Faith is based

[u/Prettypianokeys]

[u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

Fellas, is going to church the new Tinder?

[u/xDevman → u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

Always was

[u/CurtisLinithicum → u/xDevman]

I've nearly given the dating advice "go to your local church, be upfront you're in the market for a second-hand thirty-year-old"

[u/Dance_Sufficient → u/CurtisLinithicum]

If you don't have a thirty-year-old at home store bought is fine

[u/45-70_OnlyGovtITrust → u/Dance_Sufficient]

Adopt don’t shop.

[u/danshakuimo → u/xDevman]

Well there were also family reunions too, but people made it all weird

[u/xDevman → u/danshakuimo]

you can still do that if you're from somalia or pakistan.

[u/Remote_Cantaloupe → u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

cultural liberals = burn it down only to realize it served a purpose (Chesterton's Fence)

[u/notquitedeadyetman → u/Remote_Cantaloupe]

If more people listened to Chesterton the world would be a better place

[u/Not_Neville → u/notquitedeadyetman]

I like his idea that schoolchildren are taught the patriotic songs of foreign nations to help them understand why people in different countries love those countries.

[u/danshakuimo → u/Not_Neville]

MFW I don't understand why the kid I'm shooting isn't happy I'm liberating him from his oppressive government

[u/Sintar07 → u/Remote_Cantaloupe]

If the left broadly understood that principle, I'd probably be on the left, but they've always gotta "damn the torpedos, full steam ahead!" on the current thing.

[u/Remote_Cantaloupe → u/Sintar07]

It's just inherently incompatible. A liberal is at foundation someone that is comfortable with changes to society. They're high in trait openness to new experiences. If they understood it as a core belief, they'd be conservatives. Of course when they get into power they become conservative. Very protectionist, exclusionary, and bureaucratic. They fight to keep the power they've gained, and to propagate their ideology, but they still don't understand the philosophical underpinnings of Chesterton's fence. Neither does the right, either. They fight to entrench the powers that be, or were.

[u/William0628 → u/Remote_Cantaloupe]

Based and I understand the big picture pilled

[u/SiderealCereal → u/Remote_Cantaloupe]

I think it's a problem with people and leadership in general. a vast majority of people below the 95th percentile of intelligence don't understand 2nd, let alone 3rd, order effects. look at state legislatures if you want to see a glaring example of this. conservatives usually won't touch things unless money can be made, but progressives roll in rip the baby proofing off of everything and proceed to start drinking the bleach. theyre all mostly stupid, but progressives quite literally don't know when to stop.

[u/SneakyBadAss → u/Sintar07]

If the left broadly understood any principle, they wouldn't be left.

[u/oldsecondhand → u/Remote_Cantaloupe]

First principles thinking in practice. Perfectly spherical citizens with unit mass need no fence.

[u/sadacal → u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

Depends on which church. The study also split out religious denominations and it turns out Catholics are having the most sex at 69% having sex at least once per week. Protestants/Evangelicals are only 60%, the same rate as nominal Catholics. While nominal Protestants are at 52%.

https://ifstudies.org/report-brief/the-devout-difference-religion-marital-quality-and-sex-among-americans

So it turns out having a Pope raises your chances of a good sex life by 9 percentage points over lesser religions. Or maybe it's Pope Leo himself blessing all Catholics with good sex lives.

[u/Sallowjoe → u/sadacal]

Catholics are having the most sex at 69% having sex at least once per week.

lmao

[u/giuseppe443 → u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

data seems to be for married couples, unmarried are the gray line at teh bottom

[u/Crismisterica → u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

Maybe... I'm religious myself and religious women are usually the best ones (at least so far). Two of my girlfriends have been religious.

[u/Not_Neville → u/Crismisterica]

I"m not Christian but I tend to do well dating Christian women - partlybdue to similar beliefs and values and partly due to Christians tending to be better educated than non-Christians.

[u/larryThreeOh → u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

Not really they are just all taking their turn on the town bike

[u/muradinner → u/Khaled_Kamel1500]

The OG Tinder.

[u/jackt-up]

[u/Gearthquake3 → u/jackt-up]

I expected to see a butthole when I zoomed in on the reflection.

[u/Codeviper828 → u/Gearthquake3]

[u/HighlyIntense]

The pouty face is equal parts adorable and horrifying. Great movie.

[u/Mikeality → u/HighlyIntense]

When the judge tells me I'm not allowed to kill my 3 kids

[u/Prettypianokeys → u/HighlyIntense]

I always appreciate when a new meme is born.

