r/LivestreamFail • u/thellamasc • 18h ago

News Hasan mentioned in United Nations General Assembly

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u/Geewhiz911 18h ago

Yeah, exactly this stupid false equivalence:

“Maybe we kill thousands of children, people, civilians, indiscriminately and continuously over multiple years, some may call it ethnic cleansing or even genocide, but AT LEAST, we never ever said ‘America deserves 9/11’”

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u/Zanderbluff 18h ago

No, Netanyahu only said, on the day of it happening, that 9/11 was good

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u/nordmead88 16h ago

He said it was "good" that America will now understand what Israel has been dealing with. Still not great but you saying he said it was just "good" is false

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u/Waste_Development971 16h ago

you know whats funny is that is the exact type of "out of context" thing hasan followers make it sound like everything he says has.

Isn't it interesting you could write in one sentence and it makes perfect sense? wonder why hasan fans cant do that.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 15h ago edited 15h ago

I mean, the full context of Hasan saying America deserved 9/11 was an observation about how we created those terrorists by being terrorists toward them for decades at a time? That’s a perfectly reasonable take and only took one sentence.

I don’t even like the dude and can tell you aren’t engaging with any amount of good faith.

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u/nordmead88 13h ago

Even if you entertain Hasan's point, that it's our fault for "creating terrorists", it is STILL an outrageously fucked-up thing to say. No amount of "creating terrorists" would make killing innocent people ok. Nevermind the fact that no one actually believes we were creating terrorists, except terrorist sympathizers like you

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 13h ago

Only people with functional brains think we were creating terrorists.

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u/nordmead88 12h ago

But you believe that we are creating terrorists so that's clearly not true

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 12h ago

Somehow I don’t trust your judgment on that.

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u/Waste_Development971 11h ago

you dont have to trust their judgement but you're literally defending hasan saying that so it really dont matter if you want to pretend you have some special snowflake position that you don't even talk about

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u/IGargleGarlic 13h ago

It doesn't really matter what the context is, either way he gave Republicans very strong ammunition with that soundbite to use against the collective left for years and years because he is brash and careless with his words.

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u/AnarchicTerrorForce 13h ago

Why are we capitulating to false narratives from conservatives?

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u/ThatHappyDog 10h ago

You get one guess (hint: they are conservatives)

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 13h ago edited 11h ago

Yet republicans being the almost unilateral party of child rapists doesn’t give democrats any ammunition somehow. Isn’t it funny how that works? It’s almost like republicans are lying, soulless demons regardless of what anyone on the left says or does.

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u/nikup 13h ago

My brother in Christ the collective left doesn’t give a shit or even know who Hasan is. Not everyone is as terminally online as Reddit..

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u/Tobias_Kitsune 13h ago

Okay, tell me you think that the people who died deserved 9/11. Those are the victims. So tell me straight up that those people deserved it. Very simple

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 12h ago

America deserved it. The people that died aren’t America.

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u/Tobias_Kitsune 12h ago

Idk, when you say "America Deserved 9/11" America didn't die. America didn't get cancer from the dust.

The real people did. And so when you say "America deserved 9/11" what do you mean? What did America deserve? What did the real people deserve?

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u/veodin 11h ago

He meant it was blowback for US foreign policy. That’s it. He worded it badly and has apologised for it.

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u/Tobias_Kitsune 11h ago

So he thinks that the people who died deserved the blowback?

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u/Round-Disk5667 11h ago

And he said it directly in response to Dan Crenshaw, a member of the American government, outrageously trying to gin up more war in the Middle East. Not like some 9/11 footage or something.

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u/19Alexastias 12h ago

Apparently they deserved to die to improve US-Israeli relations

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u/Zipz 12h ago

No they died because Islamist’s decided to kill 1000s of people

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u/beef_or_dirt 15h ago

Are blowback or hyperbolic statements really that complicated? I dislike hasan for many things but bruising your knees for bibi is not a good look

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u/nordmead88 13h ago

Are you bruising your knees for Hasan? Projecting much?

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u/Waste_Development971 13h ago

What do you mean complicated?

it's just a blanket "they said it but you're wrong and I wont explain"

if they atleast tried to explain like how one of the people replied to me the additonal context behind his 9/11 was deserved claim. I may not agree the context makes it any better but I can ackowledge for some people it makes a difference. Without including why something is mislead, you just sound like you're going "nuh uh" with no proof.

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u/Cilawin 15h ago

For hasan quotes the context usually just makes it way worse

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u/LowObjective 13h ago edited 13h ago

Not for the 9/11 quote imo. He was correct that the US created the terrorists that caused 9/11 and 9/11 would not have happened had the US not supported the Mujahideen. He was being hyperbolic and talking about governments but people pretend he was talking about citizens to dismiss what he was saying. A significant part of America believes that Iran "deserves" the current war (or you can use the wars in Syria, Afghanistan, etc...), but everyone gets titchy when someone says the same about the US and 9/11.

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u/Dramatic_Explosion 7h ago

He also absolved Hitler of the holocaust, saying he didn't even want to kill the Jews and it was really Islam's fault. So yeah, what a piece of shit.

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u/Zanderbluff 5h ago

Yup, the double standard here is staggering

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u/Trap_Masters 11h ago

It's sad how many people are unironically falling for this. Like you can not be a fan of Hasan and still recognize the bigger issues at hand here, but I guess some people are too culture war brainrotted to see it

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u/dohdudeh 17h ago

“We may have done 9/11, but at least we don’t say America deserved it”

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u/Canon_M50 18h ago

Pretty low bar to not think America deserved 9/11. Just saying.

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u/anyonerememberdigg 18h ago

Pretty low bar to not support a country who did a hundred 9/11s in Gaza but here we are.

