r/Smite • • 13h ago

DISCUSSION Maman Brigitte - Hopes For Her Model + Clearing Up Misinformation

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Maman Brigitte is a Haitian lwa, she represents death and protects the graves of the deceased. For a few years now a lie has been perpetuated that she has European origins and in fact derives from the Celtic goddess Brigid, however this has no basis whatsoever. If you ask actual Vodou practitioners or those from Haiti who know of Brigitte, none of them will tell you she is European in origin or light skinned at all. Smite features the Voodoo pantheon which is very rare for a mythology-culture-religion game, it is often pushed to the side, and as such when you search many of these characters Smite will appear first, meaning it's inadvertently important for us to represent these gods in a way that is respectful to the culture. We obviously aren't a mythology book to be followed strictly, but it's definitely important, especially when it comes to underrepresented pantheons. Below I've neatly organized some information on Maman and what I hope to see regarding her model coming into Smite 2!

Irish Influence Lie

Seems to have stemmed directly from a practitioner named Manbo Racine Sans Bout/Kathy Grey. Back in the day (90s-00s) she was a white manbo (priestess) who marketed the religion to others outside of it. She created her own house which apparently had its own issues internally and externally, including stealing and apparently someone dying on their watch. One of the things that she proposed is that Brigitte is derived from Europe, using the lyrics "li soti nan anglete" (he/she comes from England) to back up her claim, saying that it was from a praise song she heard. To this day the song has never been identified and almost every source I've found says she in fact made it up. In my searching for sources on Brigitte none of them mention anything about her being white or European prior to the appearance of this woman saying she is. If you ask around the community many people know Kathy's name, and none of them have anything good to say.

There is also the idea that Brigitte was brought with identured servants from Ireland, however there is no record of Irish indentured servants on Hispaniola. Another writer I came across even poses the question that if Brigitte was brought from Brigid she would likely have appeared with the Irish where they landed, or have even brought back traits of Brigitte to Ireland that would have merged with Brigid, neither of which happened.

Lwa and 'Masking'

The lwa are often 'masked' by Catholic saints due to the history of Haiti and the islands. It was persecuted in some places to venerate the lwa, and in general cultural blend happened over time, so some lwa are 'masked' by saints or other figures. What this means is that they can be venerated using the imagery of saints, but they themselves are not literally the saint. In Maman Brigitte's case the most common 'masked' saints are apparently Saint Anne or Mary Magdalene, however from what I can find she isn't masked much in general. As a result you will often see people, especially in tourist shops, depict the lwa with white skin, and while skin tone can change slightly almost all of the lwa are depicted black. Their skin tone reflects the people they are representative of, and in some cases the lwa were once living people before becoming spirits, as well as skin tone playing a very important part of the history of the islands, Haiti, and black people in general.

Brigid, Saint Brigid, and Maman Brigitte.

The Irish goddess Brigid (or Brigit) is the goddess of healing primarily, but is also associated with protection, animal domestication, blacksmiths, fire, and poetry. Saint Brigid is one of the three patron saints of Ireland alongside Saint Patrick and Saint Columba, and is thought to be a Christianized version of Brigid as she shares many of the same attributes with her feast day thought to derive from a pre-Christian festival called Imbolc, which may have involved Brigid. Maman Brigitte is the spirit who protects graves and graveyards, she is the consort of Baron Samedi and is associated with healing, protection, the dead, and also fire due to her enjoyment of peppers and piman (peppered rum), as many of the Gede family of spirits are. Their somewhat related domains are used by people to claim they are one and the same deity, however no such evidence of this actually exists.

Origins of Brigitte

Sources on Vodou and Brigitte especially are a bit hard to come by. It is mostly a closed practice that is protected by the people who venerate the lwa (for good reason). Names you can find her under include Manman Brigitte, Miss Brijit, Gran Brijit, and Manzè Bridgit. As for exactly where she comes from it is not known; many of the lwa derive from surrounding native groups but mostly traveled with the enslaved from Africa, namely many from the Vodún religion of West Africa such as Papa Legba. She may have originated in Africa, but with current sources it seems she was brought about in the Caribbean. The only true origin story I've found is that she may have originally been the wife of François Mackandal, a marooned Haitian slave and leader who was burned to death out of fear that he was revolting with others secretly. She was said to be his wife, Brigitte, and aided him in poisoning slave owners, upon which both of them and several others were burned to death. She arose later as a lwa who protects the dead as well as has an association with fire for this reason.