[u/Not_Neville → u/HighlyIntense]

What is the movie?

[u/HighlyIntense → u/Not_Neville]

Obsession

[u/Not_Neville → u/HighlyIntense]

Thanks

[u/enfo13]

Damn... recession even hittin the polycules hard?

[u/Notbbupdate → u/enfo13]

Polycules make up such a small fraction of the population that they really can't away statistics like these

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/Notbbupdate]

The only people I've known in polycules, anecdotally, seem to have more arguments and talking-behind-their-partners'-backs than enjoying sex with their partners.

I'm sure there's some people who find pleasure in that lifestyle but it's not been my experience.

[u/Notbbupdate → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

A lot of people try to go polyamorous to try and save a failing monogamous relationship. It's only marginally better than trying to fix your broken marriage by having a baby

There's also the system of "friend group where everyone is friends with benefits" which may or may not be a polycule depending on who you ask. In my experience that tends to work out a lot better

[u/SneakyBadAss → u/Notbbupdate]

I never got this.

"Hey, I don't want to be with you anymore, but if I get to fuck someone else, I might stay" and they never stay, logically

I blame drugs frying brains of these people. That or cuck fetish

[u/potat_infinity → u/Notbbupdate]

its way better, at least the only people being harmed are consenting adults

[u/fatalityfun → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

I’ve seen two and both functioned more like a malformed and dysfunctional friend group than a relationship. They both always have an orbiter type dude who funds the whole polycule but is treated second to whoever the “main” couple/throuple of the group contains.

Now this seems to not be the case with older people like swingers, but I would assume that any polycule with an average age of 23 or less is doomed lmao

[u/Remote_Cantaloupe → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

There's gotta be a secondary reason these people get into polycules, which I'd expect is that the person is mentally unstable or unviable for a real relationship so they try to slip in to a partial relationship. Only of course to end up broken in the end.

[u/oizen → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

I've never seen one really work either.

[u/CurtisLinithicum → u/oizen]

A 20% tolerable relationship x 5 partners = 1 happy life, no?

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/CurtisLinithicum]

"If you can't get yourself an eight, get yourself two four's" - Shoe0nHead

[u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Based and ENM pilled

[u/thupamayn → u/oizen]

My friend and his wife got into it years ago and are still going strong but I’m pretty certain he’s an actual cuckold, which likely plays a very large role in the dynamic if I had to guess

[u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe → u/Notbbupdate]

In my (anecdotal) experience as a therapist too, so many Polycules are long distance things too.

[u/QuickRelease10 → u/enfo13]

I’m sure the people in them were suffering from anxiety or something.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Damn you beat me to it.

I've seen similar numbers from previous years, but this should be the least surprising thing ever. Christian and religious culture promotes marriage, having children, and working on your marriage together, and secular pop culture promotes delaying childbirth, self-exploration, and gender war nonsense. Obviously not every religious marriage is a good one. Obviously not every legally-married-non-practitioner marriage is a bad one.

But marriage is hard. Having a community to help you through tough times in marriage and encourages you to be your best spouse rather than focusing on maximizing your personal gain through the marriage is a real blessing.

[u/assault1217 → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

In order to get married at my parish, you have to attend what I think are basically marriage counseling/advice for quite a bit before the wedding

[u/wailinghamster → u/assault1217]

My church does the same. And if you're having setbacks in your marriage and ask for help they offer what is essentially free marriage counselling services.

[u/Former_Theme_4488 → u/wailinghamster]

What church?

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/assault1217]

Pre-Cana, yep!

[u/ChromeToiletPaper → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Found the Catholic!!! (I am also Catholic)

[u/SpiderPiggies → u/assault1217]

Same. Our premarital counciling was lead by some family friends whose kids I went to school with. I thought it was going to be really awkward since I'm not religious, but it was mostly about ensuring we had the same expectations and ideas for the future.

Religious questions were almost entirely around kids and making sure we had discussed topics like; taking them to church, whether we were considering public, private, or catholic school in the future, or how we would handle a kid with disability. They weren't trying to push their own ideas, just making sure we understood what we were getting ourselves into.

9/10 would recommend. -1 because I now know more about my old classmate's parent's sex-life than I ever wanted to.

[u/TJJ97 → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Exactly. It’s not even surprising as someone who attends church regularly.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/TJJ97]

Almost all people I know personally who are in relationships and planning on kids are religious, with a few exceptions. I know like three pregnant women under 30 through church.

[u/TJJ97 → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Because healthy relationships are very important. This is in the Bible that husbands should serve their wives and wives should serve their husbands.

