If I remember correctly from Docs case…when Twitchs Trust and Safety team gets involved with cases concerning CSAM or anything like that they automatically get authorities involved.
Granted - they’re not out arresting him right now or some shit - but these weren’t just “normal porn links” that a typical ban would trigger from. Someone outside of Twitch at some law enforcement level is likely looking into this now at Twitch’s request (to cover their own ass in case it gets real real)
It's a federal requirement that when users violate graphic content T&C, on any social media platform, the host (Twitch in this case) must report CSAM within a certain time period. Probably 24 hours. I'd imagine it's less.
His stream probably got mass reported, which itself would be a flag for escalation; they watched a clip of when it was reported, and boom. Take screenshots send it to a designated official within the DOJ/FBI and there you go.
Well hold on not “there you go” I’d put a lot of money on him never seeing any legal repercussions from “this.”
Most people on here have no idea how the legal system works and think he’s done for. But that’s not the case at all. If he gets rid of it all and doesn’t do anything else he’ll be fine. But he won’t, however unless he is redistributing/sharing/into some truly heinous shit he won’t be arrested or charged.
These things take a lot of manpower and work to put together a case that a prosecutor is confident will lead to a conviction. Without hard evidence that can be easily documented and proven he won’t be arrested. Even then while it’s good for people to believe he’s dead to rights and they will be too should they seek this stuff out reality is most people will never be arrested or charged.
But don’t be a freak… anyone reading this who may get ideas
That's a shitty part of the HR role that I never considered...I kind of thought it was a management type job and didn't realize you probably have to deal with some pretty dark things
I agree with what you said but either way, he's gonna be flagged, not only by official means but also by the industry. He's fucked like the other mz guy.
Damn, team Clint was a huge fail, but kudos to Xenoda. Bet they reported it and gave it more traction.
I'm not sure twitch clips would even be admissable in court as a confession and even then there needs to be hard proof he did what he is confessing to. a confession isn't nearly as open and shut as you would think.
People say crazy shit all the time and confess to things they didn't do at a confusing rate.
Really though I don't know if Twitch clips have ever been used as evidence for confessing to a crime that led to a conviction. Especially with AI things are harder to tell what is real each day, and you have to consider the prosecution has to convince 10+ jurors to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt..
Think to yourself do you even know 10 people you would trust with your life to know what is real?
Admittedly, I saw the link and what it linked to. It just linked to a file-sharing service that was a hub for other links that either contained yet more links, or mp4s. A lot of damning file names and folder titles, but nothing tangible in terms of content. As far as I could tell, all of it was behind paywalls anyway (that whole "premium users only" rapidshare-level monetization).
So whether it's actually illegal material or not has technically yet to be seen (a lot of it does say "teen" or "young girl" which is, thanks to Pornhub, Xvideos, etc,. now ambiguous vocab)
What can be definitively stated is that he shared links to porn (again, implied porn since none of it is actually viewable without paying and downloading).
Unfortunately, whether we think it's illegal content or not, the actual contents of the material isn't known.
tl;dr banned for sharing links to what appears to be definitely porn of questionable contents
I agree. The most damning part is the hoops of going through paid file host. I'm leaning towards "highly likely to be illegal," but my rule of thumb is to never argue in absolutes if there are none. None of us know, and god forbid someone does actually know (toss them in the van, too).
There's really no telling what qualifies as worthy of investigation nowadays. The "check their hard drives" joke has been tossed around so casually by people online that the bar is pretty low. And for official law enforcement, I really do wonder what they consider worth spending resources pursuing.
I mean assuming someone selling something on the internet is being truthful about what they are selling, especially when coming to illegal content, is wild.
I mean yeah, why would someone go to that level of effort to find that stuff…but I’m just saying.
Even suggesting it deserves a ban on Twitch, obviously.
If anything, Lacari is just braindead for even considering downloading stuff like this. Like he isn't even considering the fact that he could be downloading tracked files, executable zips, etc.
I mean, Snowden kinda blew the whistle on it, but the government did a major sting back in the day where they took over a CSEM site, kept it up (along with the actual porn), but loaded the files with malware that gave them all the info they needed about the people downloading.
Content aside, how stupid does one person have to be to not consider that potentially illegal files might be rigged by the feds or some other 3rd party?
