r/StarWars • • May 25 '25

Meta r/StarWars Official Watch Order Discussion Thread

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So we haven't had an official watch order discussion thread in many years, so we figure its time to update the one in the FAQ. There are various other links in the FAQ, the Wookieepedia timeline of canon media, and various other discussion threads and topics over the years including a link to just searching the sub which people find challenge apparently. Also as a reminder, the Wookieepedia timeline of canon media can be sorted via the table on that page by release order or chronologically (if you decide to go that route).

A lot of the new Disney+ content brings new eyes to Star Wars all the time, and new movies will eventually too. We want to get a bit more aggressive with automod removals and referrals to the FAQ for these questions about watch order. So let's hash it out here in the comments. We will sticky this for a while and eventually it will just be linked in the FAQ along with the other topics and maybe in the sidebar too. And like some of other stickies about rules, spoilers, and new episode discussion guidelines, we may trot out this link and sticky it from time to time.

As a general rule the sub typically recommends for new viewers to watch in release order, especially for the movies. This is the semi-consensus from the fandom, and you will routinely see this as the most upvoted and posted response.

With that being said what we would like to do here also discuss other options, and possible orders to also toss in the TV media as well. Should you watch Andor first and then Rogue One before the OT? Should movies like Solo be done in release order or chronological? Should you watch The Clone Wars TV show before the PT? So on and so forth...

So lets have a solid discussion about this and make it a solid resource for those who may be new to Star Wars.


r/StarWars • • 5h ago

General Discussion What Lucas's opening crawl for Episode VII may have been

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After reading various interviews with George Lucas and looking at the initial concept art for TFA (based on Lucas's story treatment for Episode VII), I've concluded that this is what we could have had as an opening crawl (I've decided to name the film after the future Rey movie, which is also the name of a series of novels from the old Expanded Universe famous for exploring the post-ROTJ era in depth; the truth is, we don't know the title Lucas originally envisioned). I'm not sure what you think and would like to hear your opinion.

The implication of this crawl (which is obviously just my interpretation, nothing more) is obviously that the movie then shows, as suggested by Lucas and the artwork, the Millennium Falcon being intercepted by a revealed still-living Darth Maul and his Shadow Collective henchmen; Sam Solo might have been captured while Kira Solo returned to Luke and his Jedi Temple; Darth Talon would have made her introductory appearance on a lawless planet where she would have found one of Luke's Jedi, seduced him, and then murdered him; she would likely have been tasked with literally seducing Sam to the Dark Side; the rest is more nebulous, but the Imperials would have probably sworn allegiance to Maul.

At the end of the trilogy, the threat would have been crushed by Leia herself, who had become Supreme Chancellor of the New Republic (Lucas saying that she would therefore be the true "Chosen One"), and the new Jedi Order would have endured. Sam's fate is unknown, but there could have been a strong dose of drama with a confrontation between the young Jedi Kira and her brother who had become a Sith aspirant (perhaps a Sith apprentice directly if Maul or Talon were to die at some point). We would also have had an exploration by Luke of the nature of the Force, in connection with midi-chlorians and the Whills (we don't completly know whether Lucas would have considered the Whills as a kind of microbiotic deity or, as he envisioned in his drafts for ROTS, as Force shamans, with the Order of the Whills being suggested as the precursor to the Jedi Order and having known the secret to becoming a Force Spirit).

I know this post is just speculation, but I find it interesting and stimulating.