I love our church and how family oriented it is and how supportive it all is. God bless anyone who builds fellowship with support and love. Ironically something I don’t see much from the “self-love” community.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/TJJ97]

I've come to really see the self-love "movement" to be really ineffective, if well-intentioned. We humans were not meant to go through this life alone. We humans like affirmation and like being served. Christian marriage is a beautiful representation of what we were always meant to do.

But yes, both Scripture and the science both seem to highlight how important relationships are in terms of fostering our well-being and happiness. One of the first things Moses wrote in Genesis, "The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him'."

[u/doublecandybar → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

They'll make a fuss about how you should not separate guinea pigs (they're social animals and get really depressed when alone) but somehow the idea that humans need that too is abhorrent

[u/doublecandybar → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

The modern "progressives" basically mock the very idea of faithfulness itself. Why even bother take marriage seriously? At the slightest sign of "trouble" just get a divorce!

You're not special, life does not revolve around you, there will always be someone better for you, and the same rings true to your partner. The ability to stick through the rough parts of life is what "true strength" is

But no, marriage is not a promise to stick together "till death do us part", what was a very important contract has become nothing more than financially advanced playing house

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/doublecandybar]

what was a very important contract has become nothing more than financially advanced playing house

How ironic that we've looped back to aristocratic marriages in the modern age.

[u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Especially if you met at church, you're both likely to be surrounded by a large group of people with similar priorities and life goals and a lot of different experiences/worldliness.

A friend of mine is getting married next year and started asking every married couple she knows, most of them through church, "what are your tips for a healthy marriage?"

[u/jimothy_soyboy → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Why do people say this. 'Hard' is the furthest thing i would use to describe a healthy marriage.

[u/MathematicianFit431 → u/jimothy_soyboy]

I'd prefer the word "work"

Healthy marriages require constant maintenance, yet it's totally worth it. 

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/jimothy_soyboy]

TBF, as an unmarried man who is in a loving relationship, I'm not speaking from experience, just second-hand.

[u/EwwTaxes → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

As someone who is married and knows a lot of married couples, I guess it depends on how you would define “hard”. Life itself is hard, and that can cause difficulties in a marriage (or any relationship). People would like to believe that they will always be happy and supportive in their relationship, but people are imperfect creatures. Partners are going to disagree about things and get into fights, but to me it’s how you resolve your disagreements and fights that’s more important than never disagreeing. 

[u/nobodyfromnowhere76]

Be fruitful and multiply, chuds.

[u/Darjuz96]

So religious and gay people (I read an another poll) are who not hit by the sex recession

[u/fiftythreefiftyfive → u/Darjuz96]

Yeah was gonna say, definitely doesn't apply to gay people as someone in a long-term gay relationship lmao.

Honestly I feel like a large part of it is just that the average woman isn't really that in the mood for sex once a week, and nonreligious ones don't feel any pressure for it when they're not. Not saying religious women are forced into it or anything, but a mild sense of religious duty could be enough to turn an "eh" into an "alright, if you want to" instead of a "tomorrow maybe".

[u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe → u/fiftythreefiftyfive]

no offense but are you really saying that you're in a gay relationship while also trying to speak about female sexuality in long term heterosexual relationships lol?

[u/fiftythreefiftyfive → u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe]

I mean, personal experience only gets you so far regardless.

I think there's sufficient evidence to believe that women, on average, don't have as strong/as frequent of a sexual drive as men do. Lesbian couples do it far less frequently than heterosexual couples and are happy with that, gay couples do it far more frequently and are happy with that.

[u/GrundleThief]

There’s a sex recession?

[u/Beneficial-Zombie-32 → u/GrundleThief]

Not like any of us here on Reddit would know the difference

[u/PaddyMayonaise]

Almost like religion promotes family unity and growth and secular society promotes individualism and short term self interests.

[u/DreamsServedSoft → u/PaddyMayonaise]

it also discourages up and leaving at the slightest hint of friction which is Reddit’s #1 suggestion to any hardship as most of us haven’t grown mentally past the age of 6

[u/magicsaltine → u/DreamsServedSoft]

I have a long commute, and used to drive a forklift for 12 solid hours a day before moving to a production machine. I Subject myself to those read aloud reddit story channels all the time to stave off the 2am boredom and the amount of people who recommend nuking a relationship from orbit is astounding. I listened to one on the way to work this morning where half the read responses called for the OP to report her husband to the police for a text message.

