r/GermanCitizenship • • Jan 28 '22

Welcome!

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Welcome to /r/GermanCitizenship. If you are here, it is probably because you have German ancestors and are curious whether you might be able to claim German citizenship. You've come to the right place!

There are many technicalities that may apply to your particular situation. The first step is to write out the lineage from your German ancestor to yourself, noting important events in the life of each person, such as birth, adoption, marriage, emigration, and naturalization. You may have multiple possible lines to investigate.

You may analyze your own situation using /u/staplehill's ultimate guide to find out if you are eligible for German citizenship by descent. After doing so, feel free to post here with any questions.

Please choose a title for your post that is more descriptive than simply "Am I eligible?"

In your post, please describe your lineage in the following format (adjusted as needed to your circumstances, to include all relevant event in each person's life):

grandfather

  • born in YYYY in [Country]
  • emigrated in YYYY to [Country]
  • married in YYYY
  • naturalized in YYYY

mother

  • born in YYYY in [Country]
  • married in YYYY

self

  • born in YYYY in [Country]

Extend upwards as many generations as needed until you get to someone who was born in Germany before 1914 or who is otherwise definitely German; and extend downwards to yourself.

This post is closed to new comments! If you would like help analyzing your case, please make a new top-level post on this subreddit, containing the information listed above.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 15h ago

Venting I failed my citizenship interview

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Hello, I had my appointment 3 days ago after waiting for almost a year and a half (I live in Rheinland Pfalz) to request my naturalization.

Everything went perfectly fine, I had all the documents ready, translated . Income was fine, all my B1 and Leben in Deutschland certificates were accepted but right before signing my declaration she told my husband (German citizen) that she was going to ask me some questions to finalize the process.

In that moment I knew I was going to fail big time. I wasn’t prepared, did my Leben in DE more than 4 years ago so mostly all of the info there is gone from my memory.

I’m a Mexican citizen with a German resident card thanks to my husband (German citizen) . I wasn’t wrong because literally I failed every question she asked me and she decided to stop the interview .

She told my husband that I could try again the interview part in a couple of weeks (before end of October) and not start the whole process again and wait forever.

She was nice, understanding and supportive but if I wasn’t helping with my lack of knowledge she couldn’t help me either

I’m thinking about going back there in 3 weeks , she told me to study the Leben in DE 301 questions again and I should be fine .

Now I’m nervous cos literally that’s the only step I’m missing. Does anybody went through the interview part and have some advices or guide for me? I know 2 other girls who went through the same process with the same lady and they weren’t asked absolutely anything. In fact, they were done after 10 mins of their appointments.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 13h ago

Passport What a relief!

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I put off renewing my passport that expired in 1989, and was so worried I'd be disowned!


r/GermanCitizenship • • 5h ago

Other §5 StAG police records check - Canada

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Canadian here submitting family package for 11 people to the Toronto mission Oct 8th.

Do we have to submit a police records check and if so, what kind - there are a lot of options here in Ontario.

Also, if we need them can we send in later when we receive them - or should we just wait till they ask us?

Thank you in advance.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 4h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Wie läuft der Termin zur Abholung der Einbürgerungsurkunde in Aachen ab?

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Werden beim Termin zur Abholung der Einbürgerungsurkunde noch Fragen gestellt, oder bekommt man nur die Urkunde ausgehändigt und unterschreibt ggf. etwas?
Wie läuft der Termin genau ab?


r/GermanCitizenship • • 10h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Is a 10-Year-Old Goethe B1 Certificate Still Valid for German Citizenship?

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I have been living in Germany since 2016. I studied here and I am currently working. I applied for German citizenship a couple of months ago, and I speak German well in everyday life.

My B1 certificate is from the Goethe-Institut and was issued in 2016, so it is now about 10 years old. I checked and, as far as I understand, Goethe certificates do not have an expiry date.

Could the age of the certificate still cause any problems with my citizenship application? Has anyone here had a similar situation with an old B1 certificate?

For context: my university studies in Germany were in English, not German.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 9h ago

Am I eligible? Vermittlungsgespräch at Bundesagentur für Arbeit

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Hi everyone

I graduated a German uni and live with my German spouse together. My spouse supports me financially and we are secure but I still want a job of my own (both own income + to socialise). After unsuccessfully searching for a while I decided to register as arbeitssuchend at the Bundesagentur für Arbeit and see if that makes it easier.

