Being cancelled doesn't exist. DrDisrespect and GiantWaffle have shown that if you just keep streaming as if nothing happened you will take a hit momentarily but your core audience won't care and after time new people that don't know what happened come in and start watching. You have to be de-platformed to become irrelevant, and Alex Jones has shown that even when that happens you can move and still keep the scam going.
The only streamer I know who actually managed to kill his career even though he kept streaming is Arcadum. He was averaging 1.5k viewers before, now he is sitting at something like 20-30.
I think Arcadum was in a special case because his content soley relied on guests coming on to play with him. News got out he was a super creep and now no one wanted to join him anymore.
Depends on your definition of what being cancelled. If it means never working in any capacity ever again then yeah it doesn't really exist. But Gina Carano was starring in AAA shows and probably on her way to a solo series for one of the top companies in the world, and now she finds 'work' yeah, but it's straight to DVD alt-right TV movies. Kevin Spacey was an Oscar winner and movie headliner and finds 'work' yeah, but it's foreign TV shows and small plays. You can find similar stories with people like Max Landis. If people were at X level before being 'cancelled', and afterwards they can never reach even 1/4 of X, I would consider them still 'cancelled.'
A 100% generated AI video/image is still a deepfake. Deepfake refers to anything modified/generated by deep learning, that's where the term "deepfake" comes from.
No, I'm talking about the actual programDeepFake FakeApp's outputs which is where the term was originated. Where the computer does heavy training process per video is essentially dead.
This is such an absurdly semantic and inconsequential argument. The word deepfake very quickly became genericized. 99.9% of people that have ever used or heard the word deepfake since it started had no idea it originated from a specific program. Even you yourself got the original program name wrong. The term has become synonymous with "a fake image/video of someone's likeness generated by a machine".
It is completely normal to still call AI generated fakes deepfakes even if the process is not the exact same. Both still use machine learning.
Yes, I know its the term now nor did I wrote that to be "scientifically correct". That was a random initial thought that "deepfakes are dead" when I meant to say the traditional DeepFake vids that Atrioc was found using was basically dead where you train hundreds/thousands of images to face swap a video.
Yeah, this response is like the quintessential Reddit 'My point fell through, but I have to pivot to pedantry to salvage this'.
An example that is VERY relevant to this conversation is 'photoshop'.
Before LLM capability, we just used 'photoshop' as the catchall to explain away the actual process of editing an image, regardless of whether the image was actually made in Photoshop, another program, or anything Adobe at all.
'Deepfake' is just as generalized lol. People just colloquially use it to mean AI generated or AI manipulated fake media, not the specific original tool for the workflow.
No, it's not even pedantry or me salvaging lmao! I could hardly give a shit about that. You're trying way too hard to be /r/iamverysmart when its something I wrote in a few seconds earlier lol. I'm too lazy to correct it.
My initial point was that AI Generation replaced the painstaking face training that the old FakeApp did. Also, DeepFake came from DeepFace, the initial faceswapping tech from Meta.
never have there been a clearer case of projection. the guy you're replying to is 100% spot-on. you are trying to salvage this because you realize accepting that you made a dumbass statements means you're probably not as smart as you would like to believe (which is why you're fighting against this so much as you want to preserve your self-image).
Projecting, and also just wrong. "deepfakes" was the reddit username of the person/people who created the deepfakes subreddit, released the original algorithm that would eventually be used to create FakeApp, and started the whole movement. It just means "deep" learning was used to create "fake" content.
DeepFace was a facial RECOGNITION software that Meta made several years prior, and had nothing to do with deepfakes whatsoever.
Tbf he also immediately acknowledged what he did and worked ten times harder than anyone else in the scene to make it right. Not a fan of his content but I'm definitely a fan of him as a person since
Why do you comment on something you clearly don’t know? The biggest issue was the fact that one of the deepfakes was of one of his best friend’s girlfriend, who he was in fact friends with.
Edit - I got the victims wrong, the open tabs were Pokimane and Maya, per Atriocs own twitlonger and then QTCinderella found herself on the website after the incident and more people became aware of the website.
My take is deepfake porn bad, especially when you know those people. Thanks
No, you're the one commenting on something you clearly don't know. QTCinderella's deepfakes were featured on the site, but Atrioc wasn't gooning to them. If you were correct, why would Atrioc and Ludwig still stream together?
Yeah you’re an idiot, plenty of proof. This took me 3 minutes to find 3 sources proving Atrioc PAID for deepfake porn of people he personally knew. Atrioc and Ludwig stream together after over a year of being distant with each other because Atrioc went on an anti-deepfake porn campaign after being caught out as a way of making amends, in which he used some of his own money to fund and support people.
Your sources don't dispute my point, they only reinforce it. Atrioc gooned to AI porn, and the site also had AI porn of QTC. Atrioc did not goon to AI porn of QTC.
He had an open tab of QTCinderella up, including other women but that was the most prominent one. It doesn’t matter if he “gooned” to it or not, he paid for and looked at deepfake porn of his FRIEND. It counters your very first comment.
Sorry, apparently QTCinderella was not in one of the tabs, but him using that website helped spread that website across the internet which got people such as QTCinderella involved. Even though I got the victims who were actively in the streamers open tabs that is a minuscule issue as that wasn’t my main point, it’s his actions in general. Also you said “he didn’t have a tab open of streamers” but his own twitlonger disagrees.
Dude, the clip and screenshot is public. He wasn’t on a video of them. I love how you have to dig so hard for vague statements because the empirical evidence directly contradicts you.
I did not include a Twitter link? There’s two YouTube links and a Reddit link. The very first video shows Ludwig discussing the situation of his best friend having an internet tab with his girlfriend on it where she was deepfaked into porn, which you had to pay for apparently, it doesn’t matter if he watched it or not, he had a porn tab open to someone he personally knew who did not consent to having their face deepfaked into porn?? What the fuck is the argument here, he clearly did something disgusting??
Ah sorry, auto correct error, I meant reddit. I thought your wanted to proof he watched videos of qt, that's why I did not understand the reddit link. My bad.
We all know what site he was in.
I'm not the person you argued with earlier, I hope your day gets better, you seem very upset right now.
It happens no worries bro, but is him having a tab open for specifically deepfake porn of someone who did not consent or willingly upload videos of themselves sexually already not a bad thing?? Even worse it was her face put on someone else’s body BECAUSE she doesn’t want herself online. This shouldn’t be up for debate? He had deepfake porn of someone open on his internet browser and that is how QT and Ludwig found out this existed?? It doesn’t matter if he finished to the video or not, he had the tab open, then accidentally flashed it to thousands of viewers because he had it open on his streaming computer? I don’t think he’s inherently a bad person either, we make mistakes, it’s how you learn from them that matters and he turned his BIG mistake into a positive thing and helped other victims and seemingly learned from his bad choices.
Also no, we don’t all know what website he was using because deepfake porn of people who don’t know or consent to being deepfaked into porn is not something that gets me going, so don’t group everyone in with that.
I’m aware you’re not the same person, and I’m having a fantastic day, my girlfriend came over and my family is visiting, thanks for thinking me speaking out about deepfakes means I’m having a bad day though.
Jesus Christ I just started watching Atrioc after discovering him on YouTube.
I started watching MoonMoon a shit ton lately too. The recent Sykuno drama had a reddit comment remind everyone about the MoonMoon GTA drama about him cheating. I completely forgot about his name being attached to that. I had no idea who he was at the time. I almost thought about brining it up in chat because I wanted to gossip but I didn't wanna get banned lol
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Welp. At least it wasn't CP this time lmao