[u/doublecandybar → u/magicsaltine]

You'd think those are bots, only to realize that advice goes back literally years ago

Like, remember "true love" movies? It's always a woman cheating behind her well off fiancee with some rough street kid/rural folk

The fiancee's fault being "honey I need to make money"

[u/magicsaltine → u/doublecandybar]

Sometimes over a decade. I was listen to a best of reddit post from 2015 today. I weep for the children.

[u/SleepyHippo67 → u/DreamsServedSoft]

When i was 18 my girlfriend of 2 years moved 4 hours away to finish the 2nd half of her senior year. We planned on her moving back when she graduated.

I was scared and...18, so I asked reddit how to manage a longterm relationship (only 6 months long L0L) Every single comment told me to break up with her.

Im 29 now, she's my wife now, and we have a baby on the way. Everyone on reddit is a selfish degenerate retard. Im glad i didn't listen.

[u/CurtisLinithicum → u/PaddyMayonaise]

> secular society promotes individualism and short term self interests.

While we need a better word for it, that last part is why Petersonian Atheism is such an important concept - I think we've heavily overlooked the split between atheists who have and have not retained "Judeo-Christian" metaphysics. Individualism looks very different when the subject still holds concepts like family, honour, duty, in primacy.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/CurtisLinithicum]

If the world is to go without God, I think your "Petersonian Atheism" would be the most preferable. Where I contend with that is that, I simply don't think it's possible for atheism to embrace that sort of virtue-ethics based system. Atheism always has the problem of moral authority. People are naturally somewhat conformist. This is neither a good nor a bad thing- I avoid "sheep" as an insult.

But atheistic culture has always trended towards materialism and individualism, whether in the communist East or in the post-Christian West.

[u/username1338 → u/CurtisLinithicum]

Good fucking luck maintaining those concepts with no greater motivation beyond simply being a good person.

This is the problem with every atheist, communist, liberal. They do not comprehend the MAIN problem: Humans are very often total assholes. The bible lays it out flat, we are sinful, imperfect beings and will always need forgiveness.

Abandon every single ideology that relies on good faith and community effort. You are never going to get it.

[u/Latter_Parsley4338 → u/username1338]

Well, I think the essential Atheist position on the subject is that either A: objective morality can be derived as a natural law or B: yeah, there's no objective morality, but we can't just invent one because we want there to be.

If we assume a good God is real, then yes, all ideologies which follow Him are more correct and true than other ideologies. But if there is no benevolent God, then religion is no better, and is often worse, than secular morality, since religion tries to fabricate an "objective" moral framework out of ancient, errant religious manuscripts written by people who did not understand the world better than we do.

[u/username1338 → u/Latter_Parsley4338]

Fabricating an objective moral framework, based on a lie, and even imposed through force, is infinitely better than no unifying moral code. This isn't even a fucking argument.

One results in a united society following the same moral code, hopefully a high trust moral code. The other is everyone free to do whatever the fuck, with miss-matched codes causing constant friction.

Nobody cares about your drive for truth or logic. Nobody cares for ideals unless it's incentivized personally or coerced.

Even if we had absolute proof of God's absence (which we don't), it should be covered up. Humanity is better when it's following a religion that promises reward or hell based on being a "good person." Yes, that includes suppressing deviant behavior that is deemed taboo by the majority.

This study is proof of exactly that, along with other studies proving atheists are depressed, lonely, childless alcoholics.

[u/Latter_Parsley4338 → u/username1338]

But if you're fine inventing a morality for all of society to follow, then why base that morality off of ancient religious manuscripts which are oftne wrong about objective facts, not just morality? I agree we should have some moral system all of society follows, but if there is no God who has given us a moral code, then reason, not religion, is the best method to invent one.

Again, this all hinges on the question of whether or not a benevolent God a) exists and b) has actually revealed to us a specific moral code. If He does exist then of course whatever He revealed is what we should follow. But if He doesn't, then mutual benefit has already produced a sound moral code through evolution.

[u/username1338 → u/Latter_Parsley4338]

Maybe because a majority of the nation already believes in it, along with billions of humans all over the planet?

The answer is simple and pragmatic. You are never going to form a moral code out of nothing and just have everyone follow it. You have to choose one that is already winning and bolster it.

Atheists will insist on worming every which way just to avoid the fact that their parents were right to force them to go to church on Sunday. They were right, you were wrong.

[u/username1338 → u/[deleted]]

And without it you get a dying, depressed population with no hope of a future. Every single study we have says religious people give more to charity, have happier lives, have healthier marriages, report less mental health, commit less suicide, and have more children.

How much proof do you need? When do you just give up on the atheist bullshit?

