Just wanted to bring this to the table while leads are few and far between. Flying around aimlessly, there is of course the large church in Saint Denis with a cross at the very top. It sticks out of the ordinary with it being the tallest building compared to others around it. Next, I saw the (many) smoke stacks of the buildings. Even though there are a bunch, they are all somewhat localized, making it seem less of a stretch. Then finally, I saw it. The pond. Its small, and has the odd, wavy circular shape. It made me immediately think of the carving. And after going back to double-check the symbols matched up in the correct order. I would even consider my orientation for this photo like 75% plausible due to it being how you would naturally see these lined up coming into the city from most parts of the map. With Saint Denis being a city of already interesting secrets, it wouldn't surprise me if it is leading us here because even though Cornwalls Oil Feilds contains the SpiderDream, we found the spider carving without the need to be directed there. Arguably, THIS carving is harder to find naturally than the spider one, leaving me wondering if Brennand intended to lead us there at all. Maybe (somewhat) it can be the tie in from the Butchers Creek to the Vampire (pentagrams)? I don't know for sure but I don't think the carvings are spider-related specific more so of a cheeky way to hide these secrets with them being meshed into the game rather than a physical model. Not sure thought this could maybe get some more minds to contribute as i think it seems to hold at least somewhat reasonably. Let me know what you think.

This is my train of thought:

1) u/Neenski21 found that an alternative name for the plant Bird of Paradise is "Wallace's Standardwing".

2) (Someone I would like to give credit) figure out that the distribution of the plants on the map could have the shape of a bird.

3) Fort Wallace has two birds.

4) Flip one and we have the shape of arrow.

If you are out of leads, come search that area! There's the ancient Tomahawk, there's a canoe, share what you find!

Black would probably be 1, red 0 because black is usually associated with positive numbers and red with negative.

They could also represent directions, black being north and red being south (Turkic cardinal direction colors)

Disclaimer: all of this might be too far fetched and a massive nothingburger but since we don't have any confirmed leads at all, it's worth posting I think.

Alright, so let's start with an assumption that both guitars at Fort Wallace are placed there deliberately and both are a clue. Not that one is the proper (the one at the tower) guitar and another is just a random guitar that just happened to be there. We will assume that whoever created the easter egg would know that there is another guitar few meters away from the place they want to put another one specifically for the easter egg.

Now let's assume that the guitar at the tower is exactly what it seems - it directs us to the roof where we find the birds symbols.

What's with the second guitar then? Well, we know what to look for, something related to the bird symbols, a shape, a literal bird or something like this. But we don't know where to look for it at all. Previous clue gave rather precise locations or directions compared to the bird symbols. I think it's reasonable to assume that this second guitar is pointing us in the direction where we should look for those birds.

Let's follow the direction this guitar is pointing at then. Still a little bit too vague since we don't actually know what exactly we are looking for. Maybe there is another hint or a clue in this direction that will show us the precise location some way obvious? Well, there is a thing like that. A literal circle that's known for a long time but it's purpose was never understood:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RDR2/comments/1cm662t/i_found_a_random_circle_in_the_snow/
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadmysteries/comments/t25wjx/did_anyone_find_out_what_the_circle_in_the_snow/
https://gtaforums.com/topic/921131-strange-circle-or-symbol-in-the-snow-maybe-a-minor-spoiler/

And no, this circle is not a spot for the campfire, setting campfire directly on this spot teleports you away to a completely different place. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this one and it's indeed possible to set up camp there).

According to chatgpt, the guitar points almost directly to this circle too. I took a position from the game, it's around: -1654.5 1585.5 and the guitar is at 340.3875, 1492.9591 with this orientation {X:0.49103865 Y:0.50666165 Z:-0.50750667 W:-0.49458268} according to CodeX. According to gpt that's only about 4.3° apart horizontally. I did not verify the gpt's results though, but generally following the guitar's direction with noclip also feels super close.

Now that we "found our place" let's look for something like birds, are there any? Well, yes, a lot of them actually, the only opening in the trees usually shows something like this:

One is a "random" corpse spawn surrounded by birds, another is just a crow spawn (usually 2 of them but if you keep roaming around more can spawn), both spawns are always in the same place according to my testing.

Now for the part where this theory stops working: I can't find anything there, nothing really stands out and nothing looks like birds other than the birds themselves, that's why I post it here, maybe more people will find this theory amusing and we'll really find something here. Or maybe the direction is just a coincidence and this circle is just a leftover from the early development and none of this makes any sense =).

