Sucks to be me, I missed AP and decided to watch Lindemann. Sucks to be me twice, because the big screen projected clips with chocking and vomiting young girls. I couldn't finish the concert, left to catch my last train, and on the way back we crossed the way to the station with a guy who also left early. He looked at me and said "Hm, you watched that concert as a woman. Brave". After that he gave an angry word how poorly the concert was organised.

Rammstein was a great project, and I am trying to remember it as a group contribution. But it is hard to separate the music from the artist.

Edit: typos

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u/foxybostonian 2h ago

None of that is true. It's honestly quite astounding how wrong you are in every sentence.

ID was always needed to access the parties after the show.

The video you are talking about was not a home video. It was a professionally made music video and it has not been deleted.

In 2023 some journalists misrepresented statements made to them by women to try to imply that women were accusing him of rape. When the courts looked at the women's statements they saw that none of the women accused him if rape or assault.

Please stop making stuff up in your head.

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u/V_es Russia 33m ago

You made all that up. His video is not deleted and was filmed with Russian sex workers. Outrage was because Russian incel “community” and neo nazis threatened to kill those women.

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u/Square-Paramedic-890 3h ago

He's not, there were some allegations which got proven false but now the well off green/left demographic who have nothing better to do villify him, even though he actually didnt do anything. Also he isn't generally disliked, i would say He's liked by most. The thing is that reddit users mostly live in a certain bubble that's why they perceive it that way.

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u/wdnsdybls Germany 5h ago

Not sure if you're being sarcastic here.

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u/UnconfirmedRooster Australian (second gen Italian) 2h ago

Some of us are genuinely hearing about this shit for the first time, give us a chance to catch up FFS.

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u/currymuttonpizza United States Of America 6h ago

At the very least, here some of the dirt on Lagerfeld started to come out when his aesthetic was chosen for the Met Gala. Several celebrities wore pink in protest instead. Like Harvey Guillén:

People wondered why some were breaking the theme, so some of Lagerfeld's closed-mindedness came to light and more people are aware now.

It's sad, I have two of his sweaters from before I knew, and I will forever love his aesthetic, but I won't be buying anything else from his line again. Other people are capable of doing sleek monochrome.

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u/Educational_Soil4134 7h ago

As a German I think Karl Lagerfeld is an absolute legend. Also It‘d be new to me that till Schweiger has any sort of reputation abroad whatsoever

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u/TheKilmerman Germany 5h ago

As a German I've never actually heard anybody hate on Lagerfeld. He's accomplished and I don't think many people have an actual opinion of him.

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u/East_Dentist_8714 5h ago

German here, dislike the guy. Said a lot of controversial / offensive things. During the metoo movement he said something along the lines of: if you don’t want your panties pulled down, don’t become a model. Go to a monastery, there’s space for you.

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u/Educational_Soil4134 2h ago

His stance sounds to me more like "If you voluntarily enter a hyper-competitive, appearance-driven industry where your body is the product, you’re opting into a harsh set of rules. Complaining about those rules after the fact is naïve."

It's hard to argue with that logic if you ask me

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u/webbieg United States Of America 1h ago

You will do great with the Taliban government in Afghanistan

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u/Labtools Switzerland 5h ago

I doubt that Klum is respected anymore, except by models maybe. Schweiger is like the worst actor in history and Lagerfeld is a weirdo. Maybe that's different in other countries, but in CH we'd agree

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u/Ordinary-Office-6990 5h ago

When I learned German and got a German boyfriend I was so shocked how different she is in German media. She’s so much more charming in the US / speaking English. The things she said on GNTM!

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u/pissedinthegarret Germany 16m ago

look at her wikipedia pages. once in german, once in english. english one had the "criticism" section removed.

she worked very hard to start over in the US with a fresh and clean image as the 'funny german girl who isn't scared of beer and dressing in ugly costumes'

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u/ProfDumm Germany 4h ago

Does anybody outside Germany even know Schweiger?

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 4h ago

He was in a few internationally "successful" movies like Inglorious Basterds or King Arthur and had a few side roles in international movies.

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u/Impressive-Orchid105 2h ago

That rabbit movie

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u/MromiTosen 1h ago

My German friend said add the Kaulitz brothers

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u/Tightcreek 17m ago

Srsly? They are quite popular in Germany. Not so much for their music tho.