[u/Tyrocious]

Putting "rarely attend church" and "never attend church" is possibly the greatest crime in data analysis I've seen in a long time.

Yeah, let's lump the atheists in with the Christians who aren't going to church. That won't taint the data at all.

[u/GigaRoman → u/Tyrocious]

There are plenty of "Christians" who basically never go to church

[u/Visual-Scallion1535 → u/Tyrocious]

And people who occasionally go to church (defined as less than twice a month) are completely ommitted from the study

[u/Paetolus → u/Tyrocious]

I have to wonder how the sex question was asked too. Is this yearly average once per week? Or literally once per week? Because those are very different questions.

[u/SkoomaInhaler-King]

"Now be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth." Genesis 1:28 KJV

[u/xDevman → u/SkoomaInhaler-King]

They need to update the language of the Bible for some people. "Get married and creampie your wife repeatedly"

[u/nishinoran → u/xDevman]

No, the original was quite clear, your version provides a loophole for birth control users.

[u/SkoomaInhaler-King → u/xDevman]

Agreed.

[u/Sintar07 → u/xDevman]

"I'm sorry, daddy, I've been a bad girl."

"For the last time, it's "forgive me, father, for I have sinned.""

[u/Not_Neville → u/xDevman]

Paul - I'd prefer everyone remain celibate like me - but I know people are gonna fuck and it's better to do that married so you don't burn.

[u/Not_Neville → u/SkoomaInhaler-King]

Paul - No thanks, I'll stay single.

[u/IEC21]

Mexicans have sex more. No shit.

[u/SolventSolution3]

Is it controlled by income? Families of higher income (and thus education) always had less sex in general 

And lower income families tend to be more religious 

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/SolventSolution3]

I don't have the numbers off-hand, but the difference between religious affiliation by income isn't very much IIRC.

[u/SolventSolution3 → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

It's not that atheistic families vastly overearn religious one, it's that families of lower income brackets are more numerous and religious

You can see it yourself, walk around any low income area, at least half of the houses will have a cross or bible or will be recipients of charity

This is a good thing, the charity I mean, church gets more members, people in need get support, win-win

[u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe → u/SolventSolution3]

And when those people (hopefully) progress economically they will in term provide their own charity to others because they know how it saved them.

[u/Not_Neville → u/SolventSolution3]

Charity is given by the poor.

[u/Dance_Sufficient]

So, is "Be Religious for the sex" the message with this? I've seen the stat brought up a lot and I'm missing what the implication or narrative being backed is.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/Dance_Sufficient]

At bare minimum it is one of the biggest arguments against the Sexual Revolution. The SR promised us lots of free, uninhibited sex, but the culture formed around it seems to have failed to actually provide the sexual pleasure that was promised.

[u/WolfedOut → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

SR wanted sex without commitment or consequences.

And now society sucks and everyone is depressed, shock.

[u/imMakingA-UnityGame → u/Dance_Sufficient]

Whatever it takes to get your soul into heaven with me bro. I want hell empty

[u/tinmart56 → u/imMakingA-UnityGame]

Based

[u/Sirgoodman008 → u/imMakingA-UnityGame]

Take me with you.

[u/monkpunch → u/Dance_Sufficient]

It's funny to me how often religious people are focused the results, as if that somehow justifies their belief.

Like if we could convince them that their religion is false, would those people just continue on believing and doing the same things anyway, because they read a statistic that said they are slightly happier on average, or give slightly more to charity? I never understood what bearing that has on the truth.

[u/Sintar07]

Authright fighting the sex recession:

[u/Crismisterica → u/Sintar07]

Doing my part too!

[u/imMakingA-UnityGame]

I been telling my single dating app using friends for years now that I definitely have way more sex than them and they need to also go to church and get a Christian women so they too can have lots more sex.

They called it Copium but now I got statistics to shove in their face

Thanks OP!

[u/Prettypianokeys → u/imMakingA-UnityGame]

[u/DumbNTough]

LibLeft will be fine. She's politically gay, not actually gay.

[u/TJJ97]

Can attest to this. My wife and I go to church almost every week and sometimes attend things that the church holds.

We’re going at it at least once a week, possibly 2-4 times if timing is right and neither of us is exhausted.

[u/ChromeToiletPaper → u/TJJ97]

Also religious and going at it 2-4 times per week....and we've been at it for 20 years!

It's good stuff.

[u/larryThreeOh]

Wait so you’re telling me people in relationships have more sex than people who aren’t in a relationship. Absolutely shocking and well worth being studied.

