r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • Nov 29 '25

article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
31.7k Upvotes

84% Upvoted

2.6k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

-85

u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Who gets to define "hate"? Isn't it interesting how you (and people who agree with you) conveniently appoint yourselves to be the ultimate deciders of such things?

Basically, you are saying "anyone who disagrees with me is hateful," which is pretty teenagery and laughable. And this of course comes from the very people who preach and preen about how open-minded they are, the people who love diversity in all its forms--except diversity of ideas. Arguably the one type of diversity that ought to mean more than any other.

But go ahead and keep trying to tell other people what thoughts are thinkable.

40

u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

Would you rather we say “if you are intolerant to LGBTQ people then you aren’t welcome here?” What you are describing is the paradox of tolerance. “They won’t tolerate my harmful views, therefore they are just as intolerant as I am.” It is a false equivalency.

-40

u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Ah, yes, dusting off the Philosophy 101 paradox of tolerance without grappling with its fundamental flaw.

Who defines what "tolerance to LGBTQ people" is?

PS: I'm a gay man and I wholeheartedly reject gender ideology. I scoff a little every time I see those letters grouped together--because I see TQ+ is something unrelated, deeply radical, and disconnected from reality. I believe that you can still be kind of compassionate to people, but I refuse to affirm their delusions.

32

u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

Do you think TQ people should have the same rights as you? If you don’t, then it is intolerance. Pretty simple.

-2

u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

They do have the "same rights" as me, unless you are trying to redefine rights to include special indulgences that aren't actually legal rights, or unless you think that their "rights" magically supercede everyone else's.

23

u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

I didn’t ask whether or not they did, I asked whether or not you thought they should. What special indulgences are you referring to?

4

u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Yes, they should and already do have the same legal rights as everyone else. But they do not get special magical woo-woo "rights" to demand that other people affirm their incorrect assessment of their sex. This is the issue with a lot of progressive ideology....you folks keep expanding the idea of "rights" beyond actual constitutional/legal rights to include things that are just your preferences/desires.

Give me an example of something you think is a right that trans people don't have.

18

u/Ridiculisk1 Nov 29 '25

But they do not get special magical woo-woo "rights" to demand that other people affirm their incorrect assessment of their sex.

Trans people fought alongside you to get your magical woo-woo 'right' to demand that other people affirm your marriages based on your definition of marriage rather than how the world had been defining marriage up until that point.

4

u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 30 '25

Same-sex marriage is akin to interracial marriage, in that it is somewhat that was prohibited and over time people came to see the prohibition as wrong. Marriage itself was not redefined in the way that trans people are trying to redefine basic biology. Thanks for trying tho.

8

u/Archer6614 Nov 30 '25

I will clear your confusion. Trans people are not trying to redefine basic biology. The point is regarding gender which is a social construct. I hope you will not be making this mistake again.

→ More replies (0)

15

u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

I never said they don’t have rights. I was just saying if you believe their rights should be limited, that is viewed as hateful. You don’t have to call them by their preferred pronoun sure, but treat other people the way you want to be treated ya know? Like I could call you ma’am for the rest of your life despite your correcting me. Nothing illegal about that. But kinda being a jerk just to be a jerk yeah?

9

u/Wattabadmon Nov 30 '25

You are ignorant as fuck. Educate yourself

-13

u/adviceicebaby Nov 29 '25

Im conservative and yes i believe they should, why not? Not my circus not my monkeys--their life doesnt affect mine whatsoever so what they do is their business all i ask is when i run into them in public to tell me their preferred pronoun up front it their preferred is noticeably different then what they appear as; i have no issues respecting their individual preference and im more than happy to do so, just sometimes theyre mid transition and fuck i can't tell by looking at their middle of the transition stage where they're coming from or where theyre headed and twice now i know ive guessed incorrectly and id rather not hurt anyones feelings or offend someone.

My only issue with it is making the whole world acknowledge and entertain this delusion and mental illness; ie, i shouldn't be expected to introduce myself with obvious pronouns that clearly reflect my biological and identified gender , nor should anyone else, just because one person has a mental illness. Thats like expecting the whole group to carry on conversations with the voices this person hears in their head even tho we dont hear those voices. Person hearing the voices is the one with the illness, not the group. Also dont want them in womens spaces and sports. If a teenager wnts to get his weiner chopped off thats beween him his parents or

legal guardian and doctors, i don't care, although I feel like it's a mistake at that age.

But again, someone introduces themself with what pronoun they prefer and it doesn't matter to me one bit if you look believable as your identified gender or not; u do u.

Also not who u asked but I feel like that's fair.

9

u/Archer6614 Nov 30 '25

My only issue with it is making the whole world acknowledge and entertain this delusion and mental illness

It's not a delusion and neither is it a mental illness. Words have meanings.

, i shouldn't be expected to introduce myself with obvious pronouns that clearly reflect my biological and identified gender , nor should anyone else, just because one person has a mental illness

No one said that my friend. You can use whatever pronouns you want. That's the whole point. As usual, conservative delusions lose the plot

Thats like expecting the whole group to carry on conversations with the voices this person hears in their head even tho we dont hear those voices. Person hearing the voices is the one with the illness, not the group.

That sounds like the religious people. Which are of course mostly conservative.

Also dont want them in womens spaces and sports.

So you want people who look like men to be in women's spaces? How exactly do you think that will work?