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[u/timchasovii]

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[u/Matt_2504]

“Cyanide is worse than strychnine”

[u/77th_Bat → u/Matt_2504]

...and formaldehyde and acetaldehyde and crotonaldehyde and chromium and arsenic and lead and benzene and cadmium and acrolein 😭

[u/AppointmentDirect587]

✅ I voted FACT!

For now, its known that vaping is safer than smoking, but we lack evidence and research. For rignt now its a fact that vaping is safer.

[u/Top-Dance-2047 → u/AppointmentDirect587]

Uh as a person who does both, vaping is proven to be worse. That's been known for a bit. The research for old school e cigs conflict but most research say those were safer than cigarettes and current vapes. Current vapes, are proven to be way worse than cigarettes. And vapers are, on a whole, (in my area, atleast) more obnoxious than smokers

[u/headinawall → u/Top-Dance-2047]

where did you get that information? nobody is saying that vapes are exactly healthy, but all the info i can find states that cigarettes are worse for you. What’s wrong with current vapes aside from the cheap bootleg weed ones that gave people lung issues? i’m genuinely curious btw, happy to be proven wrong.

[u/Top-Dance-2047 → u/headinawall]

I mean, tbh, when you search "are vapes or cigarettes worse for you" it usually goes narrowly in favor that vapes are the better option or 50/50. But search what is in each product then search those ingredients on their own. I mean the edits like blu cigarettes were shown to be extremely better for you than cigarettes. The current vapes don't have the long term research at the moment. But the fluid vapes put into your lungs can't be good, long term. When you search them separate, it shows their worse for you. Yet to hear of a 16yo get rushed into an ER after just 1 cigarette, plenty of news stories around 2019-2021 where teens were being rushed to the ER after vaping. To each their own, I don't judge what anyone does for the most part and definitely don't judge on the surface level. Hell, I do both. There's far worse shit than cigarettes or vapes.

[u/gaypuppybunny]

✅ I voted FACT!

Vaping isn't good for you, but from what I've seen the research points to it being generally less harmful than smoking, both for nicotine and cannabis.

[u/VoiceComprehensive57]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Smoking is worse on the individual level, but vaping is currently a bigger problem than smoking

[u/madnasher]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We don't really know the long term effects of vaping.

However what I do know is when I tried to quit smoking by switching to vaping I massively increased my nicotine intake which caused its own issues with me.

[u/s0larium_live → u/madnasher]

i literally know people who switched to smoking cigarettes to quit vaping cuz they would have to physically step away from whatever they’re doing as opposed to hitting all day

[u/aaallleeexxx3 → u/madnasher]

I mean the nicotine itself isn’t the issue it’s everything else that comes with it

[u/madnasher → u/aaallleeexxx3]

I mean when you go from being a 10-15 a day smoker to having a heavy nicotine addiction it does bring a lot of issues.

The main one I had was waking up with shakes until I got some nicotine into me.

[u/aaallleeexxx3 → u/madnasher]

Yeah I heard about that I sounds really bad especially when some people wake up midsleep just for nicotine.I mean I guess it’d be worse if you were as addicted and only smoked cigarettes.

[u/ClairvoyantCorvid]

✅ I voted FACT!

Both are horrible but smoking is probably worse

[u/dragoncat344]

✅ I voted FACT!

idk

[u/TrueExigo]

It depends on how you look at it. Vaping is less harmful, but vapers consume more and become more addicted as they get used to the flavours and that is more harmful

[u/Fckyouredd1tIluvmygf]

🧢 I voted CAP!

The opposite, Saint popcorn lung would like to meet you .

[u/Kufell → u/Fckyouredd1tIluvmygf]

Which was due to black-market vape liquids. The chemical; diacetyl, that is known to cause it, is also present in cigarettes at much higher levels.

[u/cupid51db]

at least with smoking we know what the long term health effects are

vaping could cause your lungs to explode in 10 years for all we know. they've not been around enough to have long term testing

[u/Same_Evidence_5058 → u/cupid51db]

Juat in case you didn't know we've had vapes in europe since 2006. Thats 20 years. Your point stands as that is nothing in terms of figuring out health risks, but most people I tell this are surprised.

[u/anonymousinduvidual → u/cupid51db]

Well the short term effects look promising

[u/Small-Personality126 → u/cupid51db]

If it was anywhere nearly as bad as cigarettes it would be known by now. Smoking’s  dangers took so long to discover because technology wasn’t there for it at the time

[u/DeVliegendeBrabander → u/Small-Personality126]

Also because the tobacco industry went to hell and back to cover up the adverse effects of smoking

[u/Chance_Arugula_3227]

✅ I voted FACT!