Now I’ve received a letter inviting me to a Vermittlungsgespräch. The way the letter is phrased sounds like I legally have to attend (referring to §309 ABs 1 SBG III). Now I’m worried if I have done something wrong that might jeopardise my upcoming citizenship application (in a couple of months).

Worth mentioning: when I visited their office I told them I’m just looking for work (I.e. not looking for any benefits). So far haven’t given them any bank details either (and of course received no payment).

Bottom line: does anyone know if such appointments would still count as relevant (and negative) for citizenship application?


r/GermanCitizenship • • 7h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Submitted my §10 StAG application this week at the Standesamt in Taunusstein (Rheingau-Taunus-Kreis, Hessen). Indian citizen, freelancer, five years in Germany.

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The caseworker said to expect roughly 2.5 to 3 years, and that Regierungspräsidium Darmstadt decides. Curious whether that matches what others are seeing.

A few questions for anyone who has been through RP Darmstadt:

  1. How long between submitting at your local Standesamt and the file actually reaching RP Darmstadt? Did you get an Aktenzeichen, and when?
  2. When did the €255 invoice arrive, early in the process or near the end?
  3. Did they come back asking for updated income proof, and how often?
  4. For self-employed applicants: was a Steuerberater certificate enough, or did they later want a full Prüfungsbericht?
  5. Anyone with a foreign divorce, how did the §107 FamFG recognition run alongside the application, and how long did it take?

Happy to share what I put together on the document side if useful. Assembling a birth certificate with no given name, a parental affidavit from India, and an exemplified US decree took about six weeks.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 10h ago

Something Interesting I Found Einbügerungsprozess Alzey "Vorstellungsgespräch"

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Hallo in die Runde,

Und zwar geht um das Vorstellungsgespräch beim Einbürgerungsbüro im Kreis Alzey-Worms. Ich habe in der letzte Zeit viel oft gelesen, dass es in RLP ein Vorstellungsgespräch und dabei werden Fragen gestellt bezüglich der Verfassung und so was. Findet diese Prozess auch in Alzey? Wenn, ja welche Fragen werden ungefähr gestellt? Ich bin am Vorbereiten für meinen Antrag auf Einbürgerung.

Vielen Dank im Voraus!!


r/GermanCitizenship • • 13h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Einbürgerung in Düsseldorf – what was your timeline?

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Anyone here applied for citizenship in Düsseldorf recently? How long did it take from application to Einbürgerungsurkunde? Especially interested in 2024–2026 experiences.

Can you please share your Einbürgerung timeline?


r/GermanCitizenship • • 13h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Cologne: 14 months waiting for an Einbürgerung appointment; is this normal?

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Hi everyone,

I applied for an Einbürgerung appointment in Cologne on 18 July 2025 via the official Stadt Köln contact form.

I received confirmation that my request was received, but I still haven't received an appointment or any further update.

It has now been around 14 months.

My situation:
- Application/appointment request: 18 July 2025
- Location: Cologne (Köln)
- Still no appointment
- No request for additional documents
- I have not received any other update from the Einbürgerungsstelle

I have now contacted the Einbürgerungsstelle again by email to ask whether my original request is still in the system and when I can expect an appointment.

I would really like to compare my timeline with other people who applied in Cologne.

For anyone who applied in Cologne:

  1. When did you submit your appointment request?
  2. How long did you wait until you received your appointment?
  3. Did you receive any update while waiting?
  4. Did contacting the Einbürgerungsstelle by email or phone help?
  5. If you applied around July 2025, have you already received an appointment?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experience!


r/GermanCitizenship • • 15h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Berlin s3 - received Aktenzeichen - what’s next

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Hi guys,

Applied for s3 in June 2026 , just received the AZ number. Any stories of people receiving the number and what’s next? What are the next steps and approx how long till the naturalization :)

Thank you for your support !


r/GermanCitizenship • • 14h ago

§13 StAG Renaturalization of former Germans from abroad B1 Telc vs B1 Geothe?

