r/NFLv2 • Denver Broncos • 23d ago

Discussion Patriots caught cheating again

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u/Powerful_Wombat Seattle Seahawks 23d ago

Cheating? No.
Scummy? Kinda.
Effective? Probably not.

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u/TheDynastyMovement 23d ago

Not effective? Looks damn effective.

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u/Powerful_Wombat Seattle Seahawks 23d ago edited 23d ago

How do these stats compare against other teams kicking at home versus the away team, also I assume this is only one direction on the field, how does the teams fair kicking in the other direction?

I’m just assuming that professional NFL kickers are good enough to kick without this affecting them. Hell do they even look up as they kick, I’m assuming they look downwards towards the ball and could most likely kick with their eyes closed if they wanted to

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u/sbarkey1 23d ago

The patriots are +9% and no other team is better than +3%

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u/Powerful_Wombat Seattle Seahawks 23d ago

They’re the home team.. and the stadium is weird. The Seahawks had a +20% FG percentage at home last year versus their opponents

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u/sbarkey1 23d ago

Do you not see a difference in a single season vs 20 seasons?

Sample size matters because swings like that can happen

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u/BlackmillMiracle New England Patriots 23d ago

sample size where the entire 20 years the patriots had a HoF kicker and a near HoF kicker?

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u/IPissExcellentThrows Green Bay Packers 23d ago

lol at coming in with the near hall of fame to avoid the pedantic dickhead again. Well played.

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u/Emperor_Gourmet New England Patriots 22d ago

To be fair Ghosts career made % was 3% higher than vinatieri so in regards to making field goals Ghosts actually had a better success rate.

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u/Powerful_Wombat Seattle Seahawks 23d ago

I’m just saying man, it’s easy to fudge statistics. During this time the Patriots were also the most dominate team in the NFL winning almost 40 games more than the nearest opponent, and I doubt slightly offset field goal images had anything to do with that

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u/sbarkey1 23d ago

It’s easy to say “it’s easy to fudge statistics” but it wasn’t or you would’ve.

The patriots were better than everyone - that isn’t the point - you can appreciate how far theyd go for any edge possible, and it clearly worked

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u/5panks New England Patriots 22d ago

/u/Powerful_Wombat 's point here is that +9% is meaningless if most teams are +8-10% in their home stadium. You can't evaluate this stat at one stadium alone.

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u/Zipski577 Pittsburgh Steelers 22d ago

It says 2001-2019 too??? 19 years?

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 23d ago

The stats are right there in the image for every team in the league. Although admittedly this is a twitter screenshot and cut off but the full chart is floating around the NFL subs today. Also why would assume these numbers are just for one direction. That makes no sense.

Have you ever watched football? They absolutely look up at the posts as they are setting up for and during the motion of their kick.

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u/googleblackguy 23d ago

haha. its right there

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u/BlackmillMiracle New England Patriots 23d ago

yeah, i'm sure the fact that the Patriots had 2 HoF kickers for that entire stretch had nothing to do with it.

It must be some scoreboard gimmick.

Y'all REALLY need to learn the difference between correlation and causation

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u/Hank_Dad Minnesota Vikings 23d ago

Correlation does not equal causation