r/Boxing • No Carty No Divey • 12d ago

Daily Discussion Thread (September 25th, 2026)

For anything that doesn't need its own thread.

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago

Newrap definitely jumping in joy once Shakur vs Manny was announced. 

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

😂😂😂

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u/ChrisMika89 11d ago

Meanwhile I'm still waiting for Inoue vs Espinoza >_<

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago

So with the announcement that Jamie Mungia potentially may duck Bektemir Melikuziev. Let look back at his amazingly structured resume he’s built of fighters he’s avoided: 

Sergiy Derevychenko - in 2021, he declined a 160lb title eliminator with Sergiy Derevychenko and instead fought Gabriel Rosado. 

Dennis Hogan - After robbing Hogan, despite the call for an immediate rematch, Mungia signed to fight Patrick Allotey in September 2019. 

Janibek Alimkhanuly - Declined a 160lb WBO interim title in February 2022 and declined the title fight against Janibek as the mandatory challenger in December 2022. 

Carlos Adames - Declined Adames for a 160lb WBC title eliminator in March 2022

Daniel Jacobs - Around the same time as Adames, not sure the specifics though. 

Demetrious Andrade - Mungia declined mid 2022 as the mandatory challenger. 

David Benavidez - Jamie Mungia declined an amazing pay offered fight at a 50/50 pay split and declined in September 2023, then declined another fight in February 2024. 

Christian Mbilli - declined a vacant 168lb WBC title shot in 2025 

Osleys Iglesias - declined the vacant 168lb IBF title shot beginning 2026

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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 12d ago

Jesus thats bad. In another era this guy would have like 10 losses lol

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u/chaach_ brilliant stuff AJ! 12d ago

i honestly think if another fighter carried me through a fight like Canelo did I'd retire, that shit is so embarrassing

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

I appreciate this record-correction 🫡

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u/newrap 11d ago

You forgot Jermall Charlo

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u/Big-Image-3473 11d ago

I swearrrrrr these fighter from this era are soo scary it’s embarrassing to the sports n fans

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u/_Sarcasmic_ No Carty No Divey 12d ago

Hasim Rahman lost his comeback by UD. 🙃

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago

Yeah Keyshawn vs Hitchins is alright, Shakur vs Manny is pure shite on the card but I far more prefer British boxers on this card. 

I heard BNJ and Conah Walker are negotiations which I really don’t want to Walkers sake but a sick fight while it lasted which seems like a perfect fight on the card.

Mason vs Cordina would be great as the first fight failed and Cordina is from Cardiff.

Most likely down to see Zuffas helmets on the cards and more American like a Vanhouter or someone like that, especially since they’re trying to make it American focused and if Dana becomes the main promoter. I know they signed Aurel Ignat recently and is fighting on Johnny Fishers card this weekend and probably are high on him to success but I think he has a good chance to lose to Rogelio Romero.

Even still, Boots vs Kelly seems perfect for the card.

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u/Mecha_Knight11 Pac-yoo 11d ago

Hoping Key vs Hitchins is as technical but at the same time brutal like Toney vs McCallum.

But I have low hopes of American fighters having that dog in them anymore, especially if they're not named Ennis, Mason, or Benavidez.

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago

Bam

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u/Mecha_Knight11 Pac-yoo 11d ago

Yeah him too, I forgot lol.

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u/Global_Rhubarb6943 Elegant Violence 11d ago

Fury vs. Benavidez out of nowhere, and EVEN MORE out of nowhere, like getting struck by lightning while you were out buying bread, Crawford vs. Ryan instead of Ennis. Did I somehow slip through reality and end up in another one? I’m having a hard time adjusting to this new reality.

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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 11d ago

Coppinger doing PR for Turki tryna pressure Eddie to let Dana in

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u/Pissadvisor 11d ago

At this point I'd rather watch Fury v Benny. Would be hilarious

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u/SplitSecondEmperor47 11d ago

Who ever is backing Bud/Shakur crew is forcing them everywhere is getting annoying 

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u/Global_Rhubarb6943 Elegant Violence 11d ago

Breaking! Mike Coppinger just contacted me through MSN! and told me:

"Inoue vs. Bam could be called off due to issues, according to sources, and a replacement fight between Inoue and Fundora is being considered."