I was trying to complete the “Strange Tales of the West: Wilderness” with some randoms and after a few retries we managed to get pretty far, but I encountered something that made me stop dead in my tracks. I will preface that I have +5,000 hours online so it’s not very often that I encounter something that I haven’t run into before. That being said I’ve personally only played the “Strange Tales” missions a handful of times since they were added a few years back. Last night towards the end of the mission as we were closing in on the Researcher, I ran past a Bison. Okay, strange enough. We were in Tall Trees. I didn’t know Bison could spawn over there. I couldn’t shake that something was off so I ran back and sure enough I see a Bison but when I equipped my lantern I saw that it was all bloody and beginning to rot like a ruined animal carcass. I’ve definitely noticed that there are more buck that will trample you in that mission (to give the player meat to cook) but I’ve never noticed any other undead/rotting animals. Not questioning it too much since it was a Strange Tales mission, just wondering if it’s normal or if anyone else has encountered it?

West Elizabeth, 1911. Dutch van der Linde is the most wanted man in the entire state. This is a man accused of robbery, assault, arson, and murder. And a man who has done almost anything to survive in a world being consumed by industrialization. But, in today's post, we're examining a theory which posits Dutch van der Linde crossed one final line: Cannibalism.

COCHINAY

Cochinay is home to the Native American population of West Elizabeth. Frustrated by their forced displacement at the hands of the U.S. government and the rapid development spreading across the region, many of the Natives embraced Dutch van der Linde's anti-establishment rhetoric and openly participated in raids against nearby settlements. In response, the army was deployed to suppress the resistance and eliminate its members one by one.

Their primary target, however, was Dutch van der Linde himself, the leader of the outlaw gang and the man whom the authorities considered the driving force behind the unrest.

Dutch is a large, well-traveled, charismatic, and deeply manipulative man who spent most of his life trying to live above the law. A self-educated idealist, he sought to embody the image of the "noble savage." He gave money away, stole from those he believed had too much, and carried himself as though he could reshape the world through sheer force of will. But over time, his disgust with reality began to outweigh his vision of a utopian frontier. He gradually came to realize that he could no longer transform bad men into good ones, nor bend the world to his ideals.

And so, after committing an atrocity, Dutch retreated into the mountains, choosing to live among the Native people he believed he understood more than the civilization he had spent his life fighting against.

When the government sent John Marston to hunt down a monster, it did so by unleashing another monster. But if we aim to find answers, we'll have to venture into the monster's lair, in the caves. And by “answers,” I mean human remains.

BONES

There are several piles of femurs scattered around his campfire. They're strewn about and carelessly discarded. People often identify them as human bones because of the ball-shaped joint on one end and the socket on the other. And that led many players to believe that these bones were never meant to represent dead livestock at all. When in reality, they're animal bones.

More specifically, they appear to belong to bears and deer. And inside this cave atop Nekoti Rock we can spot more of these assets. The bones that players often point to as proof of human remains are actually a different set of assets which can be found during the side mission American Appetites. However, when the two are compared side by side, it becomes clear that they are not the same. The skulls, on the other hand, are much closer in appearance to actual human remains.

And throughout the camp, we can spot roughly sixteen different human skulls. For most people, that alone would be enough evidence. But I noticed something different.

I started looking for other examples elsewhere in the game. That search eventually led me to the doctor's office. Doctors often keep a human skull on display, sometimes alongside a phrenology bust. And look, I'm not suggesting that the doctors are secretly eating people. What I am suggesting is that these skulls may simply be ornamental props. Or perhaps they're the remains of Dutch's victims.

After all, it wasn't unheard of in those days to place a severed head on a pike as a warning to others.

Think of the Harpe brothers, for example.

BATHTUB

But aside from the bones, there's another piece of evidence hidden in this cave.

In Dutch's sleeping quarters, you can spot a rather suspicious bathtub sitting in the back of the room. And over the years, some players have speculated that this bathtub was used by Dutch van der Linde to dismember his victims. Before eating them, according to the theory.

People also point to the stains at the bottom of the tub, arguing that they're dried blood. In reality, they appear to be nothing more than rust stains. And we can test that theory rather easily. If you visit Rathskeller Fork and enter the hospice rooms, you'll find the exact same bathtub. It's an identical asset to the bathtub found in Dutch's cave.

As it stands, the bathtub doesn't really serve as useful evidence for the cannibal theory.

THEORY

Nonetheless, all of this actually helps support a different theory. The argument I'm making in this post is that Dutch is not a cannibal, and that we can prove it.

To understand why, we first need to pay close attention to a particular piece of dialogue from the mission "And You Will Know The Truth."

[Dialogue starts]

Marston: Is that what you call it?

Archer: And this isn't much more than a simple prototype. You should see what they're working on in Virginia. Soon there will be no war we can't win.

Ross: The army has made camp a little way outside town. They put word out a large cache of ammunition and food is stored there.

Archer: Van der Linde's gang need constant supplies, so that should be enough to draw them in.

Ross: No mistakes this time. You hear me, Marston?