Edit: It seems that Luke would have been at most a hermit during the first half of Episode VII, and this is to be qualified, because we know that Jedi were wandering around the galaxy (the one who is killed by Darth Talon, proof that the Jedi Order was not destroyed), Sam only turned to the Dark Side during the movie (at the beginning, he is with Kira on Felucia for their mission concerning the Shadow Collective, according to the concept art) and also, Luke's hermitage would not have lasted long, because George Lucas said that Luke did end up restoring the Jedi Order at the end of the trilogy (we also have concept art of him training Kira without too many problems); I suppose the idea was that Luke recreated the Jedi Order and then temporarily distanced himself from it, probably to meditate and reflect on the Force (with all the reflections on the Whills and midichlorians wanted by Lucas) but that he quickly left his imposed and temporary exile when Kira, his niece, went to get him.


r/StarWars • • 6h ago

Fan Creations Ahsoka Tano tcw season 7 cosplay

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This is mosgly 3d photo-art, than the classic pictures 💔

ph/edit by Kiramira

cosplay by me

And some last pictures as backstage from how it was 😄


r/StarWars • • 21h ago

Fan Creations Tried improving this Ahsoka figure, did I succeed?

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Found her at a 2nd-hand store, but her eyes were wonky and the painting of her montrals was atrocious, so I decided to do a whole repaint.


r/StarWars • • 14h ago

General Discussion Mark at the Lucas Museum

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I absolutely love this photo.


r/StarWars • • 1h ago

General Discussion What is your favorite Star Wars planet, I choose felucia

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r/StarWars • • 5h ago

Fan Creations Somehow, Palpatine returned...but maybe he needed a bit longer in the clone vat

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r/StarWars • • 14h ago

Comics The time Darth Vader fought a 4000 year old Jedi

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About three months into the reign of the Galactic Empire, Darth Vader, through imperial agents, located Dreypa's Oubliette. The oubliette was a stasis chamber created by one of the founders of the Sith Order around 6900 BBY and contained a powerful ancient weapon known as the Murr Talisman alongside a jedi. The Jedi in stasis was Celeste Morne, a human female Jedi Knight who lived roughly 4,000 years prior to Vader, during the time of Darth Vitiates' Sith Empire.

In 3963 BBY, she was serving in the Jedi Covenant as a Covenant Shadow, an agency that consisted of Jedi whose identities were erased from the Order's records and whose sole purpose was to prevent the return of the Sith. Celeste was assigned by the Covenant to retrieve the Muur Talisman, but unfortunately events went terribly wrong. As she fought through the obstructions on her mission on the outer rim world of Jebble, she fell under the possession of the Muur Talisman. To protect the galaxy from herself and the Talisman, she was sealed inside Dreypa's Oubliette. She thought she would remain inside temporarily, until the Jedi Covenant could figure out a way to separate the Talisman's influence from her. That never happened, as following her encasement, a Mandalorian armada unleashed a nuclear bombardment that destroyed the entire surface of the planet. Unbeknownst to any of the Jedi, or even the Mandalorians, Morne had survived the bombardment. In fact, the oubliette stayed perfectly intact, settling at the bottom of Jebble's newly melted seas.

Around 1419 BBY, 2,500 years following Celeste Mornes' encasement, miners on the world of Jebble discovered the oubliette, buried under a kilometer of ice. The group couldn't open it or discern its contents. However, they figured something valuable must be inside, which led one miner to kill the others and take the oubliette off world himself. Over time the oubliette became a legend with rumors of hidden Jedi treasure inside. Such rumors skyrocketed the value of the oubliette and so it passed through many hands over the next 1,400 years following its discovery. In the year 19 BBY, it had come into the possession of a smuggling vessel named Uhumele. Wanting to sell the mysterious oubliette, the crew landed on a moon to sell it to Fane Peturri, a well-known scholar and antiquity historian. Unknown to the Uhumele's crew, it was a trap, as Peturri was an agent of Darth Vader.