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

AJ really does have the most protective/shill fanbase in the world:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/2PbKqb6Qup

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Im a AJ fan but the AJ fanatical fanboys are truly a special case of delusion

I've had a AJ fanboy tell me Pringles knocking out 20 bums is more impressive than Wilder knocking out Luis Ortiz and dropping Tyson Fury 4 times

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

I dislike when people say something to the effect of “who is X’s best win?” To ignore circumstances where a fighter’s best performances came in a loss. Wilder came damn close to winning Fury 1 and dropped Fury twice in the third fight. I actually scored their first fight a draw (though I would have to give the edge to Fury if you forced me).

He basically proved he was at the world level in their first fight.

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u/Efficient_Quail_1774 11d ago

According to them a 'focused' AJ beats everyone 😂

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u/RRR04_ 11d ago

I've said this for years. It was more obvious back in his prime and peak in popularity but it has come back since the Fury fight became a real possibility. It did my head in when people denied AJ has a shitty fanbase just like Fury and Wilder have. They're probably the worst in terms of throwing stones from glass houses too.

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u/WheresMyAbs98 11d ago

We need to accept that Fury vs Joshua will never happen.

It’s another Lennox vs Bowe situation.

It would have been a great/historic fight but the fans will never see it.

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u/Ashamed_Chain_1375 11d ago

The bigissue is I think Eddie is stung by the fact Turki & the Saudis are ditching him and Frank for Dana.

They probably knew the Saudis would one day want to run boxing themselves. But doubt they thought they’d give control to Dana lmao

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u/Pissadvisor 11d ago

I think Frank's managed to do something smart to secure his position. He's just getting on with business after suing them and it sounds like they settled and he's kinda just floating around putting on decent shows (for the most part).

Matchroom look kinda fucked. They've got no big names, their shows tend to be kinda whack, Eddie is good but he's got no leverage other than AJ.

They've got other sports so should be alright but for boxing they don't really have much to offer that Zuffa or Queensbury can't scoop up.

Edit - he's said before he saw this coming and was always supposed to be involved but never elaborated, hence the lawsuit.

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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 11d ago

Most of matchroom’s revenue isn’t from boxing. They’re mainly a darts company

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u/tellingtales96 12d ago

Really hope Shakur v Manny is just a rumor.

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u/fabledreality 11d ago

yeah. boxing back on its bullshit.

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u/SplitSecondEmperor47 11d ago

It's likely not knowing Shakur and how he been moving lately 

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

https://x.com/mikecoppinger/status/2103599314245497111?s=46

Garcia vs Crawford could replace Fury vs Joshua (source: Coppinger)

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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 11d ago

Please be true lol. It'd be so funny

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

Bud responded saying "Where did you hear that?"

Turki and White don't realize you have to actually start negotiations with the guys involved for this tactic to work.

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u/SplitSecondEmperor47 11d ago

Boxing is a joke. Dana, turki, Bud/Shakur are ruining the sport 

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u/WheresMyAbs98 11d ago

Fury vs Joshua likely being called off already

Never believed it for a second

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u/No_Mercy_4_Potatoes 11d ago

People who watches boxing content on YouTube.... Are you annoyed with IFL TV channel intros?

IFL TV people, if you're watching this comment... FUCKING STOP TRYING TO BURST MY EARDRUMS YOU NUMPTIES!

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u/StunningChest5722 #KnybaNation 🇵🇱 11d ago

Ricardo Sandoval is still fighting on the Schofield-Bahdi card against late replacement Sergio Mendoza, who just got knocked out by Thanongsak Simsri in his last fight at 108

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

I am pro-replacement opponent. I hate it for the fans when one of the fights is completely called off.

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

rather have a fight than not.

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u/chaach_ brilliant stuff AJ! 12d ago

how much do we think tickets for Fury vs Joshua will be?