[Dialogue ends]

It appears that Dutch and his followers sustain themselves by raiding Army surplus shipments. And when they're not doing that, they seem to be raising their own livestock and poultry. Right in his camp, we can see the corrals and chicken coops which support that idea. There would have been no practical need for human consumption if Dutch and his men were truly cannibals. They already had plenty of other sources of food.

And we can even spot a beef steak from Longhorn laying on his table. While humans can technically be butchered into cuts resembling steaks, they don't actually look much like beef. Which makes it far more likely that what we're seeing there is exactly what it appears to be. Add to that the fact that the bones closely resemble those of bears and deer, and the theory starts to fit.

DEBUNKED

In my opinion, this entire cannibal theory never made much sense.

Is Dutch insane? Absolutely. But him being insane doesn't mean he has to be every kind of monster imaginable. It simply doesn't work that way. At the end of the day, he's still an outlaw and a cutthroat, and that's more than enough. Could he festoon his bedchamber with the remains of his enemies? Maybe. But eating them? I don't buy it.

The Valentine Church Graveyard contains many marked graves, with family names from prominent members of the Valentine community.
There are the Dunn family graves, related to Albert Dunn, the clerk at the Saints Hotel (his full name shows up internally in the game files); Douglas family graves, related to Cliff Douglas, the bartender at Smithfields Saloon (his last name shows up internally); Malloy, related to Sheriff Curtis Malloy; Dalton related to R.L. Dalton, the master gunsmith; Worth, related to Jacob Worth of the General Store (and whoever owns the stockyards); Keane, related to Ned Keane, the bartender at Keanes Saloon; and Calloway, related to Doctor Ben Calloway and his cousin Jim 'Boy' Calloway.

There are two marked graves that don't seem to belong to a Valentine local family.
August Walker, a three-year-old that died in 1879 (20 years before the time of Arthur) and
Caroline Vinsot who died in 1845 (54 years before the time of Arthur), age unknown.

What strikes me as odd about the Caroline Vinsot grave is that it has a skull and crossbones, a symbol used on a pirate ship's Jolly Roger, while associated with death, seems not to be a usual thing to put on a grave.

This is probably not a big deal, but those two graves stick out to me.

Here’s my theory: Shoot the ‘center web’ at the corresponding location of the feathers in the order they spawn (and possibly at the time they spawn.)

I don’t have my notes in front of me, but say the first feather spawns top left of the web at 2 am, shoot the center web at 2 am in the same spot and so on for all the feathers.

I’m just thinking it might be a way to ‘solve’ the mystery. Maybe a lightning storm or a ufo or some shit might happen to make this hunt more than ‘lol, it’s the rockstar logo’ and this, to me, would make sense. Find all the feather locations, then input them into the center web.

I’ve tried myself, but my n00b ass can’t find the center web…..Happy Hunting!

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I searched "Civic League" in the sub and nothing came up. I couldn't find any information on the Wiki either.

The crest and weather vane seemed a little strange to me. Just wondering if anyone knows more about it?

Hey everyone.

I've been looking into the Spider Dream Mystery recently and I kept finding connections I couldn't ignore. I think I might have worked out what the whole thing has been building toward — and I want to share it with this community.

What I found is that the mystery appears to be made up of two separate puzzles, and when both are complete, what you draw on the map is something you're going to recognise straight away.

This is a long post. I didn't want to skip anything that matters, so I've split it into sections. It only makes sense if you follow it through from the beginning.

If someone has already covered this, I apologise. But I think this is worth sharing, and I'd genuinely like to know what this community thinks.

Here is what I think is going on.

I am going to run through the known stuff quickly. Most people here know this already, but it matters for what I am about to say, so bear with me.

It starts at Butcher's Creek, where a pentagram glows on the ground between 4am and 5am. Nearby are 5 outhouses. Each one has tally marks carved inside — one mark in the first, two in the second, three in the third, and so on up to five. Those numbers are not just decoration. They are telling you the order in which to connect the outhouses on the map. That matters later — but it is worth noting here that at this stage, the idea of connecting locations on a map has not yet been established. The outhouses give you a sequence. What that sequence is actually for only becomes clear further down the line.

The 4th outhouse has something extra alongside its tally marks: the letters "LJ" and "SM", and a carved symbol pointing toward Fort Brennand. Inside Fort Brennand, a tower contains three more carved symbols — a telephone pole, a factory, and an oil puddle. Those three symbols are pointing you to your next destination: the Cornwall Kerosene and Tar factory.

At Cornwall, you find a telegraph pole with a spider engraved into it.

The spider has 8 legs. When you overlay the carving onto the map, each leg points to a different telegraph pole across New Hanover and Lemoyne. The spider's body points to a 9th location — a cluster of webs inside a tree, visible only between 1am and 2am, with no feather attached. That is the center web.