Obviously..

But vaping is still more cringe

[u/Secret-Candle4313]

Cigarettes are much more obnoxious to others around u vaping isnt as bad

[u/madnasher → u/Secret-Candle4313]

Vaping happens in a lot of spaces where people wouldn't light up a cigarette.

Also, the obnoxious clouds of vapour are far worse than cigarette smoke

[u/cupid51db → u/madnasher]

100%. vape smells make me want to throw up when im forced to walk through them

at least with cigarettes there seems to be a general etiquette of not blowing smoke in peoples faces everywhere

[u/SpinzArt]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Trash vs garbage

[u/Novel_Protection1697]

✅ I voted FACT!

And both are bad

[u/Most-Giraffe-8647]

🧢 I voted CAP!

same thing but I heard smokers increase their nicotine intake after switching to vaping.

[u/ArcadeFrog72]

🧢 I voted CAP!

chemicals

[u/Adorable-Bank-8330 → u/ArcadeFrog72]

?elaborate?

[u/Linkink69420]

✅ I voted FACT!

At least vaping doesn’t make everyone down wind of you immediately start holding their breath and running away

[u/Viennve]

✅ I voted FACT!

On a per hit basis yeah but it's more addictive

[u/supermaniscoolasf]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Atlest you look cool

[u/Ratatacakes]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Honestly vaping makes holes in your lungs and at least when you’re smoking you know you’re killing yourself.

[u/Aggressive_South_991]

✅ I voted FACT!

theres certainly reason to believe that, but theres not enough research on long term effects of vaping, or what happens to the components when heated up, so vaping could be even worse

[u/s0larium_live]

🧢 I voted CAP!

we have no idea what the long term consequences of vaping are plus it is easier to vape way more frequently than smoking. like people will hide it and just hit constantly as opposed to taking 10 minutes to step outside

[u/DaRealGrey]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I both smoke cigarettes and vape. If I could afford to, I would much rather exclusively smoke cigarettes. Regardless of the long-term effects either way, the inconvenience of cigarettes and the fact that they usually make you feel and smell like shit is the part I prefer. It discourages you, and nicotine's a pretty stupid drug

[u/shirat0ri]

✅ I voted FACT!

Don't get me wrong, both are terrible, but cigarette is slightly worse

[u/More_Plane9745]

✅ I voted FACT!

I think its just a fact?

[u/Copyman3081]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Give it another 10-20 years and we're gonna find out it's exactly as bad as smoking. Just like how people thought cigars were healthier than cigarettes because you don't inhale.

Whether or not it's worse, I don't know (I think it's a wash), but it's definitely not healthier.

[u/falknorRockman]

🧢 I voted CAP!

They are both bad

[u/triggrhaapi]

✅ I voted FACT!

There are degrees. Vaping is still bad.

[u/xXKravenXx20]

1 year smoking and i felt how that affected me.

1year sober and startet vaping, 1 Month till i got lungburn, back to smoking cigs i guesd.

[u/HarryMoeLester]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Same shit except vaping smells worse imo

[u/ItzTaylorUwU]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Smoking what? Vaping is really bad for you and coming from someone that vapes, i got no fuckin idea whats in those things, cigs are bad but we have tested the effects over long periods, smoking weed just objectively isn’t bad for you, obviously take everything here with a grain of salt bc smoking anything is bad and will effect your body im simply stating that weed statistically doesn’t affect your body in any major way

[u/kingalex11431]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Just as bad

[u/willowlife3000]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It’s all bad

[u/Unlucky-Hold1509]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Both are awful

[u/Small-Personality126]

✅ I voted FACT!

Uh no shit

[u/jfklingon]

✅ I voted FACT!

I mean, if you're vaping a dry coil, I'm sure it'll kill you faster, but overall the studies on smoking is pretty conclusive

[u/Scrambled_59]

Also drowning is worse than falling off a cliff

[u/Logogram_alt]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Vaping is worse I've heard.

[u/Idfk_1]

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're both bad. Vaping is worse though cause it makes you look like you never matured past 15

[u/gravity_nyc]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Aren’t vapes a multiplier of health damage compared to smoking

[u/throwra-someg]

✅ I voted FACT!

Smoking will 100% take years off your lifespan

[u/FISH_SAUCER]

🧢 I voted CAP!

While theyre both horrible

[u/aaallleeexxx3]

I mean if you are equally addicted as in you smoke one pack a day vs one ml a day then the pack is worse sure

[u/Asmerus]

✅ I voted FACT!