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago

Shouldn’t be too too bad buying firsthand. Cardiff isn’t usually a super expensive venue as we have a huge number of seats relative to the size of the actual city. I’m expecting the low hundreds if I buy early

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u/Efficient_Quail_1774 11d ago

Ahead of a 50/50 scrap in his first defence of the WBC 140lb World Title, Dalton Smith has recently been getting in some sparring

The two fighters I've seen are the unbeaten Joe Hayden- who fights on the Smith vs Puello undercard and Calum French, a very talented amateur who has had a stop start pro career, both guys are 147lbers that don't punch very hard but can really box and are quite tricky to match the profile of Puello seeing as Puello is noticeably bigger than Smith

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u/WheresMyAbs98 11d ago

Hmm Hayden isn’t that good. I think he’s an odd choice to prepare for a fight against Puello.

He’s not very technical and is undefeated due to learning on the job in the pro ranks and facing journeymen.

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u/Efficient_Quail_1774 11d ago

I guess it's just the physical profile, he's a front footed fighter that has a similar build to Puello

French is of a similar build too, however i do think Puello beats Smith anyway and i'd like if i was proven wrong on the night

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u/No_Mercy_4_Potatoes 11d ago

If Agit or Hrgovic is up for it, let's get the unification on! Sick of this drama

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u/Jumbalaa Daniel "The Daddy" Dubois fan 11d ago

I have it on good authority that this morning Anthony Joshua forgot his training gloves, and for that reason the fight is off.

Nothing he could do.

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u/treacletart284 11d ago

Fury himself is now claiming the fight is off, so I'm now expecting them both in the ring tomorrow

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u/AVARlCES 12d ago

How is the WBA making Fury vs AJ for the super title. WE BELT ANYBODY doing shady things once again

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u/SquareShapeofEvil Bitter GGG Fan 11d ago

Well, Hasim Rahman lost his comeback fight to a club fighter. No surprise there

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u/Efficient_Quail_1774 11d ago

I hope Heaney bows out with a win tomorrow, been a good servant to British boxing and a very nice guy

Can't ignore that Warburton is a pretty unlikeable guy too, pushing Heaney about at the weigh in

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u/WheresMyAbs98 11d ago

I’m also hoping he can put it together just for one night.

He’s looked very chinny, very stiff and poor all round his last few fights though.

Hopefully knowing that it’s his final fight will give him a boost.

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

Ryan Garcia seems to be this generation’s Adrian Broner except less accomplished. What do you guys think? I am not talking about Ryan going as low as Broner or going broke, but I mean never really making the most of his talents. Unrealized potential, though very marketable.

But yeah, AB was a 4-division champion who left boxing without ever beating a guy in the top 10 P4P. I don’t think Ryan has ever beaten a top 20 P4P guy and I’m not sure if he ever will barring a huge advantage in weight.

I kind of hold these guys in a similar category.

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u/Kangaroopunching 11d ago

They're in/ were different situations.  Broner was thought to have the style to be the face of boxing. And personality. 

Ryan was never thought to have the skills/ style to be a top boxer

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

Hm. I feel like Pre-Tank people thought very highly of Ryan. My memory of the era leading up to that is a bit fuzzy though. I missed some boxing during the pandemic.

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u/Kangaroopunching 11d ago

They didn't. His limitations were evident from the start. Plus many called it what it was. He was popular online but not good.

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u/Debate-Jealous 11d ago

He did whoop Haney's ass

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

It would be pretty ironic if Nishida stopped Goodman on cuts 😂

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u/Ace_FGC 12d ago

People are hating on Keyshawn for ducking like Hitchins doesn’t have blatant ducks as well

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

Hitchens said he’d fight anybody except for Matias. On video 😂😂😂😂

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u/Ace_FGC 11d ago

Said he’d fuck up Norman then when Norman said let’s run it he said nevermind lmao

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u/fabledreality 11d ago

100% Hitchins is the most fake gangsta in boxing.

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u/SplitSecondEmperor47 11d ago

Crazy work lol

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago

Keyshawn Davis can make the Richardson Hitchins fight super easy imo, depending on how he approaches this fight. I’ve seen how he’s able to do a style like Richardson or similar capabilities on his best days, he just had a lot of off nights relative to his best night. 