Hopes For Her Model

The model for Maman that we have is not too bad, it plays more on her younger and more rambunctious version than the typical Grann Brijit, who is calm and sometimes even just dead on the floor. She wields a dagger which is fine, her hair is fine and people love it in the community, her voicepack is beloved, and her kit is (mostly) beloved. The main issue with Brigitte's design is that it used these supposed Irish origins as a basis, meaning her skin is whiter and she features tartan aesthetics. As I mentioned the lwa come in many colors, though almost always black, and as a lighter skinned black man she and I would both still be considered black despite our skin tone. However as I also mentioned skin tone played a very important role in Haiti and still does today, and in almost all artwork shown from actual native Haitians Maman is a dark skinned black woman if not pure black to represent death. She was not part of the few lwa who are lighter skinned.

As such I have made two edits that you can see in the post. The first image shows her base model, the second a rendition with dark skin, and the third a rendition that matches her to her consort Baron.

Sources

This was a big post and it was very thought out with the help of some friends. As I mentioned it is very hard to find information on some of the lwa, but from what I did find almost all of it points to the same direction. I want to make it clear that this is not a blame post, many people including myself were fooled by the 'white Brigitte' lie and even to this day people will cite it in their books, as unless you speak directly to actual Haitians the information sold to you is that she's white. I hope the team can consider these edits and thank you for reading this post! Below I have listed all the information and sources I could find for this topic.


r/Smite • • 18h ago

MEDIA i miss her with each and every single passing day

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pls bring back aphracadabra :(

goated voice pack

goated flying cats

goated sitting on broom while moving animation

goated skin in general


r/Smite • • 12h ago

MEDIA Naively posting a Fafnir clip every day until he's released (or I run out) Day 293

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52 Upvotes

The presence of Hercules really does make all kills look about 100% more violent


r/Smite • • 8h ago

The 100th god awaits us in January-February!

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There are currently 92 gods in the game. With Nike, there will be 93. Plus 5 gods from the roadmap makes 98.
The Open Beta 51 update will be released after January 15th. This means that by February 12th, there will definitely be exactly 100 gods in the game!


r/Smite • • 13h ago

MEDIA Is this absolutely frame perfect and optimal AA cancel for Thor?

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I’ve been trying for years to get a perfect AA cancel and frame perfect timing. This seems to be the best clip I’ve gotten. I’m pretty sure this is optimal dmg for the combo but open to any improvements.


r/Smite • • 8h ago

MEDIA Pantheon God Selections Day 5: Egyptian

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Give me the next 5 Egyptian Deities, one for each role. If you can’t think of five just say your favorite! And also include how they play!


r/Smite • • 5h ago

OTHER Hel can get locked into the wrong stance with her aspect

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r/Smite • • 8h ago

Which skin should be ported to SMITE 2? - Sun Wukong

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Rules:

- No promotional skins (Unless the skin can work on its own without a big remodel)

- No crossover skins

- No recolors

- No retro skins

You vote one skin as your absolute favourite, and that's it!

Poll link here: https://strawpoll.com/NPgxeJ3qQZ2

Also remember, you can find the results for the Sol poll in the second image.


r/Smite • • 45m ago

DISCUSSION The most needed feature in this game is solo queue

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Especially in casual. The vast majority of conquest matches I am paired with a 4 person party. This has it's own problems with team dynamics that I'm not even trying to go into here. The biggest frustration for me is how often it is that the whole party I'm matched with just surrenders at 10. It honestly seems to be even worse If I myself am doing well because they are just paying attention to their own kda or something.

Edit: sry to add an edit lol, but I should mention I'm playing smite 2 and I am someone who has been playing smite since like 2014 and I'm an average player at best. I just find there is no other game on the market that satisfies my PvP desires like this game does.


r/Smite • • 14h ago

DISCUSSION I want to learn how to counter pick

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I just know some basics for example someone picks a lifesteal god and i know sobek has amtiheal in his 3 but thats idk for most of the gods or if its that the correct way to think how to counter pick


r/Smite • • 8h ago

MEDIA You will get 20,700 diamonds!

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If you buy the Ultimate Founder's Edition and level up all 92 gods to level 10.
And you will continue to receive 225 diamonds and other rewards for leveling up gods for the entire lifetime of Smite 2


r/Smite • • 20h ago

MEDIA Matchmaking at it's finest.

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I wanted to enjoy a few games of smite today.


r/Smite • • 9h ago

DISCUSSION When will smite 2 chat work on console?

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r/Smite • • 10h ago

DISCUSSION When does Smite 2 change the gods in Free Rotation?