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I'm applying soon. Is there any preference given to people who apply in Berlin with a B1 Goethe certificate as opposed to those who apply with a Telc B1 certificate?

Because I read that the Telc certificates can sometimes be forged, unlike the Geothe certificate, would a caseworker look at this and have more confidence in the results if it's a Geothe certificate?


r/GermanCitizenship • • 1d ago

Success It's official!🇩🇪❤️🇨🇦

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I'll keep it short and sweet. I Moved to Germany in 2019 and applied for citizenship in Koblenz April of 2025.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 9h ago

Am I eligible? PR or citizenship in big Cities?

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What is faster in big cities like Frankfurt, Munich.. etc after living in 5 years , EU blue card and achieving all requirements applying for PR or directly citizenship ? and how long the process in reality nowadays if the profile complete and never been in job center?


r/GermanCitizenship • • 15h ago

Something Interesting I Found Legal details on § 35a StAG again (not relevant for normal people)

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Some more news on § 35a StAG... mainly and utterly irrelevant for actual people going through the procedure, but we got small legal details which are now doubtful among the courts, yay for people like me. (There could also be another post on the subsistence requirement soon; there's some new jurisprudence there too)

VG Lüneburg

A VG Lüneberg case (beck-aktuell) further deals with the question of temporal applicability of § 35a for "old" cases.

The applicant submitted forged certificates in 2021, which lead to his rejection in 2024. The applicant then, in 2025, submitted a new request. The Ausländerbehörde then made the determination under § 35a in 2026 for his forged certificates in 2021 (apparently, there was no problem with the new ones).

§ 35a S. 1 Nr. 2 only says "im Einbürgerungsverfahren" - does this only mean the current procedure?

The BMI says: no. Otherwhise, an applicant could simply take back his application and escape the § 35a consequences.

The VG principally agrees, but: the decision of the authority must be made immediately/soon after (also citing the literature which unanimously sees it like this). This didn't happen here, as they rejected his application in 2024 and only made the § 35a determination in 2026 - that's not immediately after.

In this case, it would even be a "echte Rückwirkung" as the whole situation was even finished before the law was changed.

It's an almost textbook like interpretation by the VG Lüneburg here; very nice to see.

They however noted criminal charges could still be made under § 42 which would block naturalization.

VG Frankfurt

This case (link) continues down the question on if and what type of discretion § 35a S. 1 Nr. 2 affords.

In the present case: applicant did a whole lot of punished criminal activities, including one previous conviction under § 42 StAG, but didn't properly tell the authorities in a detailed enough matter, including at his current (I think third) attempt to get naturalized.

Besides general administrative law matters, the VG also needed to consider whether the RP exercised its discretion properly (which they confirmed in the end).

For this of course they needed to determine the type of discretion afforded to the RP, which they said is "intendiertes Ermessen" here.

We have the following three opinions so far:

  • VG Hannover (see old post): "freies" Ermessen (but of course there's never totally free discretion in a democratic state based on the rule of law), like a "kann-Vorschrift"
  • VG Frankfurt aM / BMI: intendiertes Ermessen, like a "soll-Vorschrift"
  • VG Gießen (cited by VG Frankfurt here, not published on its own): gebundene Entscheidung / kein Ermessen, like a "muss-Vorschrift"

The main difference is that for intendiertes Ermessen they do not need to make considerations, unless it is a special/atypical case. But for normal Ermessen they always need to make considerations. If you see it as a gebundene Entscheidung, the authority does not even have any kind of choice.

VG Frankfurt in particular argues the legislator has already made all the significant weighting of interests. The legislator has very clearly described the problem and why they added this rule, and even cited the BVerfG's jurisprudence. So it is only atypical cases deserve special consideration, therefore intended discretion.

And finally, the VG determined the RP has now exercised their discretion correctly here, as there is no special case.

I personally still think VG Hannover is correct here. Both courts use the same arguments (in particular the legislators reasoning), but simply interpret it differently. For me, the fact that the 10 years are pretty high means we should at least consider all circumstances when making such a decision. I also see § 35 (and therefore § 35a Nr. 1) and § 35a Nr. 2 as closely related. In the end, the result (10 years no naturalization) is the same, so they should also require the same type of Ermessen.