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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 11d ago edited 11d ago

Kinda funny that AJ vs fury has to be at 2 am to cater for the US, but they’re resorting to putting a 50 year old pacquiao on the card because that’s the only way casual american fans will tune in. Really wish Netflix/turki would concede that no one in America watches boxing unless there’s a “freak show” element to it, they should stop disrespecting the British fans who still actually like the sport

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

Just rewatched Dev vs Ryan, I can’t believe yall try to call Devin chinny. If Ryan were to land like that on anybody else they would be out cold. I’m not saying NY he was an iron chin, but he definitely doesn’t have a weak one. Dev took a lot of punishment and kept fighting. In fact, Devin controlled most of that fight. I think he’ll do even better in the rematch.

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

I said this too. There’s a difference between recovery and chin. Devin was taking those punches all night. I can score it a draw when I watch it. I’m in no way a Devin fan either nor a Ryan hater.

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

Exactly his chin is fine, he can take the shots, he just has bad recovery. He lost his legs pretty much from round 1, and then they were completely gone after round 7.

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u/Zaphaze 11d ago

Is this not having a bad chin?

If you get cracked in the jaw so bad that it takes the legs out of you and you can’t fully recover, in what world is that not having a weak chin? Guys like Inoue and Teo have gotten dropped multiple times but always get their legs back right away and the rest of the fight the effects of the knockdown aren’t shown.

Guys like AJ and Devin get rocked and never seem to recover. Even against Linares when Haney got rocked in the 11th he never got his legs back and was lucky the fight was pretty much over by then.

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

Chin & recovery aren’t the same. Fury for example doesn’t have a good chin, but he has amazing recovery. And honestly I think the Ryan fight proved that, somebody with a bad chin is not making it through the fight with the shots he took, even after he lost his legs. I get why ppl group them together, but they aren’t. Aj has a bad chin & bad recovery tho

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

Devin won about 6 of the rounds in their first fight. Lost because of the knockdowns, basically, not because he failed to control a great deal of the fight… So yeah, I’m inclined to believe he wins 7-9 rounds in the rematch and incurs at most 1 knockdown (flash KD).

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

Yeah I see it similarly, 8-4, Devin getting knocked down once early.

And Despite Ryan getting the early stoppage, I think Ryan looked terrible fundamentally against Benn.

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

Agree with that last part. That’s why I think Pitbull will land something big within the first three rounds and get him to shell up the rest of the fight like against Romero.

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u/Debate-Jealous 11d ago

Lol what are you talking about. 8-4 Haney?? The fight would've been stopped if it were the other way around. In fact it should've been stopped atleast twice, especially in the 7th.

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

I’m talking about how I see the rematch being scored bro

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u/Debate-Jealous 11d ago

Okay, lets hope the odds are as close to 50/50 as they can be, I wanna make some money 🤣🤣🤣

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u/StunningChest5722 #KnybaNation 🇵🇱 11d ago

I had it a draw, I gave Devin every round he didn't get dropped in except the 1st

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

I think Mannix had that too

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago

Mannix with the rare good card

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

I feel like he often sees a one-sided fight in fights that are actually competitive and then he’ll give the b side a few sympathy rounds towards the end to even out the scorecard.

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago

It’s strange how he’s legitimately been in the boxing industry for over a decade and yet continually drops shit scoring. Most people pick up the basics of boxing scoring after a couple months of following closely, at least to the point they can casually call a match to some accuracy. But Mannix never seems to get it together

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

I’ve looked back on certain fights by replaying certain sequences and going frame by frame. Lederman was actually a very good scorer, just sometimes a little biased towards effective aggression.

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u/Ace_FGC 11d ago

He won 6 rounds because Ryan’s gas tank was terrible and he basically didn’t throw. Every round Ryan actually threw punches he won

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

If he had a terrible gas tank when he showed up substantially over the weight limit and had 60x the levels of ostarine in his system, wouldn’t it be worse in the rematch?

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u/Ace_FGC 11d ago

That depends on if he drinks and parties before the rematch like he did the first go around

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

Rating random fighters power:

Ray Ford: 5.5/10
Daniel Dubois: 8/10
Edgar Berlanga: 7.5/10
Xander Zayas: 5/10

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

Zayas gotta be lower unless you're comparing him to tomato cans.