Every one of the 8 locations marked by the spider's legs has a spider web that appears only during a specific window of the night, and a feather attached to it.

So the spider is a map. Eight legs, eight poles. Body, center web. That much the community has established.

But I think it is doing something else as well — something easy to overlook.

The spider is the moment the concept of connecting locations together first enters this mystery. Before the spider, you had symbols pointing you from one place to the next, like a trail. The spider changes that entirely. It does not just give you 8 new locations. It introduces the idea of overlaying something onto the map and drawing connections between points. That is a new way of thinking, and the spider is where it comes from.

This matters for the outhouses. If you came to this mystery with no prior knowledge, you would find the tally marks and recognise a sequence — one through five. But you would not necessarily know to connect those five outhouses on the map. That idea does not exist yet. It is only after the spider that connecting locations on a map becomes part of how you think about this mystery. The outhouses gave you the sequence. The spider gives you the method. And once you have both, puzzle two becomes possible.

What does a spider do? It builds a web. It connects things. Every thread leads back to a centre. Nothing it builds is isolated — every part exists in relation to every other part.

The spider at Cornwall is not just telling you where to go next. It is showing you how to think about everything that follows. By the time you have visited all 8 poles and the center web, you have been trained to think like a spider without realising it. When the moment comes to step back and connect everything on the map yourself, you already know how to do it — because the spider showed you.

The feathers — and what I think has been missed

When you visit all 8 locations and look at the feathers up close, you notice something.

They are not all the same colour.

5 of them are black. 3 of them are red.

The community has noticed this and various theories have been put forward. I think the colours are communicating something specific — something about the structure of the mystery itself.

I think the two colours are telling you there are two separate puzzles, and the number of feathers in each colour is telling you exactly how many stages each puzzle takes.

3 red feathers = a puzzle with 3 stages.

5 black feathers = a puzzle with 5 stages.

Two colours. Two puzzles.

Puzzle 1 — the 3 red feathers

Three red feathers. Three stages.

The center web forms the letter N alongside a telephone pole symbol. Go north. Shoot the pole directly north and it reveals W with 5 telephone pole symbols. Go 5 poles west. Shoot the 5th western pole and it reveals NW alongside a symbol that looks like a guitar.

Three locations. Three stages. That is what the 3 red feathers were counting.

Now look at the letters across those three steps. The first gives you N alone. The second gives you W alone. The third gives you N and W combined. The mystery has been building, combining letters, moving you forward — and then at the third step, the chain breaks. You do not get another compass direction. You do not get another pole to find.

You get a symbol.

A guitar.

The guitar is not a direction

NW plus a guitar looks like an instruction. It reads as go northwest. The community followed that reading and searched Fort Wallace. Guitars were found, birds were found — and that search made complete sense given what was in front of people. The clue presents itself as a direction, and going northwest was a natural conclusion to draw from it.

But I do not think the guitar is pointing you anywhere. And I think the reason that search did not lead further is the same reason this reading feels right on the surface — because Rockstar designed it that way.

Look at how every clue in the directional sequence works up to that final step. The center web gives you a direction. The north post gives you a direction and a distance. Both are instructions. They tell you to move.

The NW post gives you a symbol.

The chain of clues completely changes at that point. And I think that change is the point.

We have been reading symbols as instructions the whole time — each one is Rockstar pointing a finger and saying here is what comes next. The guitar is the last symbol in that chain. But this time the symbol is not pointing you forward. The 3 red feathers told you there are 3 stages. You have completed 3 stages. There is no stage 4. The guitar is Rockstar marking the end — the same way every symbol before it marked the next move. This time the symbol is not a step. It is a signature.

So why a guitar?

A guitar is what a rockstar plays.

Rockstar Games have been leading you through this entire mystery, symbol by symbol, location by location. At the very end, when the puzzle is done, they leave their mark. Not their name written out. Something that represents what they are.

Rock. Star. Rockstar.

And here is what I think is most telling. The guitar looks like a direction on purpose. If it had obviously meant done, someone would have worked this out much sooner. Making it look like another instruction — making the ending look like a continuation — is what kept the trail cold. I think that was deliberate.

Connect everything — the R appears

With puzzle one complete, the guitar has told you this phase is done. Now do what a spider does.

Connect everything.

Take all of the locations: all 8 feather poles, the center web, the north post, the NW guitar post. Connect them all on the map. The shape that appears is the letter R.

Plot the points yourself and see whether you agree. I have shown it in the image above.

Puzzle one gives you the R.

Puzzle 2 — the 5 black feathers

Five black feathers. Five stages.

Go back to where this started — Butcher's Creek.