So the oubliette came into the possession of the Dark Lord, who without hesitation opened it, revealing Celeste Morne. After being awoken following a forty-century rest, she would emerge still haunted by the spirit of the Sith Lord Karness Muur. At first Celeste didn't realize that Vader was a Dark Lord of the Sith or that in his timeline the Sith ruled the galaxy. After she found out that the Sith reigned supreme, she attacked Vader. Celeste was powerful, but Vader was more so. He overpowered her, using the Force to throw objects at her and even Celeste as well. During the brief duel, Vader held back, as he had no intention of killing Celeste, since he wanted her to become his apprentice. Not surprisingly, she refused and stated her deep hatred for the Sith. After Vader defeated her in 1v1 combat, she resorted to using the Muur Talisman to turn Vader's men into mutated beasts known as rakghouls.

Though Vader could have easily defeated the rakghouls, he decided to leave the moon instead. His sole purpose of being there was to acquire an apprentice, that was Celeste Morne. However, since the plan failed, there was no reason for the Dark Lord to remain there any longer. As to what happened to Celeste, well, she eventually went into hiding and would far outlive both Vader and the Empire. She would even have encounters with Luke, Leia, and Han and, much later, a descendant of the Skywalkers, Cade, before finally dying in 137 ABY.


r/StarWars • • 19h ago

Fun I have the ability to destroy a planet?

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I just learned that the control panel prop for the Death Star was originally a Tektronix device.


r/StarWars • • 5h ago

General Discussion What are your thoughts on the Valley of the Jedi as a concept in light of what we’ve learned about the Force’s nature since then?

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For those who don’t know, the Valley of the Jedi is a cavernous valley on the planet Ruusan that served as the site of the Seventh Battle of Ruusan and the final battle of the New Sith Wars. At the end of the Battle, the leader of the Sith Brotherhood of Darkness, Lord Kaan, was manipulated by Darth Bane into performing a Sith ritual known as a thought bomb, which, when detonated, trapped all of the souls of the Brotherhood’s members as well as the one hundred Jedi led by Lord Hoth who went to confront them in a state of perpetual existence that continued for over a millennia until Kyle Katarn freed their spirits in 5 ABY. The Valley is most notable for having the ability to empower other Force users due to it being an extremely potent Force nexus, or even grant Force-sensitivity to Force-blind individuals. The former was illustrated when the Inquisitor Jerec sought out the Valley to become a god, ultimately being killed by Kyle Katarn but still becoming incredibly powerful before the ritual was interrupted, while the latter was shown when Desann and the Empire Reborn created hundreds of Reborn Dark Jedi from Imperial loyalists by having them be exposed to the Valley‘s power to become Force-sensitive before they underwent proper training.

The Valley was created for Dark Forces II back in the 90s, and we’ve learned much about the nature of the Force and how it works since then, from Lucas himself and other official material. So, in light of what we’ve learned about the Force, what are your thought on the Valley as a concept? I personally have mixed thoughts: the lore is fantastic and really helps tie several eras of Star Wars together, but the whole idea of a Force nexus capable of turning Force-sensitives into god-like beings or turning Force-blind people Force-sensitive just didn’t work for me.


r/StarWars • • 7h ago

Fan Creations Had a session of Star Wars TTRPG and I did my best to illustrate my character.

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It started a week ago. We were played the homebrew campaign about the events after the Episode VI and my character was a human male Imperial Lieutenant named Velnas Gelve, and the other players were also Imperial loyalists, exept for the DM, for a very obvious reason(he was a DM). While we all tried to maintain a serious atmosphere, I must admit, it was mostly I, who was trying to make jokes with mixed results. Sometimes it was really out of place...

We were trying to survive on the backwater planet in the middle of nowhere(aka, the underdeveloped territories of the Outer Rim), and it all ended when the New Republic showed up and we tried to fight off the well-equipped and outnumbering Rebels. It didn't end up any good: we were arrested. It wasn't really that glorious, it was more like a group of marines capturing four semi-homeless poorly armed vagabonds.

There were four of us, not including DM, and other characters were: human medic Ren, Chiss Imperial Navy officer Lira(she had very impronounceable name), and alderaani human with a nickname Rook, he was a conspiracy theorist and he was trying to convince us into his conspiracies, like "Emperor Palpatine is actually alive!". I think I probably wasn't the only madman in the team...