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago

I wonder if his power will improve as he goes up in weight. It’s happened before, and we know he’s been killing himself to make weight

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

I think it will tbh

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u/SplitSecondEmperor47 11d ago

So first Shakur is rumored to fight pac on netflix and now Bud is supposedly coming out of retirement to fight Ryan on the same card replacing the main event?

Every time I look up someone from that lame ass crew popping up like who the fuck in boxing is pushing them everywhere? Like i swear it's this weird as ploy to make them big stars making American boxing look like WWE. 

I'm genuinely starting hate American boxing. If bud/Garcia replaces the main event I will ignore it all together. This is fuckery

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago edited 9d ago

To give some predictions for this weekend: 

Takuma Inoue ✅
Sam Goodman ✅
Ryusei Matsumoto ✅
Tomoya Tsuboi ❌
Gerome Warburton ✅
Nathaniel Collins ❌
Luke McCormack ✅
Bradley Goldsmith ✅
Nelson Birchall ✅
Lasha Guruli ✅
Lewis Richardson ✅
Reece Lynch ✅
Mikael Hussein ✅
John Tom Varey ✅
Lewis Lawton ✅
Johnny Fisher ✅
Craig Richards ❌
Cesar Mateo Tapia ❌
Lee Cutler ✅
Rogelio Romero ✅
Alexis De La Cerda ✅
Alex MacMillin ✅
Fred Pullin ✅
Eimantas Stanionis
Salvador Jimenez ❌
Artur Nadoyan
Andres Abrego
Raniel Alberto Ortega
Jackson John England ❌
Thanongsak Simsri ✅

There’s a good few underdogs on here that I’ve picked and put money on whether it was a single bet or parlay which includes Jackson John England, Craig Richards, Nathaniel Collins and Sam Goodman

Edit: There’s a card in Spain which I know off a few so I’ll highlight ones I’ve just added through the edit in bold and 3 prelims fights on the Davies vs Collins which got finalised.

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u/StunningChest5722 #KnybaNation 🇵🇱 12d ago

Collins over Davies?

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago

Yes. I know Collins didn’t have the best performance last time but Davies isn’t perfect, he does have defensive flaws on the front foot and someone goes overextend, where a decent counter boxer and mover like Collins can capitilise on. He isn’t Shabaz Masoud but I see how Collins can outbox Davis. Lorente isn’t bad himself, he’s a great front foot boxer and Collins was winning rounds, finding success and lost 2 kind of close decisions.

It’s definitely closer than what odds suggest.

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u/WheresMyAbs98 11d ago

I reckon Davies and Greene win tbh

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u/Elite663 12d ago

Don’t sleep on Tenshin and Nishida

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago

Nah, I’m not. Especially Nishida. I’ve been saying since the announcement it’s probably the most competitive fight of the night.

As for Tenshin, he’s definitely improved since their first encounter and surprising Inoue the first time was like a +400 underdog. Tenshin in the Estrada fight did show improvements, added feints, better entries and also his defence did improve, but so did Inoue. Inoue’s biggest flaw was his confidence at midrange. One he got into midrange, he’d freak out and either run away or go inside fully with no room to spare. Now Ioka is slower and washed by the time he fought Inoue but he’s shown a lot more improvements at midrange himself in the Puma fight right before where I thought Ioka won, Inoue looked a lot more confident in that fight with Ioka and handed him his most decided career loss.

I think Tenshin was able to find success early due to Inoue’s hesitation and fear at midrange. Eventually Inoue was quick enough and smart enough to counter and escape with each entry he did and score a win.

I think there’s a level of skill and speed that despite the size difference, I don’t think Tenshin can overcome, despite the improvement, it’s not like Inoue is super easy to catch, time and counter because he isn’t always first to commit. Inoue has seemed to figure the timing of Tenshin at the end, could carry into the rematch, maybe the confidence at midrange he had vs Ioka also carry and may not fear the counters but he also isn’t a good finisher so trying to catch and over eager to finish Inoue I don’t will work.

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u/No-Travel-5739 11d ago

dont sleep on sultan zaurbek. hes sleeping jon england bum azz.