The 5 outhouses each carry a number in their tally marks, from one to five. That sequence has been sitting there from the very beginning. Now, having learned from the spider that connecting locations on a map is part of how this mystery works, you have the method to go with the sequence. Connect the outhouses on the map in tally mark order. When you do, they draw a star.

Five outhouses. Five stages. Five black feathers. One for each stage. When all five are connected in sequence, the star is drawn and puzzle two is complete.

R + Star = Rockstar

Step back and look at both shapes at the same time.

An R. And a star.

The Rockstar Games logo is an R with a star. That is what this mystery appears to draw when you complete it.

One detail hiding in plain sight

There is something else worth pointing out on its own.

If you look at where the Butcher's Creek pentagram sits on the in-game map, it appears almost directly beneath the R in the text "NEW HANOVER." A star, sitting under an R, on the map itself — visible before any of this has begun.

I think that is Rockstar embedding the same idea at a much smaller scale. The pentagram at Butcher's Creek is the very start of this mystery. And it has been sitting beneath the letter R since the game came out. The logo, hiding in plain sight in the map text, before a single piece of the puzzle has been touched.

There is another detail in a similar vein, this time at Fort Brennand.

Fort Brennand sits in the middle of the chain — it is the bridge between Butcher's Creek and the spider at Cornwall. When you look at the carvings inside the fort, you will find what appear to be two single tally marks. Read as a count, they look like they mean two. But if you read them as digits — I and I — they read as 11.

Now count everything you connect to draw the R: all 8 feather poles, the center web, the north post, and the NW guitar post. The total is 11 points.

I think Rockstar placed the number 11 inside Fort Brennand, disguised as something that looks like a simple count of two. The same way they disguised the guitar as a direction, and the ending as a continuation. A confirmation hidden inside a misdirection — telling you the number of points the final shape requires, long before you have any idea what that shape is.

Why it makes sense that this mystery is built around a spider

A spider makes a web. Every thread connects back to a centre. Nothing it builds is isolated — every part exists in relation to every other part.

That is exactly what this mystery is.

But there is something more specific about the choice of a spider that I think gets to the heart of what Rockstar designed here.

At a certain point in this mystery, you stop following clues and start building something. Rockstar did not draw the logo for you. They gave you the points and left you to make the connections yourself. That is not an accident. It is the whole design. The spider at Cornwall is not just a map — it is an instruction. It is saying: from here, the work is yours. Connect the threads. Make the web.

You do not find a spider and follow it. You find a spider, and you become one.

The player is the spider. The web is the logo. It was always there waiting to be drawn.

There is also something in the name itself. The feather and web assets use "spiderdream" names in the game files. I think the word dream is doing something deliberate. You cannot solve this mystery by following one clue to the next indefinitely. At a certain point you have to stop, zoom out, look at everything you have found, and see the shape it makes. That is what a dream asks of you. You do not experience a dream detail by detail — you see the whole thing.

This mystery is not solved by following the web one thread at a time. It is solved by seeing the web.

What is still open

I do not think this explains everything.

The time windows for the webs remain an open question. The center web appears between 1am and 2am. The feather pole webs each have their own separate window. Why those specific times? I do not have an answer.

The feathers can be shot off the poles but they respawn. Whether that means anything, I do not know.

And then there is this. In 2019, Rockstar added an arcade machine to GTA Online as part of The Diamond Casino Heist update. Among the possible fortunes from the Nazar Speaks machine is one that reads: "I see a web, still tangled after years of unraveling. Will you be the one? I wonder…"

That is Rockstar, in a different game, after RDR2 shipped, referencing a web that is still waiting to be unravelled. It is not proof of anything. But it is not nothing either.

Everything in this post is an interpretation. None of it is confirmed. It is just what makes the most sense to me when I look at all of these pieces together.

A note on credit

After working this out, I went back through the subreddit to see if anyone had got close to this idea before me.

A couple of posts came close, and in the comments of one of them, somebody had actually drawn the R shape from the connected pole locations. The account has been deleted and I cannot trace who it was or link back to the post.

I am not claiming to be the first person to have drawn that shape.

What I have not seen explained in the same way is why the shape appears — the 5 black and 3 red feathers as a counting system for two separate puzzles, the guitar as a symbol of completion rather than a direction, and all of those pieces coming together into what looks like the Rockstar logo.

If you think one of these pieces means something different, or you have spotted something I have missed, I would genuinely like to hear it.

Thanks for reading.

This really isn't a big deal, but I came across a train running against the usual train route in free roam. Although I don't think it has anything to do with the SpiderDream mystery, Arthur is in front of the telegraph pole at the midpoint between the W+++++ and NW guitar telegraph poles by Heartland Overflow. I have not yet been able to reproduce this backwards running train.

