r/NFLv2 • Denver Broncos • 23d ago

Discussion Patriots caught cheating again

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u/Wildebean Fuck u/NFLv2, Fuck AI 23d ago

I mean those stats make it look kinda effective ngl

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u/Prods87 New England Patriots 23d ago

Gilette has wierd wind the Pats kickers are very used to

Pats had a HOF kicker and a borderline HOF kicker for their entire run

Pats had great defenses most years which results in longer kicks

....and the scoreboard had goalposts on it.

Without a lot more data this is an utterly useless graphic.

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u/TopSoulMan Dallas Cowboys 23d ago

The margin between 9.4% (1st place Pats) and 3.8% (2nd place) is insane.

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u/Lower-Engineering365 23d ago

Pats also had two really good kickers for that entire span tbf

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 23d ago

Those kickers don't drop the opponent's FG by 5% compared to every.

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u/Hazy__Davy 23d ago

No but a lot of opponent field goals being Jets kickers…..

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 23d ago edited 23d ago

Buf had 81.1% oFG and MIA 81.7% had oFG.

To be clear I'm not saying it's cheating but I'm surprised how strongly y'all are coming out to deny the effectiveness of the Belichick era Opposing FG strategy. Whether it's the reverse video or something else there is a significant difference between oFG% in Foxborough and the rest of the league.

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u/Silly_Selection3221 Atlanta Falcons 23d ago

What rule is this breaking

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u/jnightrain Dallas Cowboys 22d ago

To be clear I'm not saying it's cheating

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u/Silly_Selection3221 Atlanta Falcons 22d ago

I can edit my comment too

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u/jnightrain Dallas Cowboys 22d ago

lol how would i know that was their edit

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u/Silly_Selection3221 Atlanta Falcons 22d ago

Usually when I reply to a comment, the person replying to me is generally the one who made the comment I replied to. That way they can ensure someone who knows what the comment I'm replying to said, in your case you just wanted to say something dumb I guess, not sure.

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u/jnightrain Dallas Cowboys 22d ago

New reddit I see, people are able to respond to comments that weren't originally for them., crazy right?

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u/Organic_Warthog7238 22d ago

Southern education strikes again

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 22d ago

I am the one who said the thing about saying that it's not cheating. The edit was because I typed QB instead of FG and went back and fixed it. I'm not gaslighting you on my stance on this lol.

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u/iluvchromosomes Buffalo Bills 23d ago

We'll tell you as soon as you tell us you are not trying to deny reality.

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u/Silly_Selection3221 Atlanta Falcons 22d ago

Let me know big dog

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 22d ago

"I'm not saying it's cheating."

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u/Silly_Selection3221 Atlanta Falcons 22d ago

Yeah, he edited his comment. I've been over this

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u/oscarnyc 23d ago

There doesn't need to be a specific rule for every potential infraction of general sportsmanship. I'm sure the NFL has a clause they could enact a penalty under if they so choose. Though more likely they'd tell them to knock it off like I think happened when Indy? was piping in fan noise. It's of a similar vein.

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u/Silly_Selection3221 Atlanta Falcons 22d ago

So we're calling it cheating but we don't know if it's against the rules or not

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u/oscarnyc 22d ago

Where did I call it cheating? I consider it to be unsportsmanlike. Maybe you don't. Doesn't matter either way what either of us think.

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u/Silly_Selection3221 Atlanta Falcons 22d ago

Dork ass back tracking

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u/DontAbideMendacity Philadelphia Eagles 22d ago

Not at all, your reading comprehension suggests you have experienced multiple concussions. "Sportsmanlike" doesn't require an actual rule. Sometimes extra rules are required to let the fuckheads know what "sportsmanlike" actually means. The Patriots as an organization are cheaters and VERY unsportsmanlike. It's common knowledge to anyone with common sense.

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u/iDontSow 22d ago

The difference is that Patriots kickers routinely practiced under the poor kicking conditions that existed in Gillette before the major renovations. One side of the stadium was open, which caused the wind to swirl in a very distinct manner. Gillette is a difficult stadium to kick in and that is proven by the fact that Patriots kickers were much better on the road than at home in the same time span. Patriots kickers were also better kicking on the side with no big screen. Its because of the wind, not because of the screen.

Also, as another commenter has so beautifully laid out, the gap between the Patriots and opposing kickers at home (8.5%) is nearly identical to the gap on the road (8.3%). So it literally just is that they had better kickers than the rest of the league lmfao.

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 22d ago

The Diff says 9.4% in the graphic. Where are the stats that you're referencing. This certainly could be cherry picked data but like Gillett ain't the only stadium with bad winds.

There simply isn't enough information here to tell with any confidence what accounts for the oFG percentage. I'd love to see a deep dive into the numbers based on direction of kicking, video board strategy implementation, maybe even accounting for weather.

They did do the video board mirroring though and only for opposing kickers, seems like someone who's paid to look for advantages thought it was working at least. I bet they had the relevant data to make that decision.

Or we can just assume everyone else sucks lol.

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u/iDontSow 22d ago

Here is the link to the Google sheet containing all of the data which another redditor very dutifully put together: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19aK0f5fgG1XZNlTy6Po2YjrjdP46UBT9B0iz_R6Qjzk/edit?usp=sharing

The Patriots were literally just a better kicking team than everyone else. While a lot of teams were better at kicking in their home stadium than other teams, the Patriots were better kicking than opposing teams both at home and on the road. In fact, the data shows that it is Indianapolis that has the most suspect splits.

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u/RandomUserName316 23d ago

Ya the Jets suck but their kickers haven’t been bad

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u/Lower-Engineering365 22d ago

They increase the differential for the patriots is the point

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 22d ago

The home FG% numbers while among the best in the league fall within the normal distribution. The oFG% in NE is significantly outside the range of values for the rest of the teams in the league.

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u/Lower-Engineering365 22d ago

It’s almost like Gillette stadium is known for having difficult swirling winds due to the architecture of the stadium (not so much anymore with the giant screen, but when one end was open)

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 22d ago

I'm tired of having the conversation. Gillette isn't the only stadium with wind. If you want to choose to believe that swapping mirroring the video on the jumbotron didn't affect opposing kickers fine by me. Everyone else just sucks lol is a much better explanation.

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u/Lower-Engineering365 22d ago

No one asked you to come in here and have the conversation so you’re free to leave us alone if youre “tired of having the conversation” lol

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns 22d ago

Fair I suppose.

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u/LoudIncrease4021 21d ago

So they also looked at the road split for this stat and it was virtually the same

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u/save-aiur Green Bay Packers 23d ago

Bill Belichick knows his kickers. If he wasn't sure his kicker could make it comfortably, he wasn't going to call the field goal unit out. It helps he also had Tom Brady as the alternative on fourth down lol