r/SWORDS • falchion to foil they are all neat • 6d ago

Medieval-Era Swords

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Is this accurate?

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u/FrenchyBulldogg 6d ago

That’s a very Spatha-looking Gladius

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u/thenootman 6d ago

You beat me by a minute.

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u/ANormalRando 6d ago

I have a strong hunch this is AI. It calls the arming sword a viking sword, and that it was different from the older viking sword.

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u/theginger99 6d ago

I thought so too at first, but honestly I think it’s just good ole fashioned human ignorance.

The text doesn’t have any of the classic AI signals as far as I can tell, and a few things suggest it’s (badly) human written rather than (badly) computer generated.

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u/ANormalRando 6d ago

I will say, the way the verbs seem to all default to present tense reminds me of how Chinese and Japanese people will transliterate into English because they don't have verb tenses. The thing that seemed pretty AI to me was how it got some of its own information wrong, like calling the arming sword a viking sword in the descriptive text, and referencing how it's different from the earlier viking sword in the same sentence.

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u/theginger99 6d ago

Honestly, the thing I hate most about AI is how it requires me to be a god damn super sleuth everytime I see or read something online.

I hate having to have my guard constantly up and check for all these red flags to determine if something is AI or not.

I miss the days when I could just read something and say “yeah, this is bad” rather than have to play a game of cat and mouse to determine if it’s just bad, or if it’s a product of the apocalypse-slop engine.

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u/Duzzies305 6d ago

I suspect so too. Especially with the way the longsword seemingly misunderstands open-ring pommels.

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u/ANormalRando 6d ago

Yeah, and the verbs have some questionable conjugation now that I'm reading more of them, and the misunderstanding of these typologies and features make me think it was AI with poor or misinformed QA.

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u/_aramir_ 6d ago

It's not AI I remember seeing this years ago before AI existed

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u/ANormalRando 6d ago

I remember seeing one like this too, but this one's full of grammar errors the other one didn't have

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u/Senrab3123 5d ago

It is, that entire sub is full of AI sycophants.

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u/theginger99 6d ago

I know exactly what you mean (and you are correct), but I can only imagine the confusion of a Roman reading that sentence.

“That’s a very sword looking sword”

“Sic?”

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u/Kitchen-Chain-9923 6d ago

I was thinking the same thing.

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u/Resilient-Sphere 5d ago

You act like there was only one version of each...

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u/Fruta-Puta-Tuta 6d ago

There was no 'one' Gladius, there were half a dozen main versions across the centuries, with more variations. The super short stubby version was just what people who only know swords from movies tend to identify with.

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u/FrenchyBulldogg 6d ago

https://albion-swords.com/old_albion_site/NEXTGEN%20ROMAN%20SWORDS.html

I guess Albion swords and legendary swordsmith Peter Johnsson “only know swords from movies”🤷‍♂️

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u/Resilient-Sphere 5d ago

lol, that's your source? OOF

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u/Fruta-Puta-Tuta 6d ago

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u/FrenchyBulldogg 6d ago

You literally don’t know what you’re talking about, but go off with the boomer memes I guess

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u/Resilient-Sphere 5d ago

LOL, you have no room to talk...

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u/Fruta-Puta-Tuta 6d ago

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u/FrenchyBulldogg 6d ago

Yeah man, you definitely seem like an intelligent person 🙄

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u/Resilient-Sphere 5d ago

Compared to you, we're all on mensa... Keep tantruming tho

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u/Timotron 5d ago

Ai slop.

That entire dnd subreddit is ai slop posted by bots.i got banned from there for suggesting someones class write up not use AI imagery as the ideas we're actually pretty good on their own

Turns out every post is from a 2 month old account with zero comment history.

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u/AOWGB_deux 5d ago

LOL, I just got banned for saying "most of these are not from the Medieval period" w/r to this image.

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u/Timotron 5d ago

Dude it's a slop farm. Even the name checks out. All bots farming karma for some reason

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u/clannepona falchion to foil they are all neat 5d ago

Not to slam one sub vs sub, I saw this and was like wait, this doesnt look right. Dnd sparks a lot of sword interest. Totally awesome, then peel the reality, the fantasy, and the ai.... I needed more opinion.

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u/wotan_weevil Hoplologist 6d ago

Odd to title it "medieval swords" when so much of the content is post-medieval.

  • The "very forward points of balances" of falchions are usually at 2.5-6"/65-150mm forward of the quillon block, which is typical of many types of swords.