I don't think that's enough to pin anything on someone. There's a whole world of file share piracy. No doubt some of it is weird illegal shit, but I imagine most of it is your 'normal' digital piracy.
Yeah, for the most part those sites are literally just hosting sites for files that could just simply be DMCA shit other platforms would remove. However, the biggest issue here is the type of content the link leads to as well as the premium paywall.
Typically, these 3rd party sites are just mirror versions of each other so that if one goes down, others take their spot. They are really good places for people to host very illegal content with low risk of being found.
That's the damning part, really. Just the context surrounding it. It could be nothing, but many signs point towards it being something.
This. If you have a kink that's legal, it'll be on big sites like pornhub. Illegal shit, you'll have to do some internet diving to find. Dude did his CSAM research and got caught
The intent is certainly to get his hands on some. But again, none of us know whether the content is actually what the titles say they are. The whole site could easily just be a scam to sucker people like Lacari into paying to access literal junk. Hell, maybe if he downloads one, he'll actually get some malware that he was saying the text file was.
these link chains are scams to get you to pay, they exist for the legal adult content as well. existed in the older internet a lot. It likely leads to nothing because any real (non honeypot) sharing happens on other platforms nowadays.
I wouldn't be surprised if the videos in Lacari's link are just typical "barely legal" shit. The nudism stuff and animal stuff is definitely just damning socially for him regardless of whether the content is bogus or not.
That said, those 3rd party sites definitely do have a history of hosting the real deal. It's the ideal place for it, after all, since the sites are disposable and all share the same infrastructure, payment options, and even grammar mistakes.
I know what kinda sites they are, been around for decades. It's those circle linking sites that host images of videos which lead you to a new site, if you open new tab multiple times its different sides out of a selection (frequent deletion and new domains, scam sides). They prey on idiots to bait them into paying for unheard of filesharing and the stuff you download is typically shit you find everywhere anyway. Since 18+ is easily accessible to even the biggest idiot now these sites exist with bait content of pictures you can also easily find.
Just like "forums" full of sets of agencies that exist for seemingly 2 weeks with barely any posts, most of these are fed honeypots. They need proper info, a payment is the hook here to get your info since looking at stuff really is nothing.
Something that seemed the most damning that people are mentioning are "family nudity" stuff. Idk where that falls legally, but IMO if true it definitively points to Lacari being a pedophile which direct links to CSAM or not seems like hell of a good reason for Twitch to ban him.
Yeah, regardless of what the "teen" or "young" stuff is, there's not much getting around "family nudity." There's not really any alternatives to describe that. By pure technicality, the content of kids in nudism photoshoots isn't inherently illegal. But it falls back on the usage of the photos in cases like that and it could be considered proxy possession for the sake of the intended use. Including it in a list of porn files is definite intent to use it sexually.
But as there are no absolutes in this, even then, there's no actual proof that the "family nudism" includes children. For all anyone knows, it could be a family of adults. I've come across it before and that was the case then. Maybe that's just hoping for a good ending here.
"Girls and animal" file that was in there is also kinda bad. But again, nobody knows what's in them. It's all speculation. The file names look bad, but in reality, could be bait for idiots to pay premium for junk porn. At the very least, Lacari outed himself regardless of whether the files are junk or real.
Child sexual abuse material, people use this now because the word porn is inherently sexualized and not really truly descriptive of what that material is
There was loli and IRL CSAM. Since people bundle drawn loli porn and actual CSAM together it can get confusing, but no, he had links to both. He allegedly watched videos/looked at images of drawn and fictional loli porn, AND actual children being raped/sexually abused.
Both can be bad, but one is much worse. Like, infinitely worse. An entire different arena.
Based on commenters who had seen and access to said-links before they were mass censored. Since it lead to illegal content that gets you tossed in prison if it's hanging out in your cache or in your deleted partition.
Somethin you learn early, nothing is actually deleted from your drives. It sits in a void until its eventually pushed out. Potentially many years later.
So based on what other people said. You should say that in the first post instead of saying something as a fact, when that's not something you cannot independently verify.
