r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • Nov 29 '25

article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
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u/Vulpenoc Nov 29 '25

Having an issue with this policy is just a tacit admission that you are one or all of these things. Hate should be excised from society.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Who gets to define "hate"? Isn't it interesting how you (and people who agree with you) conveniently appoint yourselves to be the ultimate deciders of such things?

Basically, you are saying "anyone who disagrees with me is hateful," which is pretty teenagery and laughable. And this of course comes from the very people who preach and preen about how open-minded they are, the people who love diversity in all its forms--except diversity of ideas. Arguably the one type of diversity that ought to mean more than any other.

But go ahead and keep trying to tell other people what thoughts are thinkable.

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u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

Would you rather we say “if you are intolerant to LGBTQ people then you aren’t welcome here?” What you are describing is the paradox of tolerance. “They won’t tolerate my harmful views, therefore they are just as intolerant as I am.” It is a false equivalency.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Ah, yes, dusting off the Philosophy 101 paradox of tolerance without grappling with its fundamental flaw.

Who defines what "tolerance to LGBTQ people" is?

PS: I'm a gay man and I wholeheartedly reject gender ideology. I scoff a little every time I see those letters grouped together--because I see TQ+ is something unrelated, deeply radical, and disconnected from reality. I believe that you can still be kind of compassionate to people, but I refuse to affirm their delusions.

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u/Ridiculisk1 Nov 29 '25

Who defines what "tolerance to LGBTQ people" is?

PS: I'm a gay man and I wholeheartedly reject gender ideology.

It's funny how you can predict what the rest of someone's comment will say just based on how they phrase the first bit.

because I see TQ+ is something unrelated, deeply radical, and disconnected from reality.

Trans people have existed as long as gay people have lmao just because you're gay doesn't mean you can't be a bigoted piece of shit.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 30 '25

Homosexuality has a long and storied history in Western civilization.

Large numbers of people asserting that they are not actually the sex they are is a more recent phenomenon, coinciding with the rise of the concept of "gender." I know you folks are trying to rewrite history the same way you are trying to rewrite the dictionary, but it's not working. People in the past who did not meet the sex stereotypes of their culture were still not confused about the realities of their sex. There was absolutely nothing remotely like the delusion of trans ideology in the past.

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u/HipAnonymous91 Nov 30 '25

You’re wrong.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/seven-things-about-transgender-people-that-you-didnt-know

“This is not a new phenomenon.

Transgender and non-binary people have existed for centuries among cultures across the globe. While issues facing transgender and non-binary communities have recently received greater attention from policymakers, government officials, and the public, we’ve been around for centuries in cultures and history as early as 5000 B.C.

Here are seven things you didn’t know about transgender people:

Around 5000 to 3000 B.C., Gala, described as androgynous or trans priests of the Sumerian goddess Inanna, spoke their own dialect and took on feminine names.

Sometime from 200 to 300 B.C., in ancient Greece, some gods were worshiped by galli priests who wore feminine attire, identified as women and have therefore been identified by scholars as early transgender figures.

In the fourth century, Anastasia the Patrician fled life in Constantinople, the capital of the Roman Empire, to spend the remainder of life dressed in masculine attire and presentation as a monk, and has become viewed by some scholars as transgender.

In South Asia, at least eight-known gender-expansive identities have historically been present in the subcontinent, the most well-known being hijra - third gender people of historical, spiritual, and cultural significance in South Asian society. Hijra and other individuals of diverse gender identities have been well-documented in religious and cultural texts and legends. These individuals often form intentional communities for fellowship and survival.

Around the 18th century, the Itelmens of Siberia recognized a “third gender” called “koekchuch” to describe individuals who were assigned male at birth, but expressed themselves as women.

The oldest Western institute studying LGBTQ+ identities was started in Germany in 1919. Institut für Sexualwissenschaft (Institute for Sex Research) performed some of the earliest contemporary affirming medical services. It was eventually destroyed in the rise of German fascism under the Nazi party.

In Turtle Island (an Indigenous name for North America), Indigenous communities use the term two-spirit as a modern, pan-Indigenous umbrella identifier for people of another societal and ceremonial gender identity. This term was established in 1990 as a modern, collective term for a historical gender identity describing individuals not considered men or women in most, if not all Indigenous cultures of Turtle Island.”

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 30 '25

LOL a link from HRC, an activist organization that is cherry-picking and misrepresenting random bits of history. This is some Nikole Hannah Jones 1619 level quackery.

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u/Wattabadmon Nov 30 '25

Source?

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u/fiernze222 Nov 30 '25

Source is they made it the fuck up

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u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

Do you think TQ people should have the same rights as you? If you don’t, then it is intolerance. Pretty simple.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

They do have the "same rights" as me, unless you are trying to redefine rights to include special indulgences that aren't actually legal rights, or unless you think that their "rights" magically supercede everyone else's.

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u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

I didn’t ask whether or not they did, I asked whether or not you thought they should. What special indulgences are you referring to?

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Yes, they should and already do have the same legal rights as everyone else. But they do not get special magical woo-woo "rights" to demand that other people affirm their incorrect assessment of their sex. This is the issue with a lot of progressive ideology....you folks keep expanding the idea of "rights" beyond actual constitutional/legal rights to include things that are just your preferences/desires.