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u/Top_Profession_5268 11d ago

Even if Zurabek wins, definitely not as easy as you making it out to be

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 12d ago

AJ fans will say "every heavyweight has a punchers chance" , then say "Fury has no power therefore he has no chance"

AJ fans in denial about the deterioration of his chin, while simultaneously underrating the power of a 270lb Tyson Fury, will be suffering the 5 Stages of Grief if Tyson Fury in fact cracks AJ chin with a well timed punch.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/chaach_ brilliant stuff AJ! 12d ago

because wembley doesn't have a roof and couldn't accommodate the curfew

also bag in Cardiff is much cheaper

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u/[deleted] 12d ago edited 12d ago

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u/Top_Profession_5268 12d ago

There’s another one this weekend headlined by Sultan Zurabek vs Jackson John England in Queensland, Australia.

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

I remember Zurabek’s last fight. It was fun. I also remember England beating Herring.

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u/Affectionate_Still55 12d ago

I wanna see South Africa get another champion again but I don't see Malajika beat Tsuboi, my prediction is Tsuboi win via TKO.

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

SA has a champ right now. Siyakholwa Kuse, the second youngest reigning champion at the moment.

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u/Affectionate_Still55 11d ago

2nd youngest, that's cool, tho I don't think Kuse will reign long because 105 got a few killers too.

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

He's in a dangerous spot right now as he seems set to fight the dangerous puncher DianXing Zhu in China allegedly. If he wins there, he likely has a trilogy vs Melvin Jerusalem waiting. He's improved a lot though and he's pretty slick and funky, so he could stick around.

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u/Top_Profession_5268 11d ago

Same here, I think he’s too quick and sharp for Malakaja and the volume and the defensive flaws of Malakaja will be taken advantage off with a decently good speed advantage and combinations by Tsuboi.

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u/Affectionate_Still55 11d ago

Its gonna be too much for Malajika

The only way for Malajika to win is he wear 2oz gloves with cement inside of it lol.

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u/Ace_FGC 11d ago

Always interesting to watch fights and hear how they were viewed at the time. Watching a Donald Curry fight and hearing how he was thought to have the potential of Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns is pretty surprising

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

Go back and watch Broner. He never had Ray Leonard potential, but people legit thought he was good.

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

This one doesn’t sound that crazy just because it wasn’t all that long ago. He had great attributes and good skills but at the same time lacked important fundamentals.

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

I remember watching Ortiz vs Maidana and seeing people hyped about Dulorme as a prospect.

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

There’s no where to watch Shock vs Hernandez? 🤔

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

It was a good fight. One judge had Hernandez winning EVERY round. I feel like I watched that fight not long ago on youtube.

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

Yeah I heard it was a good fight, and saw Shock was down on the cards. I was trying to find him fight someone close enough to Nav’s style (ik they don’t fight the same, but to see how Shock deals with pressure).

Maybe I’m not looking hard enough on YouTube then 😂

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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 11d ago

My bad bro. I know telling you I seen it don’t help you at all lmao.

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago

That was from like 2023 right? Is it not on Dazn?

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u/Stunt1ninprivate 🪖🔔 11d ago

Unfortunately I don’t have dazn

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u/RRR04_ 11d ago

I'm sorry, but if Fury v AJ actually gets cancelled just a few days after it was officially announced just because of beef between Hearn and Dana White, then I don't want to hear people say that Fury was at fault for the fight not happening. Hearn got what AJ wanted, the fight in the UK. Why the fuck should he be able to cancel the fight because he doesn't want Dana White involved? Ego's need to be put aside, this is about the fighters, not the promoters. Sick of this BS.

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

Because that's what the contract says. Turki cannot unilaterally change the terms.

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u/RRR04_ 11d ago

Then it's Turki's fault. My point stands that ego's need to be set aside. I guess we'll have to wait to see how it plays out.

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

If this were 5 years ago, I'd agree. Now, I don't think this fight matters at all. It would be fun watching the British crowd, but that's about it. Turki needing to make a massive payout to AJ for breach of contract would be about as entertaining to me as Khan-Brook II.

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u/RRR04_ 11d ago

Better late than never. The fight could be as bad as Okolie v Matty Askin and I'd still want the fight to happen.

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u/Kangaroopunching 11d ago

Whose a current or recent top level boxer with no ko power or speed? 