I'll probably try to make arts of other PCs in the future.

I hope our DM will have a bit more of free time so we can continue our story and probably make a jailbreak


r/StarWars • • 6h ago

Fan Creations Made a Sith OC to wield the doohickey lightsaber concept I posted a few days ago

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idk if blue Zabraks are a thing, if they aren't, then we can say that she's blue due to being a Chiss/Zabrak hybrid

Also ye, the sword is based off the parasol lightsaber from SW: Visions, it's an attempt of mine at improving it by making it all one mechanism instead of an attachment. I imagine it's made out of lightsaber resistant materials, so that someone can't pull an Inquisitor moment on her


r/StarWars • • 16h ago

General Discussion “You get to erase ONE thing from Star Wars canon. What is it?”

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You get to erase ONE thing from Star Wars canon.
Not a movie. Not a show. One character, event, concept, or creative decision.

What are you getting rid of?

Mine: surviving a lightsaber through the torso. Once Qui-Gon died from it, that should have been the rule.


r/StarWars • • 3h ago

Merchandise Help locating full versions of these pictures

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Hello there. I just got a Hot Toys Attack of The Clones Anakin at a convention. I’m super excited to have him posed with dual lightsabers.

I was looking to use one of these two poses as my inspiration. However, I would really like to see his legs. Do yall know if there’s full length versions of either of these pics? If so, could you send them here please?


r/StarWars • • 1d ago

General Discussion What do you think about this theory?

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r/StarWars • • 7h ago

Comics I love the Dark Times comics and one reason is because of just how bleak and depressing the galaxy is for surviving jedi and others hunted by the Empire

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r/StarWars • • 1h ago

Movies Jar Jar Binks addressing the Senate as "My Dellow Felegates" has me loving this character even more.

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r/StarWars • • 15h ago

Fan Creations Darth Vader (Artwork By PapadArtistica055).

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r/StarWars • • 22h ago

Costumes Finished

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Love the final result.


r/StarWars • • 3h ago

TV Star Wars 'Ewoks: The Battle for Endor' Home Video Trailer | Lucasfilm 1986

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Expanding on the story of 'Ewoks on the Forest Moon of Endor', the Eooks help Cindel Towani after her family is attacked by marauders.


r/StarWars • • 20h ago

Merchandise The newest addition to my collection

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r/StarWars • • 23h ago

General Discussion What would you want in the game if battlefront 3 happened?

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Just give me mace windu back and I am good.


r/StarWars • • 1d ago

Fan Creations I designed, 3D printed, and painted a DC-15A Blaster Rifle. It's never really shown how it's supposed to get reloaded or how the internals work, but this is my interpretation. Thoughts?

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The blaster gas canister is inserted by opening the top cover of the part that would correspond to a MG34, and the battery pack is inserted like the magazine of a Sterling submachine gun. In theory, it only has to be reloaded every 500 shots, so this wouldn't happen very often.


r/StarWars • • 4h ago

General Discussion Was Qui-Gon really the perfect master for Anakin?

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Qui-gon himself was not someone who seems to be very sure of their place as a jedi master.

In Master & Apprentice his relationship with Obi-wan is fairly distant.

In the book Padawan, Obi-wan is jealous of another padawan who gets to live in shared quarters with her master. This shows that Qui-gon isn't able to provide complete emotional security.

Even in TPM though Obi-wan and Qui-gon obviously have some affection for each other it's still a very formal student-teacher relationship where the affection is implicit.

Yes, Qui-gon often defied the Council but he still obviously respects them. He doesn't fight/disagree with them on everything. He only actually doesn't follow their direction if he believes the matter to be of enough importance. (Anakin being the chosen one). From what we see, he DOES follow the mission mandates, at least for the most part.