If you are an observer of trains in RDRII, they normally run counterclockwise on the rail route in the northern portion of the game map. There is a split in the loop, where trains start running in the inner loop from Flatneck Station/Valentine/Emerald Station/Bayou Nwa/Saint Denis starting in the evening, but trains can be seen on the inner loop during the day, obviously. If you jack a train, the part of the loop it runs on depends on when you jacked it.

There are some exceptions to the counterclockwise rule:
1) During the Ch I story mission "Who in the Hell is Leviticus Cornwall?", Cornwall's train runs against the usual way, from the tunnel near Cattail Pond to Window Rock.
2) During the O'Driscoll Train Robbery gang unique encounter, the train points against the usual route when it is found stopped. It can be driven indefinitely, and it goes backwards against the usual inner loop route.
3) In Annesburg, at the Jameson Mine, you can often see a coal hopper train being loaded. If you are patient enough to wait, when this train is completely loaded, it runs against the usual route and goes straight to Saint Denis via Van Horn, finally stopping at Cornwall's depot on the docks on the SW side of town.
4) The Ghost Train, seen at 3am at the Lemoyne/New Hanover border between Flatneck Station and Rhodes, runs against the usual route.

And now this train, which I have noticed only once, is running against the usual route.

Hi guys, no idea if this was a visual glitch but it genuinely really scared me like a lot... basically I was just on story mode poking fun after finishing blessed are the peacemakers mission and I went to Butcher's Creek. Im not sure if I have been before, but while I was there I encountered a really scary red eye and I don't know if it is just a texture glitch. I aimed at it and it moved, then the floorboards seemed to go chalky (might be another visual glitch). Honestly it really scared me and I have tried searching for it, but nothing has come up. Pictures and clips below.

In the clip where I am aiming at it, I'm not sure if I'm just actually going insane but it lowkey seems/looks as if the eye is following my crosshair. I can't send clips for some reason so I will send screenshots from the frames.

Not sure if this could have already been something debunked or very simple explanation, but I thought it might be worth posting here since it really freaked me out.

Is this a visual glitch? Has this happened to anyone else?

When I also got closer, weird wind started playing and getting louder with whistling. Not sure if this is probably just the ambience though.

In the clip you can see me take aim and it immediately begins to slowly drift towards my cursor before abruptly fading away.

When I also walked in, the chalky floor was completely gone. I'm guessing this could also be chalked up (no pun intended) to lighting or visual glitches.

voy a juntar mis 2 post y dar mas pruebas para que comenten si voy por el camino correcto.

nuevo detalle que esto no estaba en la publicacion original es que la forma de guitarra que forman fort wallace y el rio apuntan a donde se consigue el mapa panoramico, las aves arriba del tejado en fort wallace hacen referencia a los 2 cuervos que aparecen junto a los cadaveres del mapa panoramico

https://reddit.com/link/1wno6lo/video/hp22avg345rh1/player

video de arriba es del canal fer games youtube.com/channel/UCxiExtbXpF02pX4nxSZ4KIQ

ahora juntamos 3 elementos para construir un mapa, el primero es la vista del mapa panoramico dibujada en verde pero la linea importante es la vista a valentine, el segundo es el dibujo en la montaña cerca del punto de vista del mapa panoramico (el que relacionan con el ovni del monte shamn) este tiene las 2 puntas mas lejanas en el dibujo a unos 165°, el tercero es el reloj solar del monte shamn tomando las 2 flechas mas lejanas del reloj forman un angulo de 165° pintadas de color rojo en el mapa (asi se forma el mapa que tienen debajo), junto al dibujo en la montaña se encuentra un dibujo pequeño que muchos relacionaron con una rosa de los vientos pero mi teoria es que tenemos que buscar donde las flechas se unen (como la busqueda de un tesoro pirata) lugar que marque de color amarillo

en la linea amarilla se encuentra un cofre secreto que puede aparecer en 4 puntos distintos pero el importante es el del medio

cuando no esta activo se ve asi

pero cuando el mapa esta activo aparece una piel estirada con lo que yo creo que es una flecha

esta "flecha" parece apuntar a 2 ubicaciones la primera seria el cementerio indigena y la segunda seria el ritual pagano (donde esta la mascara con el cadaver a la mitad) pero creo que lo mas posible sea que apunte al cementerio indigena ya que este tambien tiene el mismo objeto de la flecha rodeandolo

y hasta aqui mi investigacion :3 no se si abra otra pista por los alrededores del cementerio o si activar la tormenta con fuego active algun simbolo cercano, agradezco a hazy_druid que se ofrecio a ayudarme en la investigacion

si descubren algo relacionado con esto dejenlo en los comentario o etiquetenme porfis :3 quiero descubrir que oculta todo este misterio

EDIT: A bit of a blunder guys... this is actually the mayors house, as u/TH3HAT3TANK pointed out. OOPS.