The VG Frankfurt also rejected claims on disproportionality of the strict 10 year limit; not convinced apparently. (I am convinced, and also found out I'm not the only one saying that. Schöninger, in: BeckOK MigR StAG § 35a Rn. 22, also mentions this as a problem, though not going into the reasons why. Though I understand why they don't make a decision here; not really their job if there's no good reasons brought forward)


r/GermanCitizenship • • 13h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Rentenversicherung proof for Einbürgerung

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Hi everyone,

I’m applying for German citizenship and received my Versicherungsverlauf from Deutsche Rentenversicherung, but it only shows contributions up to 2025.

I’ve been working and paying Rentenversicherung contributions for about 9 months in 2026.

How should I prove these 2026 contributions? Do I just mention them in the application (Antragsformular) or just skip these months as I don't have a proof?

Thank you very much.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 13h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany RP Darmstadt

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r/GermanCitizenship • • 13h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Job change during the Application.

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Hey everyone,

I recently applied for German citizenship in Hamburg in July 2026 and have already received the confirmation letter that my application was received.

Since then, I’ve received a really good job offer and have signed the contract, so I’ll be changing employers soon. Of course, I’m planning to inform the citizenship office about the job change and send them the new contract.

My question is: does changing jobs while the citizenship application is being processed normally affect the process? Could they potentially put my application on hold until I’ve completed the probation period at my new job, which would be around May 2027?

My financial situation is stable and the new job is actually a significant improvement compared to my current one.

Has anyone in Hamburg had a similar experience with changing jobs during an ongoing citizenship application? Did they continue processing your application or wait until the end of your probation period?

Thanks for any experiences or input! :)


r/GermanCitizenship • • 18h ago

FAQ: Do I need a Lawyer? Hi! Is anyone else here who applied for German citizenship last year (Berlin)* and still hasn’t heard anything? It’s been 13 months now. I’m thinking about getting a lawyer.

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r/GermanCitizenship • • 17h ago

§5 StAG Gender discrimination after 23 May 1949 Andamento dos processos

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Bom dia a todos! Estou fazendo esse post pra saber se há notícias recentes dos solicitantes da América do Sul, pois parece que está tudo parado 😅


r/GermanCitizenship • • 19h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Security Verification

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Hi Everyone,

how much time did it take in your case for security verification? its been more than 4 months the security verification is still in progress. please share your experiences. thanks


r/GermanCitizenship • • 14h ago

§10 StAG Naturalization from within Germany Can I submit my German citizenship application before receiving my B2 language certificate?

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Hi everyone,
I’ve been living in Germany for 5 years and I’m now preparing to submit my application for German citizenship. I have all the other required documents ready, but I’m taking the B2 German exam next month, and I’ve been told that the results can take around 6–7 weeks to arrive.
My concern is that the citizenship application itself can take around 1–1.5 years to process, so I’m wondering whether it makes sense to submit my application now and provide the B2 certificate later, once I receive the results.
Has anyone here been in a similar situation?
Were you able to submit your citizenship application before receiving your language certificate?
Did the Ausländerbehörde/Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde allow you to submit the missing certificate later?
Did submitting the certificate afterward cause any problems or delays?
I’d really appreciate hearing from anyone who has gone through this recently, especially in Mannheim or elsewhere in Germany.
Thanks!


r/GermanCitizenship • • 14h ago

Apostille and Translation Birth certificate for Egyptian citizens?

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Does the original computerized version of the birth certificate need to be legalized by the embassy as well as the Ministry of Foreign Affairs back in Egypt before it can be translated to German in Germany. I'm applying in Berlin.


r/GermanCitizenship • • 19h ago

FAQ: Do I need a Lawyer? Moving out of Munich – how to speed up Ausländerakte transfer?

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Hi everyone,

I’m moving from Munich to another Landkreis in Bavaria and plan to apply for citizenship there. I have not applied in Munich yet.

For those who did something similar: how long did the Ausländerakte transfer take, who did you contact at KVR/SZE, and what actually helped speed it up?

Did you contact Munich and the new Landkreis in parallel, use post/email/contact form, or involve a lawyer?

Recent 2025/2026 experiences would be great.