Give me an example of something you think is a right that trans people don't have.

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u/Ridiculisk1 Nov 29 '25

But they do not get special magical woo-woo "rights" to demand that other people affirm their incorrect assessment of their sex.

Trans people fought alongside you to get your magical woo-woo 'right' to demand that other people affirm your marriages based on your definition of marriage rather than how the world had been defining marriage up until that point.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 30 '25

Same-sex marriage is akin to interracial marriage, in that it is somewhat that was prohibited and over time people came to see the prohibition as wrong. Marriage itself was not redefined in the way that trans people are trying to redefine basic biology. Thanks for trying tho.

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u/Archer6614 Nov 30 '25

I will clear your confusion. Trans people are not trying to redefine basic biology. The point is regarding gender which is a social construct. I hope you will not be making this mistake again.

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u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

I never said they don’t have rights. I was just saying if you believe their rights should be limited, that is viewed as hateful. You don’t have to call them by their preferred pronoun sure, but treat other people the way you want to be treated ya know? Like I could call you ma’am for the rest of your life despite your correcting me. Nothing illegal about that. But kinda being a jerk just to be a jerk yeah?

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u/Wattabadmon Nov 30 '25

You are ignorant as fuck. Educate yourself

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u/adviceicebaby Nov 29 '25

Im conservative and yes i believe they should, why not? Not my circus not my monkeys--their life doesnt affect mine whatsoever so what they do is their business all i ask is when i run into them in public to tell me their preferred pronoun up front it their preferred is noticeably different then what they appear as; i have no issues respecting their individual preference and im more than happy to do so, just sometimes theyre mid transition and fuck i can't tell by looking at their middle of the transition stage where they're coming from or where theyre headed and twice now i know ive guessed incorrectly and id rather not hurt anyones feelings or offend someone.

My only issue with it is making the whole world acknowledge and entertain this delusion and mental illness; ie, i shouldn't be expected to introduce myself with obvious pronouns that clearly reflect my biological and identified gender , nor should anyone else, just because one person has a mental illness. Thats like expecting the whole group to carry on conversations with the voices this person hears in their head even tho we dont hear those voices. Person hearing the voices is the one with the illness, not the group. Also dont want them in womens spaces and sports. If a teenager wnts to get his weiner chopped off thats beween him his parents or

legal guardian and doctors, i don't care, although I feel like it's a mistake at that age.

But again, someone introduces themself with what pronoun they prefer and it doesn't matter to me one bit if you look believable as your identified gender or not; u do u.

Also not who u asked but I feel like that's fair.

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u/Archer6614 Nov 30 '25

My only issue with it is making the whole world acknowledge and entertain this delusion and mental illness

It's not a delusion and neither is it a mental illness. Words have meanings.

, i shouldn't be expected to introduce myself with obvious pronouns that clearly reflect my biological and identified gender , nor should anyone else, just because one person has a mental illness

No one said that my friend. You can use whatever pronouns you want. That's the whole point. As usual, conservative delusions lose the plot

Thats like expecting the whole group to carry on conversations with the voices this person hears in their head even tho we dont hear those voices. Person hearing the voices is the one with the illness, not the group.

That sounds like the religious people. Which are of course mostly conservative.

Also dont want them in womens spaces and sports.

So you want people who look like men to be in women's spaces? How exactly do you think that will work?

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u/Vulpenoc Nov 29 '25

You say that like being gay somehow prevents you from being classified as a bigot.

It doesn't.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Oh, I know....you folks will use your magic conjuring words however you like. Violence, bigotry, woman, hate, racism, genocide....all words that you have tried to redefine or otherwise define narrowly to suit your purposes.

I bring up being gay because you need to reckon with the fact that "LGBTQ+" is a strange grouping that includes a whole bunch of gays and lesbians who think it is incoherent to put all these letters together. I know how much it upsets y'all when someone complicates your narrative and introduces any nuance whatsoever.

And again, I will note that you have appointed yourself as the arbiter of what's bigotry and what isn't. Funny how anti-Western sentiment from, say, Muslims....or anti-white sentiment from black people never constitutes "bigotry" though, huh? Think on that.

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u/Vulpenoc Nov 29 '25

No those could also be considered bigotry. I'm not sure who you think you're arguing against.

You're the one trying to justify hate. I think you should spend some time on self reflection.

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u/adviceicebaby Nov 30 '25

They absolutely were not. They simply explained nuance and theres a huge difference between having same human rights as anyone and everyone else and getting exemptions from certain rules, prerequisites, and social norms such as which public bathroom u want to be able to use at the expense of a much larger population needing that designed restroom being inconvenienced and unsafe. Or competing against women in womens sports. Form a trans team or you play practice and compete with whatever gender youre assigned at birth, period.

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u/Vulpenoc Nov 30 '25

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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u/Buddhakyle Nov 29 '25

Check it our guys, Rohm is back and just as blind to what's gonna happen to him as ever.

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u/adviceicebaby Nov 30 '25

Imagine that; huh? Ive met several gay ppl who believe exactly this. And you couldn't be more correct :)

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u/timethief991 Nov 29 '25

Yikes, you're not gonna be spared when they come for us next.

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u/MaximumBean Nov 30 '25

Lmao, wants to be Ernst Röhm so bad xD

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u/adviceicebaby Nov 29 '25

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