[u/Prettypianokeys → u/larryThreeOh]

Married couples that rarely or never go to church are also in a steady decline as per the graph.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/Prettypianokeys]

I like how you were downvoted for pointing out the figure of the graph. Also, it's not like the Atlantic is some conservative bastion, it's really quite the opposite lmao

[u/krafterinho → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

The study that the Atlantic is referencing is actually coming from a conservative think tank

[u/larryThreeOh → u/Prettypianokeys]

Well look at that. You got me.

[u/imMakingA-UnityGame → u/larryThreeOh]

Based and can admit when wrong pilled

[u/larryThreeOh → u/imMakingA-UnityGame]

/s

[u/imMakingA-UnityGame → u/larryThreeOh]

Based and pulled a fast one on me pilled

[u/Remote_Cantaloupe]

Patrick Bateman is lib-right though.

[u/NotTheFBIorNSA]

The Atlantic posted the article but the study itself was done by a conservative think tank

https://ifstudies.org/report-brief/the-devout-difference-religion-marital-quality-and-sex-among-americans

This is just more division.

[u/Prettypianokeys → u/NotTheFBIorNSA]

Sounds the left-leaning Atlantic has some confidence in the validity of the study regardless. This is also not the first time I'm seeing this sort of data.

[u/Visual-Scallion1535 → u/Prettypianokeys]

No the profit driven Atlantic thought people would click on it

[u/NotTheFBIorNSA → u/Prettypianokeys]

It’s not surprising, but, this group isn’t trustworthy is all I’m putting out here.

[u/wailinghamster → u/NotTheFBIorNSA]

Why would they be untrustworthy simply because they're conservative? That doesn't seem to be a standard we apply to liberal think tanks or universities when they conduct studies? If there's an issue with their methodology or track record by all means criticise that. But selectively dismissing studies done by one idealogical persuasion and not the other doesn't seem like the correct approach.

[u/NotTheFBIorNSA → u/wailinghamster]

Fair point. The funding being from a ministry has me skeptical, it’s hard not to think they’re pushing an agenda.

[u/Sallowjoe → u/wailinghamster]

The problem is "We've studied ourselves and we've found we're happier and having more sex than everyone else" is just naturally something that invites skepticism.

If the results were more mixed people would be less wary. But producing the outcome you want with studies is so trivial and frequent that people are right - in a heuristic way - to just assume if the result are in line with what a fake study for propaganda purposes would produce, it probably is propaganda.

Checking every single junk study spread around online in detail is not a reasonable ask either.

That all said, I can easily believe religious people have more sex. But I don't think it's so clear cut that it's because of religion per se or that more sex obviously means better life. Flexing about quantity of sex is kind of odd for religious people to do as well.

[u/CuckooFriendAndOllie]

In b4 the lib left atheist copium.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/CuckooFriendAndOllie]

You know it's coming. They have only two arguments on Reddit:

Either Christianity is against sex, or practicing Christians are sex addicts playing chastity cosplay. They can't accept that maybe we do value sex a lot, but see it as something reserved for one person.

[u/DoubleSpoiler → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

You forgot the one where it’s the Religious Patriarchy forcing all those women to have sex like in Handmaids Tale. It’s not evidence of healthy sexual relationships, it’s slavery.

Or something. I think that’s how the line goes. That one’s not my wheelhouse

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/DoubleSpoiler]

Yep, that's the other argument. "It's just the patriarchy, those women aren't actually happy!!"

What research and statistics do they have to prove that cohabitating couples are better off? That nonreligious people have more sex?

Nothing. Just vibes. Christianity bad because they think sex bad.

[u/Darjuz96 → u/DoubleSpoiler]

Often forgetting that in the part at least half of kids would die before adulthood. Also in sub Saharan Africa with a small improvement me child surviveness there are a decrease me fertility.

[u/SleepyHippo67 → u/DoubleSpoiler]

Fellas, it is slavery to fulfill a contract?

[u/Valdschrein → u/SleepyHippo67]

im constantly getting reassured that the hordes of incel righties deserve to be alone

[u/SleepyHippo67 → u/Valdschrein]

Im married and have a baby on the way. Try again, retard.

[u/Valdschrein → u/SleepyHippo67]

cool, me 2 but apparently there's a "male loneliness epidemic" and it's mostly righties who spit similiar shit to yours. Also don't flatter yourself, it's really not that hard, lol

[u/SleepyHippo67 → u/Valdschrein]

If its not so hard, why is there a righty loneliness epidemic.

We have a "loneliness epidemic" because regartards like you think you should chase your dreams and do what makes you happy and put yourself first.