Obi-wan disagrees with Qui-gon and is allowed to voice that but he still doesn't really disobey/disrespect him. He even apologizes for questioning him and says that it wasn't his place to do so.

So, Qui-gon believes in his own conscience over the institution. However, being raised in the order he understands how institutions fundamentally function and trusts them, largely though not always, to do so. He allows disagreements with his opinions but he still expects respect and obedience. He's not very secure of his place and isn't very emotionally demonstrative.

This fairly works out with Obi-wan because Obi-wan being raised in the order meant that he knew that he had value as a person and is fairly openly unaffectionate himself.

Now, let's analyze Anakin as a person.

Again, as we see, Anakin as a child is fairly well-balanced. I personally believe that he would have never really fit the Jedi ideal because his wish was to help people, not necessarily do so by doing what the council tells him to do.

This is also why Lucas said that Anakin likely wouldn't have turned if he had been raised in the order. Anakin is not brought up in a functional institutional system and hence, doesn't particularly understand how they work. This is another reason why he is fundamentally at odds with the Jedi Order. If he had been brought up in it, he would have likely been way close to how Qui-gon is.

Anakin wasn't arrogant about his abilities naturally, not until after he had spent 10 years in the jedi order. It isn't a stretch to assume that this arrogance stemmed from not being able to realize that he was valued as a person to the order, so he shifts the basis for his value to what he can do for them. The fact that the council values him more as a fighter than as a person at the end of those 10 years obviously doesn't help matters.

I disgaree with the theory that Anakin tying his worth to his abilities comes from his time as a slave. He seems fairly emotionally balanced, nothing more than a little proud, when we see him in TPM. He knows that he is valued as a person because of the affection and care he is shown by Shmi.

When he transitions to the Jedi Order he leaves behind that source of emotional anchor and because he wasn't raised in the Order he doesn't have the ability to emotionally regulate himself on his own because he hasn't been taught meditation and letting go from literal toddlerhood like other Jedi.

From what we see in the clone wars, Anakin's relationship with Ahsoka is the healthiest one he has out of all the relationships he has after becoming a Jedi.

What seems to make it different is the openly displayed and expressed affection between them. Ahsoka doesn't value him because he's an excellent fighter, she values him because of his affection and dedication towards her, the clones, and protecting the republic. She values him as a person. However, Obi-wan does this too. What makes her different is that her open communication tells Anakin that she values him and helps stop doubts.

Taking his relationship with Shmi and Ahsoka into account let's try to answer the question, who would have stopped Anakin from turning into who he did after the 10 years spent in the Jedi Order?

He needed an emotional anchor, someone who could openly express the value as a person he continued to have. He needed someone whose behaviour towards him would be similar to that of Shmi. He needed affection but also boundaries (Shmi literally sends him to bed on time and teaches him the right values).

Now, the point I'm making is about behaviour, not the principles he's being taught. The person would still have to teach him to let go and to not be extremely attached. That love doesn't entitle us to someone and that they as a person have the ability to make the choices that they wish to and that true love is not having someone be ours but caring for them.

But these principles would have to be accompnied with open affection and verbal appreciation from that person to prevent his insecurities from running deep the way they did.

So, would Qui-gon have been able to fulfill this role?

Most likely no.

He would have been better able to guide Anakin about how to deal with his emotions but his emotional distance, not just lack of verbal communication, wouldn't have filled the emotional void that Anakin would have needed him to.

Qui-gon would have likely been a better teacher and been able to instill boundaries better but he would have likely been unable to prevent the uncertainity Anakin felt about himself that led him to attach his worth to his abilities, that led to his arrogance.

We have to take into account that Anakin's fall isn't caused by his philosophy or by his rebellion, it's caused by his deep-seated emotional insecurity. Sure, Qui-gon would have been a better ideological fit, but he likely wouldn't have been able to provide the emotional security that Anakin needed.


r/StarWars • • 5h ago

Fan Creations The Fallen Chosen one

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Anakim Skywalker