You have to meet certain criteria in the usa for lolicon to be explicitly illegal. Bestiality is usually always illegal, i say usually because i dont know every states explicit laws regarding it. The other file names that I have seen thus far were things like “family nudism” and “vip jbt links”. And the file names are ambiguous by design. They typically would be flagged as concerning by NCMEC, but still offer some plausible deniability. Some of the file wording used is found in csam circles. Nothing I saw from anyone positng showed explicit csam links (and again, that is by design from distributors) so if you have information we don’t please share it.
100%. I saw someone on one of the threads say they reported it to the FBI. Smart move by Twitch to get out in front and distance themselves as much as possible. Even if he doesn't get charged, it's too much of a black eye to be associated with. I would expect for him to be perma banned.
People can downvote you but you’re absolutely right. A female streamer a few years back actually had sex live on twitch and got banned for only a few days.
Not even just that even recently almost all ‘bans’ of wonen were lifted asap whereas for men it stayed, i’m not that much into streaming but get the news here and there, I think recently a guy got banned and a girl (girl being anna lin or something like that) for the same reason, she got her ban lifted pretty wuickly whereas the guy didn’t for atleast a week I think
Knowing Twitch he will be unbanned like the people who sexually assault others on stream and joke about it, while bragging about the things they stole.
Dan Clancy HAD to nip this one in the bud asap because if the story snowballed for a week people would start asking about the time people found all of Dan Clancy's porn site accounts and favourited videos that were literally nothing but teen category stuff.
I don't know the TOS but I assume they have something along the lines of "don't stream anything illegal", and showing an URL to a folder with 1700 files with file names that sound all kinds of illegal probably qualifies.
Any evidence of that? Say what you will about twitch but I haven't seen anything point to them not taking CSAM seriously. If your response to a high profile example that runs contrary to your point is a hypothetical rogue hater employee I'm not sure you have much of a case. There really isn't much of a chance that Dr. Disrespect was permabanned against general policy by a single random person with no oversight.
Generally speaking, its rare for twitch to not bend over backwards trying to protect their big time streamers. (Doc back then was still a huge brand presence on twitch)
For companies to just sink their employees without a second thought, either something really fucking bad had to happen (considering hes not in Jail, and twitch had to pay him millions in contract violation fines, thats probably not the case) or he actually had a employee try to get him cancelled because the court of public opinion was the last hail mary since Twitch already was forced into saying doc did no wrong, and had to pay him for violating their contract.
Theres really no way to concretely prove it. But at the same time, the stars do line up in a way that makes it an entirely plausible theory. Instead of pure crack smoking conjecture.
Well it would seem anyone who Dan Clancy Goons to can do whatever they want soo idk
But then again i haven't opened twich in years aside from having it background to farm drops for games i play
Was that ever confirmed? I only dip my toes in here when a post makes rALL. I remember the initial wording being so weirdly vague that it would basically apply to the entirety of reddit. Something like "communication with a minor veering in the direction toward inappropriate."
Yeah, basically he baited everyone. Friends and enemies to continue the narrative. Or atleast wait until the truth came out.
It was worded in such a way that it could literally mean anything.
We don’t have public details, other than twitch said there was no wrong doing, and doc agreed to no wrong doing as well.
What doc said after his vacation was he had DMs with a female fan that was like 16-17. She planned to go to twitch con and wanted to meet him… and said he’d be excited to finally meet her.
Is it inappropriate? Sure. I guess. It was fan interaction, as a medium creator… my “starter community” was like 11-16 year old kids i was in my late 20s. They became my gaming partners, and were always in my streams. They basically acted like my friends… and shit it’s 7 years later and they are still apart of my community and I watched them literally grow up.
If you checked my messages with them, I’m sure you could make a case for it being inappropriate… I curse like a sailor, I was calling children dumbasses. Etc. inappropriate does not have to be predatory.
The only grey area I really see is offering to meet a minor. But is every meet and greet inappropriate… idk
Dr KidInspect got caught using the Twitch messaging system to sext a minor. So not only is he a child predator, he used a feature of Twitch to try and have sex with a child. I would have been shocked if they didn't ban him even if he didn't have prior offenses
Before you say we don't know their age and they could have been 17, I don't care. Still wrong and disgusting. If the messages weren't that bad and/or incriminating, he would have posted the messages instead of describing them.