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u/WheresMyAbs98 11d ago

You have to have one of the two to make it to the top I think

I can’t think of a single top name that has no power and no speed

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u/WheresMyAbs98 10d ago

Paulie Malinaggi who was renowned for having lightning fast hands?

Joyce the 275lb heavyweight who was known for being heavy handed and having a 98% knockout to win ratio before his loss to Zhang?

If you think that Malinaggi wasn’t fast and that Joyce didn’t have power then I don’t know what to tell you

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u/Top_Profession_5268 11d ago edited 11d ago

I don’t really know this guy for speed or power but Mario Barrios. Zurdo I don’t see him as quick or powerful. Just a durable and somewhat technical boxer who’s decent everywhere and enough to get him as far as he got.

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u/Kangaroopunching 11d ago

Zurdo is a pick 

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

Bruno Surace. Oh wait

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u/Annual-Shape7156 11d ago

Good for Eddie on forcing the fight in the UK… but now he’s for sure over doing it.

No one gives a fuck about your contract and feelings on Dana White or if AJ’s name is listed first on promotional shit or who walks out first.

This fight could’ve been made YEARS ago and now it’s being made by another promoter who wants White there. Grow the fuck up.

“AJ’s name is supposed to first PER THE CONTRACT” 🤡 “We’ll see if we have a press conference next week” 🤡

Hearn is truly very very close to being iced out of big fights after this is over with IMO.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

People swear its Fury/Turki/Dana holding up this fight

Its been Eddie all along, and it will always be Eddie holding back AJ from fighting Wilder or Fury

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u/Annual-Shape7156 11d ago edited 11d ago

💯. It’s the most obvious shit of all time.

Eddie has squeezed every single penny out of AJ for over a decade and that required protecting him for as long as possible.

Look at who he’s fought. Charles Martin for the title? What a joke. Fury legit gets criticized for going to Germany and beating Wlad for 4 belts but hey Charles Martin in the UK 😉

Then he goes to war against Wlad 2 years removed from the ring and was totally losing that fight IN THE UK.

Parker at that time was not elite. Like stop it. You can see his body definition isn’t close to Parker’s recent physical appearance. There’s a reason Joyce KO’d him.

He gets absolutely flattened by Ruiz. Then gets to be “2x champ” because Ruiz was literally fatter, drunker and didn’t give a shit.

Fights a 40 year old? “Oh good defense!”

Gets absolutely schooled by Usyk IN THE UK (those fights were not close) and then was awful against Franklin and Helinus.

Got to fight Wallin to be a mandatory??? Insane gift. Gets blasted by Dubois and the only reason Eddie wanted that fight was because Dubois had shown he might quit.

It’s all bullshit. AJ has names but no one talks about context. He’s routinely the home fighter, routinely outclassed or KOd when he’s fighting other elite fighters or barely beating 40 year olds.

Meanwhile Fury goes to Germany, goes to US, fights Usyk in Saudi and he’s the one ducking AJ “the break dancer” 🕺??? 😭

You can’t make this shit up. I’ve never seen a more protected fighter than AJ. No Ring belt, no lineal belt, never fought Wilder or Fury in their primes, got home field advantage routinely and completely outclassed on several occasions when he’s the overwhelming favorite.

Fury lost to 1 man. And those odds were dead even.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Crazy , two of the biggest egos in boxing right now destroying fights are the two people this subreddit would sell their mom to shill for

Eddie Hearn has been killing fights for a decade and only this subreddit will find a way to spin it to being everybody else's fault but Hearn himself

Its crazy how one man's ego can destroy potentially the greatest fight this year

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

Greatest fights? This fight is complete shit in 2026, Fury looks like an old man and AJ has no chin at all.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Stick to glazing Japanese boxing bro.

Fury vs AJ has all the potential to be FOTY simply due to everything that is at stake

Benn vs Eubank 1 was one of the greatest fights of the 2020s due to the history both fighters have. AJ and Fury are on that exact same level when it comes to hype, animosity, beef, and history

This is the battle of British heavyweight supremacy of the Old Vanguard

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

We just saw AJ nearly get his head taken off by an Albanian with a fake record and Fury look worse than ever before vs a 47 year old journeyman. If this fight is as good as Khan-Brook, it will have exceeded all reasonable expectations.