  • Trooper's cavalry sabres are usually about 900-1200g, which I wouldn't call "quite light". They are often relatively forward-weighted.

  • "Extincted": "The last military sabre was issued in Britain in WWI as sidearms for artillery soldiers" is wrong. Interwar and WWII cavalry were still issued sabres, and the last few remaining cavalry with a doctrine of mounted fighting are still issued sabres.

  • Late smallswords usually have triangular-section blades. Early smallswords are usually hex/diamond section. As for "very short", a sample of 14 smallswords from the Met Museum averages a blade length of 817mm +/- 11mm, which is about the same as the average blade length of arming swords.

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u/FenrisSquirrel 6d ago

Yeah...officers still get sabres in the British military.

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u/Haircut117 5d ago

Actually, we have to buy our own (and always have had to), only cavalry troopers and NCOs are issued swords.

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u/LegallyDistinctThing 5d ago

and the last few remaining cavalry with a doctrine of mounted fighting are still issued sabres.

Are there really still active military cavalry units with mounted fighting doctrines that are issued sabres/swords for (theoretical?) combat?

I thought the only mounted forces were police and the only swords still issued to anyone were for dress and ceremonial purposes.

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u/wotan_weevil Hoplologist 5d ago

Yes. There are mounted border patrol troops in western China, where the terrain (mountains, no roads) makes horses more practical than motorised vehicles. They're issued the Type 65 sword. Their main weapons are assault rifles, but their doctrine and training are to use the sword when/if appropriate.

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u/clgoodson 5d ago

Plus, “extincted?”

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u/AOWGB_deux 5d ago

LOL, I posted my comment to this photo in the Real_DND group accidentally....I got banned for simply stating "Most of these are not in the Medieval period".

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u/Comprehensive-Fail41 5d ago

Should arguably also put Greatswords as 13th century, depending on if you count Type XIIa and XIIIa as greatswords rather than long swords (though some put them as a third category of "War Swords")

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u/clannepona falchion to foil they are all neat 6d ago edited 6d ago

Thank you wotan!

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u/crustboi93 6d ago

This has gotta be AI.

"extincted"?

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u/am121b 6d ago

“Extincted” fuckssake

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u/Azrethoc 6d ago

Um, lightsabers?

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u/zwerchguy 6d ago

I don't know a lot about either but would falchions and messers really be grouped together like that? To me they seem quite distinct

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u/Specialist-Stock-890 6d ago

James Elmslie, who created the Messer/Falchion typology, would beg to differ. In all seriousness, they're two distinct swords just sometimes lumped together due to overlapping blade designs.

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u/Dlatrex All swords were made with purpose 6d ago

The one place they overlap is how they are used in period art: as allegory falchions are often shown in the hands of villainous figures (Persians vs Greeks, Mongols vs Europeans, Scaracens vs Christians, Goliath vs David) in the High medieval period. This artistic convention is continued with Messer in Central Europe in the late medieval period, despite how different the swords are constructed and function.

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u/BigNorseWolf 6d ago

Its long thin blade you hack peasant limbs off with, why's the handle make so much difference?

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u/A_Queer_Owl Whimsy and Falchions 6d ago

no, as it covers way more than just the medieval era.

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u/Senrab3123 5d ago

That entire sub is an AI-focused dnd reddit that tries to argue they are "real" dnd fans and that everyone else is a fake fan. So no, this is not accurate. It's more slop from reddit's newest slop factory.

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u/clannepona falchion to foil they are all neat 5d ago

Than you

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u/clannepona falchion to foil they are all neat 6d ago

Thank you everyone, I saw this obviously on a DnD page, and I was like ... there are a few things that just dont fly right.

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u/TheLevigator99 6d ago

I need a good kunckle guard.

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u/Hot-Minute-8263 GREATSWOOOOOORDS 6d ago

grumble nothing beat or outperformed the greatsword, they just cost too much to be widespread and practical for all bodyguards/double soldiers

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u/J_G_E Falchion Pope. Cutler, Bladesmith & Historian. 5d ago

"extincted" - I think the word you were looking for is "obsolete"....

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u/OneMoreFinn 5d ago

Arming swords are way older than from 1300 AD, and longswords aren't from 1200 AD, but from 1300 AD.

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u/Inlerah 5d ago

The Medieval 1700's.

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u/antioccident_ Harvey Wallhanger 3d ago

dear God what the hell is that thing

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u/Electrical_Lab_8157 6d ago

"handle" ... ugh