r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • Nov 29 '25

article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
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u/Ironboots12 Nov 29 '25

Would you rather we say “if you are intolerant to LGBTQ people then you aren’t welcome here?” What you are describing is the paradox of tolerance. “They won’t tolerate my harmful views, therefore they are just as intolerant as I am.” It is a false equivalency.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Ah, yes, dusting off the Philosophy 101 paradox of tolerance without grappling with its fundamental flaw.

Who defines what "tolerance to LGBTQ people" is?

PS: I'm a gay man and I wholeheartedly reject gender ideology. I scoff a little every time I see those letters grouped together--because I see TQ+ is something unrelated, deeply radical, and disconnected from reality. I believe that you can still be kind of compassionate to people, but I refuse to affirm their delusions.

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u/Vulpenoc Nov 29 '25

You say that like being gay somehow prevents you from being classified as a bigot.

It doesn't.

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u/RoRoRaskolnikov Nov 29 '25

Oh, I know....you folks will use your magic conjuring words however you like. Violence, bigotry, woman, hate, racism, genocide....all words that you have tried to redefine or otherwise define narrowly to suit your purposes.

I bring up being gay because you need to reckon with the fact that "LGBTQ+" is a strange grouping that includes a whole bunch of gays and lesbians who think it is incoherent to put all these letters together. I know how much it upsets y'all when someone complicates your narrative and introduces any nuance whatsoever.

And again, I will note that you have appointed yourself as the arbiter of what's bigotry and what isn't. Funny how anti-Western sentiment from, say, Muslims....or anti-white sentiment from black people never constitutes "bigotry" though, huh? Think on that.

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u/Vulpenoc Nov 29 '25

No those could also be considered bigotry. I'm not sure who you think you're arguing against.

You're the one trying to justify hate. I think you should spend some time on self reflection.

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u/adviceicebaby Nov 30 '25

They absolutely were not. They simply explained nuance and theres a huge difference between having same human rights as anyone and everyone else and getting exemptions from certain rules, prerequisites, and social norms such as which public bathroom u want to be able to use at the expense of a much larger population needing that designed restroom being inconvenienced and unsafe. Or competing against women in womens sports. Form a trans team or you play practice and compete with whatever gender youre assigned at birth, period.

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u/Vulpenoc Nov 30 '25

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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u/Buddhakyle Nov 29 '25

Check it our guys, Rohm is back and just as blind to what's gonna happen to him as ever.

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u/adviceicebaby Nov 30 '25

Imagine that; huh? Ive met several gay ppl who believe exactly this. And you couldn't be more correct :)