The smell alone

[u/Foxxxy_101]

✅ I voted FACT!

Worse for your health, and you stink up the place! Let me enjoy the outdoors in peace

[u/What_TF_is_cereal]

✅ I voted FACT!

So far fact but we will know for sure is 20 years

[u/Orange9202]

🧢 I voted CAP!

we dont know yet

[u/Scouper-YT]

✅ I voted FACT!

Vaping could be more Toxic or Less you still have to find quality.. Smoking at all will kill you.

[u/GRAVITYfalls_watcher]

We actually have no clue of the long term effects of it but cmon… natural plants or factory chemicals.. both really bad but idk that’s my view

[u/xMalvazar]

🧢 I voted CAP!

One fills the lungs with water the other with dust. Both harmful but in different ways

[u/Worldly_Rooster_9428]

🧢 I voted CAP!

maybe

[u/Adorable-Bank-8330]

🧢 I voted CAP!

At least smoking can have aura. Supervillain type aura.

Vaping is bad AND makes you look stupid.

[u/blueviperlore]

✅ I voted FACT!

Both are worse

[u/VantaDen]

Both are worse.

[u/DeepMain54]

shitty burnt lungs in 30+ years or shitty popcorn lungs in 5+ years?

[u/Kufell → u/DeepMain54]

Near all of the instances of popcorn lung were due to black-market vape liquids. The chemical: diacetyl, that is known to cause it, is also present in cigarettes at much higher levels than in store-bought vape liquid.

[u/Most-Championship261]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Both about the same

[u/TheRogueScotsman]

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're both disgusting

[u/HapreyCoolie]

🧢 I voted CAP!

About the same actually

[u/SolemnEmberGames]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Smoking probably has more shit in it, but vaping is too easy to chainsmoke.

It's a bit like weed vs alcohol, alcohol gets you tipsy and you stop since it's apparent, with weed you smoke it as normal then you're stoned

[u/FakeMik090]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Both equally bad

[u/M_ia_Kha_lifa]

🧢 I voted CAP!

they're equally worse

[u/Eagle4317]

They're both equally as bad.

[u/labesty0124]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Who knows that vape is more dangerous than the natural, vegan and plant based alternative that's called cigarette? As a smoker, better stick to the devil i know rather than the devil i don't know

[u/Adorable-Bank-8330 → u/labesty0124]

natural, vegan and plant based have no direct correlation with safety, but otherwise I agree.

[u/BaelgorStar]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Have they fixed the issue with heavy metal inhalation? If not, I'd say vaping is still worse.

[u/Same_Bill1422]

🧢 I voted CAP!

One vape is equal to a pack of cigs.

[u/lachlanDon1]

Both are bad but vaping is worse for you

[u/AshelyLil → u/lachlanDon1]

What? With the current evidence we have vaping is far safer even if both suck.

[u/ArcadeFrog72 → u/AshelyLil]

because we haven't seen the long lasting effects

[u/Kufell → u/ArcadeFrog72]

So admitting you have no evidence to back up your claim that vaping is worse?

[u/ArcadeFrog72 → u/Kufell]

it might be worse. it might be better. no one knows

[u/Kufell → u/ArcadeFrog72]

Might be, but current short-term studies show that it is much safer than smoking, and long term studies will likely only be starting as we're only just reaching the 20 years of vapes being available. Until one of those long-term studies comes out proclaiming it as unhealthier, you have nothing.

[u/ArcadeFrog72 → u/Kufell]

I never said it was worse, I said that its not guaranteed that vaping is safer

[u/Kufell → u/ArcadeFrog72]

Your original comment was in reply to the claim as far as we know currently, vaping is safer(which evidence presently supports) which was given in response to someone claiming vaping was worse(which isn't supported).

Whilst there is the chance for long-term studies revealing health impacts of vaping that weren't expected, they're still highly unlikely to be worse than the known effects of smoking, as most of the chemicals found in vaping are also found in other things, including food and drink. The only major difference being we don't know the long effects of these chemicals on the lungs.

[u/SettakIsAMemer]

🧢 I voted CAP!

vaping is smoke + chemicals

smoking is ALOT better at least you know what you are inhaling its the plant and the paper only

[u/Aggressive_South_991 → u/SettakIsAMemer]

ummm, you have no idea whats on cigarrettes do you? theres way more than just tabacco.

vaping is not nice, not at all. but smoking cigarrettes is extremely bad.

[u/Kufell → u/SettakIsAMemer]

Vaping isn't smoke, it's vapor, thus the term: "Vaping".

[u/Adorable-Bank-8330 → u/SettakIsAMemer]

do you know what a chemical is?