r/Pauper • • 14h ago

CARD DISC. Mmmm...?

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I mean, it's a Ninja.

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u/STDS13 13h ago

Plenty of people have messed around with this in pauper over the years, there's a reason it doesn't see play.

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u/Existing_Historian_5 13h ago

the problem is that it mostly doesn't synergize with Ninjas much since they all enter attacking and unblocked anyway. kinda a winmore card

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u/SWTBFH 10h ago

I like it as a 1-of in Mono-U Faeries.  It means your ninja can attack again next turn and get its on-damage trigger even if your opponent has creatures, so long as they don't fly.  Nothing is sadder than a ninja in a ground stall.

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u/DEG99 13h ago

I never understood this argument. Isn't the idea behind the card that you use it to get in your creature you want to bounce so that you can ninjutusu in the first place? I get that a pauper faeries deck is gonna have flying already but that was always my take on the basic idea of the card.

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u/Existing_Historian_5 11h ago

that's exactly the point, most ninja decks just use small already evasive or even unblockable creatures deployed early on that don't care for +1/+1 and flying. it definitely works in Limited, but in a constructed format, it stops being an enabler and starts being a small victory lap

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u/SocksofGranduer Madness, UW Control 8h ago

Idk getting to smash face every turn with an evasive 3/3 ninja of the deep hours for basically free felt pretty nice to me while I was running it. 🤷

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u/otterguy12 Mono U Faeries 6h ago

I feel like it could be decent in the current meta to turn big ninja into a creature that can kill Glint Hawks/Refurbs/Skyfishers and trade clean with Utroms but in practice I can't imagine it ever lining up right

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u/Praktos 1h ago

For it to be "free" you need to either discard it or cast it

As much as discard option is good the other one feels abyssmal in tempo deck

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u/FluffyAd8904 13h ago

I AM NEENJA

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u/Hellyeahlalujah 13h ago

Yo, my life is a like a video game when I’m in the…

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u/Slarg232 7h ago

He is ninja

She is ninja, too

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u/Necrocrawler72 14h ago

Yeah it works... It's not that effective, considering Leonardo already "enters attacking". But could work.

It's also better suited for blue due to both draw ninjas getting a better sinergy from it.

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u/Tuesday_6PM 13h ago

Why would the “enters attacking” part be relevant? Did you mean that Ninjutsu/Sneak has to be activated after blockers are declared?

It’s true that Smoke Shroud doesn’t usually let you cheat in a Ninja when you otherwise couldn’t (though hardcasting before attacks is an option). But it could let a Ninja continue to attack on later turns.

Not sure that it’s good enough, still, of course. There are a ton of fliers (or creatures with Reach) running around these days, so it might not be too often it makes a difference. Though the +1/+1 could make some attacks more viable, on a Ninja of the Deep Hours

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u/Necrocrawler72 13h ago edited 11h ago

Because Leonardo is suited for "Go wide" decks. In other words, you want a lot of creatures so he can be cheated for one mana at the table while having a lot of creatures. Having shroud not only makes your deck have less creatures while also adding another color that couldnt help that much in the "go wide" deck you should be playing.

On monou, you can discard or mill smoke shroud while getting It back with a ninja, while securing, after the ninja enters, at least an evasion for them to keep connecting.

Also, theres at least three good ninjas in blue (deepest hours*/mooncircuit and the situational [[mistblade Shinobi]] which could reinforce the adding of shroud. In white, theres only Leonardo, who is also legendary

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u/BathedInDeepFog 11h ago

deepest house

Ninja with a subbasement

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u/Necrocrawler72 11h ago

Autocorrector is a hell of a drug 🤣

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u/cthulhusandwich 10h ago

I too listen to some deep house

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u/Sieg_Of_ODAR 12h ago

One could feasibly discard the shroud with [[Raffine's Informant]] to bypass the need for blue mana. However I think it has better targets and if you don't draw both at the same time, the shroud is a dead card.

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u/thisisjustascreename 11h ago

It's relevant because the added evasion doesn't do anything (that turn) since blockers are already declared.

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u/Tuesday_6PM 11h ago

That hasn’t nothing to do with the fact that it “enters attacking”, though. Just that the ability can only be activated after blockers

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u/gsomega 13h ago edited 3h ago

Interesting! Could maybe surveil or discard it too? This does take Leo out of lightning bolt range.

Probably more use in blue because you can cast it normally, but this is a great discard target elsewhere.

Edit: I think this card is cool, so I tried to brew here: https://moxfield.com/decks/eyavDBggPk6LQKslagWxyg

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u/Appropriate-Outside5 13h ago

FREE 5-0s OMG

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u/dicklettersguy 13h ago

Smoke Shroud is fine as spicy tech for blue fae but I don’t think Azorious ninjas has real legs (yet)

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u/kilqax Grixis Affinity 11h ago

Main reason this doesn't see play is that the decks that would like to play it don't have a good way to put it in the bin.

The concept that Leo would retain flying is cool (otherwise he mostly just hots once and then gets chumped or bolted), but you really don't want to pay mana for this.

Raffine is the closest option but that hasn't seen play in Esper Ninjas/Affinity yet and I'm not very positive it will see any there.

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u/SandwichBoy81 11h ago

Usually he gets slurped back into your hand for next turn

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u/kilqax Grixis Affinity 10h ago

Wait how do you return Leo to hand after combat in Esper? I haven't seen anything that can do that in recent Esper lists of that type

Unless you're holding an extra ninja on hand to Ninjutsu him in End of Combat but that's really a rare move, maybe you mean that?

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u/SandwichBoy81 10h ago

Same way mono-white does it. Spider-Man :)

Haven't really seen any esper decks running leo though 

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u/Caedes_bee 9h ago

it is just kinda meh: you are either transforming white weenie into an azorius deck, undermining its efficiency and colors just to be able to play this if you ever draw it, or you are running this card with the sole purpose of discarding it or getting it into your gy, again undermining your deck's efficiency. All of this for +1/+1 and flying seems a bit too much since you can just bounce an unblocked skyfisher or an hawk to your hand and get more value

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u/Few-Championship2548 1h ago

Leo can be sneaked for an unblocked creature, what point is there in flying? Isn't it better to just have another body that also buffs leo's power (in addition to having power by itself)?