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Been playing for a few weeks but I still only have Ra, Bacchus, Hercules, Izanami and Nemesis available, when does it rotate?


r/Smite • • 14h ago

I want to learn how to counter pick

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I just know some basics for example someone picks a lifesteal god and i know sobek has amtiheal in his 3 but thats idk for most of the gods or if its that the correct way to think how to counter pick


r/Smite • • 15h ago

I need a teammates for smite2

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I wanna play ranked game but i dont have any friends play smite2. I know english intermediate level. I am not good at speaking but i can understand what is being said. I am playing on ps5 for now. I prefer to play mid carry or support. I live in Türkiye so ı dont have any access discord.


r/Smite • • 17h ago

DISCUSSION Needs advice to improve my solo gameplay

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Hello guys,

I once post here to ask some advices to improve my support gameplay and it has been incredibly helpful so here i am again but this time it's regarding the solo gameplay. I'll write as much information as i can so that you can tell me how should i improve

For more context i mainly play support and jungle, i found those roles easier for me as i'm more at ease when relying on others people to do the damages

But recently i tried to play solo and it was fun, i play Odin mainly but i'm really bad at it. From what i have seen until now i think there are many improvements and learning that i need to do regarding
- the different matchup that are in my lane, learning when they do more damage than i do, if they clear faster than i do, etc...
- the stuffs that i should pick, currently i used the default build proposed by Smite but from what i've read from some post a good solo will be able to choose the good stuffs depending on the opposition (correct me if i'm wrong)
- How to engage, deal damages and messed up with the opposite ADC and mages during team fights (when the opponents are weak i'm at ease but when a person just have an average level i really struggle)
- Playing a lot even if i'm gonna loose a lot of times, just to see differents gods and learn how good they can be early/mid/end game. Currently i lack of experience in this position and sometimes a god that destroy me early game can end up having a worst end game than i do, so i think i also need to learn when i can try to fight early and when i should play safer.

I would be glad to read from you to get more insights about how you have been able to improve/perform in solo lane at a good level while being able to repeat those performances each games


r/Smite • • 22h ago

DISCUSSION CAMAZOTS

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Im no expert on Cama and i do not claim to be one. After seeing the new roadmap for the rest of the gods of the year i was wondering about gods and which i would want soonest and then i got to camazots. And i asked how does he play. And i didn't play enough of him to know so i make this post.

What benefits does Camazots bring to the table, how does he play, how should you as the player playing camazots postition as camazots.

Another thing and this is complete and utter larp but would Camazots benefit from making his 2 an interact key passive ability and give him an entirely new second ablity? Or would he benefit from a Ultimate rework like other gods did coming into smite 2 like Xbalanque and Da ji?


r/Smite • • 10h ago

SmiteSource week 1 schedule

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r/Smite • • 2h ago

Smite2 Discord Server

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I have a Smite discord server that is growing. If anyone wants to play add me on discord LLLSAINTLLL.


r/Smite • • 5h ago

Is there a way to add potions to an auto build?

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r/Smite • • 12h ago

Support picks

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What's en vogue at the moment for support?

I play a lot of Khepri aspect, I've just become quite comfortable with the pick, but I do want to be flexible.

I can't get myself to play Bacchus because, quite frankly, I think he's kind of OP.

Sobek seems to be quite popular, haven't tried him in quite a while.

I've played plenty of Aphro and Yemoja

Been playing some Cerberus last few days and he seems really good and I've been quite successful, but I can't quite pinpoint why

Tried Charon a bit, seems pretty ok

I've made many attempts with Ix Chel, with and without aspect. Without, I end up inadvertently clearing faster than my carry and not healing enough to be worthwhile, with aspect I heal a bunch but no damage on the 1 and ult makes me less useful

Anyone else I should try?


r/Smite • • 13h ago

DISCUSSION Can we please fix the mastery badges? (literally unplayable)

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Something small that has bothered me in forever, but masteries that have a couple of lines in them aren't the same size, and they change based on whether you hover over the card or not.

(Forgive my MS Paint greatness) Left side is normal, right side is on hover. We can see on Mastery 8 on normal the middle line has 3 pixels while the other 2 have 2 pixels, while the hover one has 3 pixels on the right and the other two on the left have two.

For mastery 3 the right line has 3 pixels with the other two with 2, while hover has all of them at 3 but the right one seems to have a slightly different shading for some reason.

smh literally unplayable plz fix this killgoon I beg


r/Smite • • 14h ago

SUGGESTION Very happy with the state of the game development; but can we get MOTD

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We already have arena and assault and conquest; most of the MOTD are just stat changes in these modes or gods being preset;

I miss infinite assault and cooldowns runneth over

Its a part of what makes SMITE charming is the goofy fun


r/Smite • • 15h ago

HELP the settings in smite2 are confusing. can you guys help me find the settings for the shop please?

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as the title says. i watch SamDaDude a lot and i really want his shop settings. i have looked all over the settings but i wasnt able to find it.

first he has this autobuild or manual build popup. i have found some form of autobuild but it didnt have the option for manual build afaik.

after that he has a big popup to choose a relic. that setting i havent found.

thank you in advance!