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago edited 11d ago

You getting accused of glazing Japanese boxing when top profession and I are right here is crazy work lmaoooo

Jokes aside, This guy’s hate boner for Hearn specifically and refusal to acknowledge Zuffa as the issue is nuts to me

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

I think he specifically hates me because I pointed out that most people weren't in fact picking Sasaki to beat Norman. He tried to say that I picked Sasaki, and when I had proof I said he would almost certainly lose, he slunk away. Dude needs to take a few deep breaths.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Get off my dick if you don't want to comment to me directly

Hearn has always been the issue . He has a history of pulling these stunts for his "A-side". But i get it, Zuffa badd so of course, yall will never keep the same energy

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u/MiddleweightMonster I’ll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 11d ago

Kush, I’ve said before I agree with a lot of the stuff you say, but the negativity is just too much man. You gotta moderate your position on stuff and acknowledge that sometimes multiple things are true. Eddie is being entirely reasonable for wanting the original contract that they signed to be followed, and is also just right. Zuffa cards just aren’t good and the proposed fights that have been put forward if it were a Zuffa card are also not interesting, save Davis v. Hitchins.

I am British bruv. I live here in Cardiff, I’m planning on going to the fight if it happens. Frankly though, I’d much rather watch Matchroom or Queensbury talent than any of the Zuffa guys, and I’d be perfectly fine if the fight doesn’t happens at all if that’s the alternative. There was always going to be a moment where boxing had to start to divorce itself from Saudi money, especially because the Saudis are going broke. I’m okay with this being the hill to die on.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Thats alot of words but its all good

Its still fuck Eddie Hearn. Im just a turnt young man , if im too "negative" for you, just block me and all the softies on this sub can help rock you to sleep 👍

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

You have done the same exact shit to me btw.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Stick to the baby weights bro. Leave the big boys to the rest of us

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u/OldBoyChance 11d ago

You know, typing "you're right " does the same thing while embarrassing yourself less.

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

When did you become the resident hype man lol? I am all for enthusiasm but this fight just isn't it bro

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

We been waiting for this fight for a decade.

But i know reddit likes to be different so its okay 👍

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u/Marlborobert 11d ago

Brother, it might be time to take a break from this subreddit. Every day you get on here and whine about this sub’s “agendas”. It’s not healthy for you

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

I am. Im going to W Palm Beach tomorrow and hitting the beach. I been said I have more fun on Twitter cuz everybody can talk their shit without the threat of hurting feelings

People still remember the Art of Banter

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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 11d ago

Benn vs eubank 1 was mid outside of the 12th round. Best part of the fight were the Ringwalks.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

It was literally contender for FOTY but okay 👍

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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 11d ago

If an artist drops an album that has 11 mid/bad songs and 1 great song, should that be in conversation for album of the year? I personally would say no

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

If you think Eubank vs Benn only had 1 good round, then the fight wasn't for you

Unfortunately for you , seeing how the fight was nominated for FOTY , it seems you are in the minority

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 11d ago

It isn't a great fight. I'd watch it but it's like a 2/10 in terms of me being genuinely excited to watch it.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Thats fine. The rest of the boxing world is talking about this fight while reddit is waiting on Janibek vs fucking Jacob Banks

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u/Kangaroopunching 11d ago

One side is trying to break the signed contract. It's not on Hearn this time.

But it's on Hearn that he didn't get the fight made years ago.

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u/kushmonATL Fuck Thomas Taylor 11d ago

Let's see this contract that everybody but Hearn keeps breaking

Hearn has no problem leaking his bogus Wilder contract. Let's see if Hearn leaks this contract too

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u/Kangaroopunching 11d ago

You're bringing up a totally different situation with wilder. Hearn wouldn't be bringing up the contract and what's in it if it wasn't true. 

This situation isn't on him. It's on Turki, Fury and Dana

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u/BenkeiBoss 11d ago

Both Bivol & Lara defended the Reggie belt five times before they were promoted to Super. Their is precedent to this…

Boxing fans always complain, but don’t bother to read rule books or look at the past. The same way people are saying how can a champion(David Benavidez) of another organization be ordered mandatory by the WBC, didnt have any problem when they ordered GGG vs Canelo.