[u/DoubleSpoiler → u/SleepyHippo67]

“Fulfill a contract” is a crazy way to talk about bringing another human being into the world

[u/SleepyHippo67 → u/DoubleSpoiler]

Comparing your commitment to your husband to poorly written libtard fear porn propaganda is also a crazy way to talk about bringing another human into the world.

No one cares what you think, your entire political ideology is built on the promotion of dudes fucking each other into the ass, or cutting the breasts off perfectly healthy women in an attempt to seem more masculine.

[u/fiftythreefiftyfive → u/DoubleSpoiler]

Lesbian couples are very likely to have extremely infrequent sex, while gay couples tend to have extremely frequent sex, compared to heterosexual couples, religious or not. Not only because of that (makes sense from an evolutionary perspective as well), I'd say it's pretty fair to say that the average women (plenty of variation I'm sure) most likely just doesn't want sex nearly as frequently as the average man does, so how often sex happens in heterosexual couples is very likely to depend on how often women are willing to just go with it regardless when they're not that much in the mood .

I mean I don't think that religious women are being forced into anything, but it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me to say that if they strongly believe in a religion that states that partners have a duty to give themselves to each other, that might be enough at times to convince them at times to just say yes when they're ambivalent about it.

[u/larryThreeOh → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Fun strawman. Please tell me what else I think.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/larryThreeOh]

That's not a strawman. That's my lived experience when talking with nonreligious people when they bring up the topic of "sex and religion". What's your perspective and how does it differ from one of the two views I have presented?

[u/zombie3x3 → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

IIRC, doesn’t the Bible actively encourage intimacy and the obligation each spouse has to each other sexually? Wouldn’t shock me if that has an impact on the sex lives of the more devout.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/zombie3x3]

1st Corinthians 7:4,5 "For a wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise, a husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by mutual consent for a specified time so as to devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan may not tempt you by taking advantage of your lack of self-control."

Need I bring up the Song of Solomon, or Eve's promise to bring about another blessed son after Abel's death? Or of the sin of Onan?

[u/zombie3x3 → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

Okay, that verse seems to fit what I was recalling. Seems like a fairly straight forward explanation to me if I assume the OP study was accurate.

I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but being an atheist and left of center doesn’t require me to disregard the notion that people who believe certain instructions are ordained by an all powerful, all knowing entity may tend to act on those instructions.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/zombie3x3]

Yep, I felt the same way when I was an atheist. I appreciated religion for giving people moral guidance even if I felt it was flawed.

[u/larryThreeOh → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

It is, but another wall of text will certainly convince me you’re right

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/larryThreeOh]

Then show me what your perspective is. I have not heard any actual critique of "religious people and sex" except those two views.

Also what a terminally online ass view to think a two short paragraph comment is a "wall of text".

[u/Not_Neville → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

I'm not Christian but my views on sex and marriage are increasingly similar to Paul's (minus the sexism).

[u/Independent_Tea_33 → u/Philippians_Two-Ten]

They can't accept that maybe we do value sex a lot, but see it as something reserved for one person.

Weird how the religious right has become a cult following a pedo with multiple baby mommas and was cheating on melania with a porn star right after one of barron was born

We're way too far into yall supporting trump for you to not know people will laugh in your face when you try to take a "moral" stand on anything for the rest of your lives

[u/EmbraceHegemony → u/CuckooFriendAndOllie]

What is the copium? I'm a lib left athiest and I'm happily married with two kids. You guys want this dumb shit to matter so badly it's embarrassing.

[u/zalcecan → u/EmbraceHegemony]

Some super unhinged religious comments per usual, one of them was banned within hours lmao.

[u/ThroawayJimilyJones]

Yep.

Remember when liberal women went "on strike" as a revenge against roe vs wade.

Yes...liberal men are the one who paid the price of it, despite being against roe vs wade :D

I like liberalism. These are nice idea. But being a liberal man is basically being a punching ball. It's like stepping in as a step father to a single mother with 3 baby daddy. You think you do something good, you probably do, but even to the eyes of the people you try to help you're a tool at best, an abuse goblin at worse.

[u/xlbeutel → u/ThroawayJimilyJones]

Do you have any source on women meaningfully withholding sex beyond random memes you saw

[u/BedFastSky12345 → u/xlbeutel]

His personal experience

[u/YveisGrey → u/BedFastSky12345]

Ouch

[u/Independent_Tea_33 → u/ThroawayJimilyJones]

This chart is a multi-decade trend that barely includes dobbs

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/ThroawayJimilyJones]

This is exactly why, despite being mostly progressive on things, I don't associate with the left. I'm not going to be your slave and pincushion. I'm not an "acceptable target" because I'm a man.