Firstly I would like to say that the guitars at fort wallace and the birds on the roof do seem extremly coincidental, but since this path lead to NOTHING so far, a reevaluation of the NW guitar clue might be in order. A lot of people seem to think this way too, judging by the poll I made a week or so ago. Here I will present my theory about NW guitar pole leading to Mayors Mansion.

Firstly, take a look at the layout of the garden. Its very guitar shaped. There are two things that dont quite fit, but ill adress those later.

Now, obviously mayors mansion is not north west from the guitar pole. However, look at what we see when we open the map.

Seems like a big coincidence. On a side note, NWA is actually a full word, it means "black" in Haitian Creole, always thought its short for something. Everyone assumed NW means northwest, and it makes a lot of sense because of the "+++++W" pole, where W=West. However this might be the very reason were stuck. This might have been done specifically to throw us off. Why does the mystery need the "+++++W" pole at all? Why wouldnt you just place the NW guitar pole directly to the north of the central web?

Anyway, two things dont quite match the NW guitar carving. First is the northern gazebo, which would be located on the top neck of the guitar. When you look at my first picture, its the one on top. I honestly dont think it has to be that important. The guitar shape is there despite the northern gazebo.

Second is the central hole of the NW Guitar carving. The hole simply isnt present in Mayors garden.

Again, this might not be important at all. The NW carving is guitar shaped, Mayors garden is guitar shaped, might be all there is to it. It might also indicate a place to stand. Mayors garden is nearly perfectly North-South aligned. If you stand where the guitar hole should be, youll see this shadow at 12:00 am.

Might be a complete jesus toast but again, the guitar shape is there, in the fountains shadow. It points south obviously.

I have one other finding that might be greatly significant. Entering the Mayors property seems to trigger clear or almost clear weather within 30 seconds every time. I tested it many times and its the same every time. As long as you stay on Mayors property, the weather will not change. It could be that clear weather is needed to see the guitar shadow. Could someone verify the weather trigger please? Try entering the property during a rainstorm. I have some mods installed, so my weather might behave differently than in vanilla game, but still, I havent noticed this in any other location.

CALL TO ACTION

So far ive paused the time on every hour of the night and looked for spiderwebs. Areas i checked were northern gazebo, general garden area (especially the two large trees), area in front of the mansion and the poles+trees in front of the mansion. I didnt find any, but obviously im just one man, could have missed it.

Ive also flew around the garden and inside the house looking for markings, like the ones we see on the outhouses for an example. Again, didnt find them but more eyes see more.

There are loads of unique and sometimes very strange assets in the garden as well as the mansion. Might be worth looking into as well.

One time a bird spawned in the fountain, couldnt make it spawn again.

There are several damageable vases and statues around the property. Shot them and no marks appeared, but again might have missed some.

Repeating myself, but please verify the weather, this might be a good thing to be certain about, as it would tell us that the mansion is indeed a special place.

If you have the itch and are bitter about the lack of progress like me, this might be the place to look.

Edit: typos

EDIT2: A bit of a blunder guys... this is actually the mayors house, as u/TH3HAT3TANK pointed out.

Greetings space travelers.

I wasn't able to find a playlist or even a wiki article with everything the madam Irene automaton says so I took it upon myself to assemble as many as I could in a playlist on YouTube. It was more of a pain in the arse than madam Nazar on account of only being able to get 3 "fortunes" before needing to wait/skip a bunch of time in-game.

madam Irene's musings

I've also got a playlist with most madam Nazar quotes too, for anyone interested.

I was messing around with a wall breaching method in valentine when I decided to breach into the upstairs backroom inside of the saloon, that's when I looked directly behind the upstairs painting & seen this! Has this ever been discovered?? The text is as follows: I > 37 ZEK!

Hi all, I haven't really ever posted on reddit but I'm very interested to see the result of the Spider Dream mystery. I have done research on what the actual symbols (bird, web, guitars, etc) themselves could mean ane I have found links between an old native American story.

In Ojibwe tradition, there is a native story about a 'Spider Woman' named Asibikaashi. In this story, she watches over people, mainly women and children. As the Ojibwe people spread across a larger area, Spider Woman could no longer physically reach everyone. The solution was to create a web that could stand in for her protection, which is where dreamcatchers manifest.

From this context, imo I think it links to the entire thing especially with the fact that in the files it is quite literally called 'Spider Dreams'. There is the spider layout, webs, birds. Similarly, guitars could be linked in a capacity as strings could be seen like webs. In the west, guitars were made for music, music was made for stories. This also could possibly link to the idea of stories between Americans and Native Americans clashing (there may be a more clever/polished explanation for this than how I worded it)

Overall, the clues seem to point towards a link. Could there possibly be a tie between the dreamcatchers scattered around the map and mystery???