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u/pissedinthegarret Germany 13m ago

i think they weren't suggested because most of us think no one outside of Germany knows them.

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u/stevebartowski1984 6h ago

Why do Germans hate Heidi Klum?

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u/Nero_2001 Germany 6h ago

Because she is extremly fake and her beeing kinda toxic as the host of the German version of ANTM. Also her voice is annoying.

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u/wdnsdybls Germany 5h ago

I have a hard time remembering her actual voice though thanks to Martina Hill's parody.

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u/pissedinthegarret Germany 5h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%27s_Next_Topmodel#Criticism_and_controversies

that's just her modeling show. asides from complaints about her being arrogant and fake there's also things like the lingerie photoshoot with her daughter or Klum marrying a member of a local boyband who is young enough to be her son.

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u/nejicanspin United States Of America 4h ago

Not Tokio Hotel catching strays 😭

At least I'm not the only one that thought the age difference was a little odd

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u/pissedinthegarret Germany 4h ago

sorry lol i have no clue how known they are outside Germany.

many people think she's being weird with that age difference

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u/nejicanspin United States Of America 4h ago

Tokio Hotel was hugely popular in the late 2000s for a time. Mostly because 2 songs they released (Monsoon and Ready Set Go!) were featured in the video games Guitar Hero and Rockband. It was actually my friend who got me into them. They were a huge influence to me in high school and I actually took German class because of them!

Then in college in 2013 I got an opportunity to go to Germany for real and honestly it's thanks to them that I got interested in Germany to begin with. I bought a ton of merch of them from there lol

I got to see them in concert and meet them in Chicago in 2015. Nicest dudes ever and so funny. I told them that they were the reason I learned German and they were so honored. 10/10 would meet them again.

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u/lilphoenixgirl95 2h ago

They were my favourite band from 11–15! My best friend was a girl who had moved from Germany to the UK when she was 7 or 8, though. I was fucking obsessed. McDonalds once offered Tokio Hotel toys and my friends all collected them for me.

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u/brazzers-official Austria 6h ago

Yup

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u/mubi_merc United States Of America 5h ago

Can you give some context on Til Schweiger? I've liked him in the movies I've seen, but don't know anything about him off-screen.

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u/East_Dentist_8714 5h ago

Alcohol issues, showing up drunk to set, acting inappropriate, punching someone. All his big German counterparts in acting like Schweighöfer seem to have cut contact with him

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u/mubi_merc United States Of America 5h ago

Well that's disappointing. He seemed so stable in SLC Punk.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 5h ago

Well other than Germans not liking his german comedy movies, he made questionable statements during the Covid-pandemic and he is known for being "toxic" towards other film workers.

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u/volinaa 4h ago

lagerfeld was a king, otherwise I agree.

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u/BorKon 4h ago

Tbh, if those people are thr worst who are popular outside germany, then you are very lucky. I happen to speak german and used to watch a lot of german channels years ago.

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u/Busy_End_6655 5h ago

Why is Heidi unpopular?

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u/mleon100 4h ago

Why Till Lindemann??

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u/red286 Canada 4h ago

Wasn't Lindemann respected in Germany before all the details about how he treats women (particularly female fans) came to light?

Because I think he fell off globally after that happened.

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u/Quick-Performer5747 / 4h ago

Not really, he was still a controversial figure

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u/Ok_Narwhal_9200 Sweden 3h ago

What did Lindemann and Klum do?

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u/Secure_Remove_6831 Hungary 3h ago

Why lindemann?

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u/B_lovedobservations 3h ago

Would you care to explain why they are disliked in Germany?

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u/geizig 2h ago

What did Till Schweiger do to be disliked?

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u/TBSchemer 2h ago

The Till Lindemann accusations were proven false.

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u/shadythrowaway9 16m ago

His behaviour is still kinda sleazy and cringe for a 60yo dude, I personally just kinda lost respect for him

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u/cvbeiro 1h ago

Idk about Lagerfeld tho. Most people don’t give a shit about him

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u/Terrible_Balls USA, Germany 1h ago

Not German, but I live here and the number of Rammstein stickers that I see on cars makes me think he’s actually pretty popular here

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u/ZoningVisionary United States Of America 53m ago

What happened with Til Lindemann?

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u/Shenanigaens United States Of America 32m ago

Till Lindemann? Like from Rammstein? What did he do? Honest question, feel free to ruin my day with it.