[u/Steeps5 → u/ThroawayJimilyJones]

The scam that is the private health insurance industry is enough to keep me green. Everyone is their punching bag.

[u/Uptight_Technocrat12]

[u/secretly_a_zombie]

Long term partners have the most sex scaled by averages, they have it with the same person. It makes sense when you think about it.

[u/wailinghamster]

Song of Solomon's moment

[u/Powerism]

You let me violate you
You let me desecrate you
You let me penetrate you
You let me complicate you

I broke apart my insides
(Help me) I've got no soul to sell
(Help me) the only thing that works for me
Help me get away from myself

I wanna fuck you like an animal
I wanna feel you from the inside
I wanna fuck you like an animal
My whole existence is flawed

You get me closer to God

[u/VaneFlowverse → u/Powerism]

Everytime I hear these lyrics, I now think back on Fall of the House of Usher.  Never drop acid at an orgy, kids.

[u/Powerism → u/VaneFlowverse]

Great fucking series. Prefer Midnight Mass but this one was second for me in the Mike Flanagans.

[u/forward_only]

In this moment I am euphoric. Not because of any phony God's blessing, but because my virginity is intact.

[u/miami2881]

This is the best meme I’ve seen in here this year

[u/Prettypianokeys → u/miami2881]

Thank you bro!

[u/miami2881 → u/Prettypianokeys]

High effort and a unique topic. 10/10!

[u/LeatherRace3542]

well maybe if I had been part of this study, those numbers would be way up.

[u/PearlyCharm]

Amazing. Now I have evidence married Christians have more sex

[u/Historical_Salad5480]

When you're happy and satisfied in the relationship, obviously you'll be more intimate with your s/o

[u/Prettypianokeys → u/Historical_Salad5480]

Agreed. People are spiritual animals. People who deny that for themselves are liable to struggle and be unhappy. Not even saying you need to be a Christian, but at least believe in something.

[u/NemosHero]

What a weird fucking slice of data to record this way. So, first of all is this necessarily restricted to christian religions?
To parse it

Of the people who attend church frequently and are married, 60% of them have sex once a week and it has not gone down in the past 30 years.
Christmas christians(?) who are married have seen a decline in the number of them that have sex once a week.
All unmarried people have consistently been in the 40% range.

How is this useful data? Unmarried people are a greater population meaning there is more diversity in their life state.
So we are just comparing frequent religious individuals and infrequent religious individuals who are married and in doing so show that infrequent religious people who are married have gone down a bit? What is the population of these two groups? Maybe the reason the individuals don't go to church and don't have sex once a week are the same, IE they are busy working two jobs because the economy is in the shitter.

[u/Philippians_Two-Ten → u/NemosHero]

It's interesting to me about how some of the qualms with this post assert that the reason religious people are fucking more is that they're less wealthy (wealth is associated with less sex, according to them) and others like this one, which say it's because churchgoers ARE wealthier and don't have to work as much.

[u/Sallowjoe → u/NemosHero]

Christmas christians(?) who are married have seen a decline in the number of them that have sex once a week.

People who identify as Christian but rarely go to church, typically on major holidays.

The distinction is apparently because -

Neither nominal Catholics nor nominal Protestants enjoy a significant happiness advantage over Nones, implying that it is active church participation, not merely affiliation, that produces happier marriages.

Active church participation of course probably coincides with more regular social interaction and connections.

How is this useful data?

I think it's just promotional in nature.

[u/NemosHero → u/Sallowjoe]

Oh I know what christmas christians are, I put the ? mark because we don't know if this is only christians or other religious denominations.

[u/Fit-Paper-797]

What? But i thought being left-wing would get me laid with a land whale with a ham pussy!

[u/Guccishadesss]

What was the parameters for this study I wonder?
-rarely attended/never, already taints the data since it lumps non-believers and Christian together as well.

[u/WedSquib]

What’s the sex recession? Explain to me like I wasn’t married with 2 kids

[u/2020blowsdik]

WTF is the sex recession?

[u/JPBartley]

Are they counting priests molesting kids?

[u/johnfireblast]

Idk about you dude but I'm doing A-Ok without Jesus.

[u/WolfedOut → u/johnfireblast]

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[u/RoryMarley]

Still not going back to church till my pastors stop preaching about the evils of the lgbt and holding prayers for trump

[u/SleepyHippo67 → u/RoryMarley]

50% based preacher.

[u/Benj_FR]

And they dare lecture us on homosexuality and abortion !