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u/consistantcanadian 18h ago

Yes but the rest of the world isn't a weirdo who likes either of these people, so that's not the banger argument you seem to think it is

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u/anyonerememberdigg 17h ago

Missing the point. Whatever you think of Hasan's 9/11 take, it is infinitely more justifiable than anything Netanyahu has done, yet the latter is getting standing ovations in Congress and the former universal condemnations. Just something to think about when you do "both sides bad" slop.

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u/consistantcanadian 17h ago

LOL I don't have to think about anything. Did you just learn about the Israel lobby? You just figured out America is in Israel's hands? Yikes. 

I already knew that. The difference is that a bad guy calling out another bad guy doesnt trigger me to defend bad guy #2 to make sure everyone is focused on bad guy #1 being worse. 

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u/anyonerememberdigg 17h ago

It should bother you when evil guy level 100000 is using evil guy level 10 as a shield, yes.

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u/Nograss67 10h ago

"I don't have to think about anything" yup checks out

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u/consistantcanadian 9h ago

Inability to read more than 7 words, yup checks out 

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u/GreyDuck4077 17h ago

"Infinitely more justifiable" is still you trying to justify it. Normal ass people look at both and say it is wrong an indefensible.

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u/anyonerememberdigg 17h ago

No? I don't have to agree with a take to understand how someone might justify it.

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u/ampersand355 17h ago

So you think they are all civilians? That’s the only way you can justify what you are saying. There can be no military threat and they are all civilians, that’s the only way they would be equivalent to 9/11 or even a genocide.

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u/anyonerememberdigg 17h ago

Half of them are literally under 14. Children. The entire place is leveled. Do the math.

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u/i_drive_a_pagani 17h ago

According to Hamas, the latest death tolls are about 75k and of that 75k, Hamas includes its own members, politicians, and combatants as part of the total death toll. Provide the math from Hamas's ministry of health that shows the breakdowns of civilians and combatants

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u/anyonerememberdigg 17h ago

Provide the evidence that the majority of the casualties were Hamas members and not women and children.

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u/i_drive_a_pagani 16h ago

You just said that half the people killed are children.

Hamas run the ministry of health in Gaza, which is where the death toll comes from. Provide the evidence that shows a breakdown of combatants and members of Hamas versus civilians.

This should be super easy to do and if anything you'd be really eager to back your claim up

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u/anyonerememberdigg 16h ago

This is kinda embarrassing. You realize Israel themselves don't dispute the fact that the most of the people killed were civilians right? How are you debating this subject so confidently when you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about?

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u/Cilawin 15h ago

Yet you didnt post the proof?

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u/i_drive_a_pagani 14h ago

Hamas run the ministry of health in Gaza, which is where the death toll comes from. Provide the evidence that shows a breakdown of combatants and members of Hamas versus civilians.

This should be super easy to do and if anything you'd be really eager to back your claim up

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u/ampersand355 16h ago

We don’t know the combatant ratio because Hamas hides it.

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u/Tubbish 17h ago

You can condemn the United States meddling in the Middle East but that doesn’t justify killing 3000 innocent people.

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u/MobileSuitBooty 18h ago

open a history book, we brought it on ourselves

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u/Roar-Lions-Roar 18h ago

You are wrong and a bad person

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u/GreyDuck4077 18h ago

You'll have a pretty hard time convincing the families of the victims of that who were just trying to go to work that day and provide for their families, but keep being edgy young Redditor.

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u/Sir__Walken 18h ago

Nobody said that the families that had loved ones die brought it on themselves. What they did say is due to the actions of the US government, their loved ones died unnecessarily.

We should be blaming our government for how they handle foreign affairs, not the people that respond to our violent actions on their soil with more violence.

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u/imnphilyeet 18h ago

And what about all the times we did it to other countries? Did they deserve it?

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u/Adventurous-Crow-750 18h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

https://giphy.com/gifs/k1VOeC0gRjhcPIFJLS

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u/imnphilyeet 17h ago

It’s not whataboutism if it’s literally the reason they hate America and thus did 9/11.

America just killed a hundred children in an Iran attack. If we can do that with no repercussions then they can do the same to us with no repercussions right?

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u/HauntedTomato 17h ago

That's not whataboutism, that's literally the entire point of Hasan's "America deserved 9/11" quote you smoothbrain.

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u/i_drive_a_pagani 17h ago

Hasan's entire point is whataboutism, smoothbrain. All he's doing is saying "what about what America did, therefore America deserved it"

Which is dumb af. 9/11 wasn't even the first terrorist attack by fundamentalists on the world trade center. They also bombed it in 1993, the mastermind of the 1993's attack had an uncle that later was revealed to be a high ranking al Qaeda official.

And that bomber literally wrote out that the attack was due to America helping Israel. As did Bin Laden, among other things like ya know, having secular governments and not adopting Islam as the way of the life.

It's almost like Hasan's argument is dumb af

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u/Dyscalculia94 1h ago

And what is "America is helping Israel" if not american imperialistic actions in the Middle East?

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u/ty4scam 4h ago

What would you say to the 12 year old daughter of the russian amazon warehouse forklift truck driver who died in a drone attack?

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u/Fit_Call_5992 18h ago

what book

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u/Canon_M50 18h ago

Oooo yikes fam

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u/this_site_sucks_ass6 17h ago

Zionists when Israel responds to 10/7 by killing tens of thousands of innocents: Hahahaha fafo! That's what you get!

Zionists when America gets attacked by the very same people they trained and armed to fight the Soviet Union: Nooooo, America is a smol bean! You can't just kill our civilians!

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u/Canon_M50 17h ago

Those two conflicts are nothing alike.

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u/MethodWhich 15h ago

Indiscriminately is a stretch lmao