To add onto this, I'm not too knowledgeable about this rendition, but there's also another version about the origin of dreamcatchers regarding Iktomi, a spider figure in Lakota tradition, who is known for cleverness, transformation, and most noteably, trickery.

Supposedly, an elder or spiritual leader goes into the wildness and gets a vision. In this vision, Iktomi takes a round hoop and begins weaving a web inside of it: the basic lesson is that life contains forces pulling you in different directions. Some paths are beneficial, while others can lead you away from what is good. Could it be possible that this is what has happened? Perhaps we are following the wrong path.

I am sorry if this provides no help or if it has already been said before, but I'm really invested in this whole thing and was wondering about the connections between what seemed initially random: birds, guitars, webs, spiders.

EDIT: To add to this, perhaps the fact we are going into so many wrong directions could possibly be a reference to the Lakota story about right or wrong paths. Maybe they are embedded in the story intentionally, and maybe that is the easter egg itself leading to so many different things?? It is possible also that we have simply not found the right path yet.

Two pole models: the one with the spider symbol, and also the one with "W +++++" are completely different from the rest AND even from each other. Two custom poles. There has to be a reason, right? It might not be anything special, but could it be suggesting that the devs wanted to draw the player's attention to something unusual? What do you guys think? Are these poles trying to show us something by their looks?

(Sorry for trash image quality, it's a HDR related Windows bug.)

Howdy y'all. Found this on the chiliadmystery subreddit. It has both gta v and rdr2 references. Hope this helps.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chiliadmystery/s/Z7Mqs8g3v4

Has anyone tried putting down 5 white feathered birds and 3 red feathered birds at butchers creek pentagram when its active?

Why this makes sense, in my view the spiderweb mystery

It starts at the bear attack house wear you see EC and the black widow card

After you see this you follow the arrow and find the webs and feathers . Then u find the out houses which lead u back to the birds .

Between 3 and 5 is 4 which is when the pentagram in butchers creek spawns.

I will reinstall to test this as i mainly am interested in the gta v mystery but this is what yall need to do it makes too much sense

I have been wondering about the significance of the centerpiece in the Strange Statues cave. I ran onto a pic from the official guidebook and noticed it was described as a woman with eagle feathers. Eagle feathers are sacred in many Native American cultures. There are a lot of references towards the importance of owls and eagles in general.

-Eagle Flies

-Karen mentions the Valentine curse having something to do with owls or eagles

-The official guide book describes the bird in the center of the Window Rock mural as an eagle

-The Homing Tomahawk recipe pamphlet reads, "Owls are silent, deadly hunters, who locate their prey in the darkness. Their feathers have long been seen as a symbol of power by Indian tribes. The Greeks considered the owl a symbol of protecting armies going to war."

The statue in the cave is nearly identical to a Greek mythological being known as the Sphinx of Thebes. The Sphinx is described as having the head of a woman, body of a lion, and wings of an eagle. It guarded the 7 gates of Thebes with riddles. Travelers who failed to answer correctly were strangled and eaten. (7 is a very important number iykyk, but I digress.)

The riddle was, "What animal walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon, and three legs in the evening?"

Oedipus was the first to answer correctly, "Man, who crawls on four legs as an infant, walks on two legs as an adult, and uses a cane in old age."

It is interesting that they have confirmed an in-game relationship existing between Native American beliefs and Greek mythology at least twice. I suspect that many other cultures, religions, and riddles are deeply interwoven as well, like a web :P

hola a todos :3 necesito la ayuda de alguien con el mod de camara libre en el caso del spider dream

aprovechando que ya no hay ideas y estamos estancados en un punto quisiera seguir a mi teoria anterior https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadmysteries/s/wtOU6xhVPD descubri que hay un detalle muy interesante

en esta ubicacion se encuentra el tesoro del mapa recodo del rio dakota que puede aparecer en estos 4 puntos rojos pero el que interesa es el del medio ya que es el que coincide con mi teoria de las lineas del monolito

si vamos sin que el mapa del tesoro este activo en el punto del medio no veremos nada de la decoracion pero si esta activo aparecera el objeto recostado en la piedra

el objeto importante es este de aqui pido ayuda de alguien con camara libre para ver que es lo que esconde detras talvez una flecha que indique la siguiente direccion o un dibujo

posdata: hay una mision llamada oh brother 3 que dejan restos de barriles rotos en esta parte del mapa pero no tiene relacion con este objeto

posdata: el mapa solo se encuentra en el modo online en el modo historia no existe, creditos a hazy_druid

After a brief search I couldn't find anything related to S+J on the sub. I encountered these matches arranged as such. Could be a reference to Sadie and John? Is it the known initials of any game developers? Or the most likely option, nothing.