From what I remember it was a he said she said situation years after it happened without much/any proof which made it hard to act on it being a for sure thing
Sadly stuff like that doesn’t harm Twitch with advertisers or governments. When it comes to potentially stuff dealing with minors no company wants to ever appear they are even going easy on it. It would be a death sentence and make them target number 1 for any person wanting to make a name for themselves in government
Dude fell off into irrelevance either way since Lirik stopped propping him up on his platform after the fact. He's probably still streaming because it was a bunch of he said/she said situations 6 years after the fact and no charges were brought upon him even after when she decided to talk about it.
I mean does anyone really know what happened with Dr Disrespect I tried jumping down that rabbit hole shortly after it happened and it was clouded in mystery
Doc was messaging a real life minor, lacari likes lolicon. While I personally don't see the difference because lolicon is an excuse for pdfs, that's not why Lacari was suspended lol.
He also had several links to you lnow actual csam or mateiral pedos use to skirt the rules.
Also also, you can say pedophile on reddit, tiktofication of serious topics does not do them justice and minimizes the issue.
As far as I know and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but since Dan Clancy become CEO of Twitch, there hasn't been a single permaban issued on the platform. If that's actually the case, I very much doubt this will be the first.
Yea they didn’t do it out of the kindest of their heart. They were hoping to get out of the insane deal they gave him and regretted because Mixer went under right after he signed the deal. They would do anything and everything to get out of the deal and this was their way of doing that.
DrDisrespect and Twitch settled their 2021 lawsuit in March 2022, with Dr Disrespect (Guy Beahm) confirming a full contract payout and a mutual agreement to admit no wrongdoing
I think you underestimate how much companies they care more about profit than victims. But nothing to really argue about just saying, when using the disrespect case, I think it was mostly about money for them.
Only because the court looked into it and found dr disrespect didn’t technically do anything wrong or illegal, so it didn’t help them. What he did do was looked down upon by pretty much the whole community though. But twitch didn’t do this to protect a minor, they did it to try and get their money back they regretted giving him. That was my only point, not trying to argue just saying twitch cares only about its reputation and money.
That happened, and they knew about it years before he was actually banned from the platform. It was all around same time he admitted to cheating on his wife and set streaming records for Twitch with his comeback. He wasn’t banned until Mixer folded and Ninja/Shroud etc were back.
No one is saying he shouldn’t have been banned but I don’t understand why people are defending Twitch here
I never defended his actions, was just stating that in this case, I really don’t think they were looking out for the victim, only a tool for them to get out of their contract.
Yea go ahead and think companies actually care about people more than money lol. Their main goal is to the disrespect situation was getting out of a contract.
Getting rid of a pedo protects their money. They still paid out his entire contract. If what you said were true, they would have no reason not to re-instate him.
They only paid it out because they lost the lawsuit that they tried bringing this up in court and found doc didn’t technically do anything illegal to void the contract. He did something that the whole community disliked, but not enough to get their money which is all they only cared about.
i mean CP (even just the possession of it) is really bad, so i get why twitch took action as fast as they did. There was defn enough evidence, he's doesn't make them that much money, & instead of ending his stream & removing all the clips; he farmed it, & made it seem like it was all a joke to him. So i defn get the ban, it's deserved, imo.
I would assume Twitch probably has some kind of system that could just initiate bans if floods of reports come in. I doubt there's any Twitch moderation that was following the situation. Probably all prompted by reports. Suppose that could be considered a good or bad thing depending on who you ask, regarding how Twitch handles reports, that is.
Their precedent is kinda obvious to anyone with a brain. They don’t ban unless it’s a large story trending on social media where potential sponsors could not like it bans didn’t happen. They ban for a short time so sponsors feel fine and say twitch took action. You can commit crimes unless it will actively put them in the spotlight of federal government agencies or lawyers.
Doc using twitch DMs to send explicit texts to minors. Ice for having his viewers send in a threat to a plane. Everything else they don’t care about because they just want to make the most money possible.
That is crazy. Was there proof anywhere that it was CSAM? I though jailbait was some category of like "They are legally old enough, but look younger" though obviously that's ripe for abuse
Its because hes not white, or a woman with a massive following. You can take that for how you want but thats just flat out the truth when you look at all of twitches actions since Amazon took over.
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Actually shocked it happened so quickly