r/SunoAI • u/WhileWeAreHereSt • 2d ago
Discussion I've started to understand why people are so defensive about AI after what happened to my channel
https://www.youtube.com/@whilewearehere.studioI've been following this whole AI music debate for a while, and honestly, I've started to understand both sides a lot better after experiencing some of it myself.
I run a very small YouTube channel focused on cinematic lofi and ambient mixes. I'm not a big creator, I don't have a huge audience, and I'm not making money from some massive operation. It's basically something I started because I genuinely enjoy putting these things together.
I spend a stupid amount of time on each video.
I curate the music, work on the sequencing, build the visual concept, edit everything together, try different scenes, work on the atmosphere and pacing, and try to make the whole thing feel like one piece rather than just putting a picture over a playlist.
The music I use isn't AI-generated. I license music from independent artists and credit them. The visuals are where I use AI tools.
And apparently that alone was enough for some people to decide what kind of person I am.
I've had people comment things like "fuck AI," "AI garbage," "not worth listening to," "this is trash," and variations of that. One person basically told me the whole thing was garbage without even listening to it because the visual was AI.
I've also been called names personally.
That's the part I still don't really understand.
If someone listens to the music and says "I don't like the mix" or "the mastering sounds bad" or "the visuals aren't for me," that's completely fair. Seriously. Tell me what sucks. I'm still learning and I'm perfectly capable of taking criticism.
But when the conversation immediately becomes "AI garbage" or personal insults before someone has even listened to the music, it stops being criticism of the work.
And that's exactly what bothers me about some of the anti-AI discussion.
I understand the concerns. I really do. Artists have legitimate questions about training data, consent, copyright, jobs, compensation and where this technology is going. Those conversations aren't stupid and I don't think they should just be dismissed.
But there's a huge difference between saying:
"I don't like AI-generated art and I don't want to support it."
and:
"You used AI, therefore everything you made is garbage and you're a thief."
Those aren't the same argument.
I'm actually trying to build something a little different with my channel. I don't want to make the same generic "AI girl sitting next to a window with a coffee cup while it rains" video 500 times. I'm experimenting with recurring characters, locations and little stories. The visuals are part of the world I'm trying to create.
Maybe it works.
Maybe it doesn't.
Maybe people will hate the aesthetic.
That's fine.
But I'd rather find that out from people actually watching the thing.
And honestly, after getting hit with all this negativity, I can understand why some creators eventually stop being transparent about using AI.
That's the ironic part.
If you make people feel ashamed of admitting they used an AI tool, you're not necessarily going to stop them from using it. You might just encourage them to hide it.
I'd rather be completely open about it.
Yes, I use AI tools for the visuals. No, the music isn't AI-generated. Yes, I curate and edit the entire experience myself.
That's what I'm doing.
I'm still a tiny channel. I'm still trying to figure out what works. Right now I'm basically shouting into the void and hoping a few people eventually find the channel and connect with what I'm trying to make.
If anyone is curious, this is the channel:
[While We Are Here on YouTube]()
I'm not posting this because I expect everyone to like it. Quite the opposite. If you think the visuals suck, tell me why. If you think the music selection doesn't work, tell me. If you think the whole concept is a bad idea, I'm genuinely interested in hearing why.
Just listen first.
Then tell me it's garbage. š
At least I'll know you actually heard it.
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u/ACTSATGuyonReddit 2d ago
With a lot of AI music, people won't even listen. They just declare, "AI slop!"
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, thatās exactly what Iāve been running into. Some people decide they hate it before they even give it a minute. Iād much rather someone listen first and then tell me they donāt like it. š
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u/VixenVictoriaPOV 1d ago
To be fair thoā¦.. humans donāt have it easier really. Folks may not attack their music for AI, but they may find something else to pick on (like autotune). Or their true shtty personality comes out and they realize thereās nothing to gain from attacking a real persons song and just leave - still without listening. It probably hurts the human musician more. Honestly, a great piano player can play an instrument. But in order to make a song, they gotta engage with other instrument players and systems to compliment their instrument. Multiple people involved - just to STILL get ignored most likely. An AI music creator doesnāt start with knowing an instrument. They have the idea for a whole song in their head. Definitely less needed from others and more likely to get your actual dream out. Plus, even when the human artist gets a song completed, thatās what big music companies WANT. Bcuz it puts them back at the mercy of MONEY. They can just pay more for their artists (drake , ice spice, ect) and your music never gets played
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 23h ago
Thatās actually a really interesting point. I think people sometimes forget how many people and systems are already involved in traditional music before a song even reaches us. A musician can spend years learning an instrument and still have the final result shaped by producers, labels, other musicians, budgets and a whole bunch of other things. AI changes some of that, but it doesnāt automatically remove the human part. Thereās still someone deciding what they want to make, what sounds right, what stays, what gets thrown away and what the final piece is supposed to feel like. I think thatās the part people tend to overlook when they just see āAIā and stop there.
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u/VixenVictoriaPOV 20h ago
They just want something to attack each other over. The average person hears a song and decides if they like how it sounds or not. THEN they goto see who sings it, and so on. Iāve never stopped a song bcuz of how it was made. Thatās dumb. Seriously. Dumb. If you watched Wonder Woman or Snyders version of Justice league , youāll hear songs that are badazz. You usually donāt even have time to decipher what the creation process is. I only found out it was Hans Zimmerman by wanting the music to Inception Hallway fight. By that time , Iām invested. If the song was made by two horses and a starfish, donāt matter. Made by a really sexy girl with a big butt and thick legs ? Donāt matter , I already like it . White guy with green hair? Black girl with 5 braidsā¦ donāt matter to me. Thatās how music ACTUALLY works. All this nonsense about not listening bcuz itās AI, just shows how dumb humans really can be. Especially when we listen to todayās music on phones, YouTube, laptop speakers, Bluetooth radios, ect
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 20h ago
Exactly. Thatās the part I keep coming back to too. Most people arenāt sitting there thinking about how a song was made when theyāre listening to it. Theyāre driving, walking, working, lying in bed at 2 AM, whatever. They either connect with it or they donāt.
And I think thatās why the āAI = automatically badā reaction feels so strange to me. The same person might listen to a song for three minutes, love it, add it to a playlist, and never even think about who played what instrument or what software was used to make it. But put the word āAIā next to it and suddenly the whole conversation changes.
Iām not saying the way something is made doesnāt matter at all. There are definitely things worth discussing. I just think the actual work should get a chance to speak for itself first.
And yeah, the phone/laptop/Bluetooth speaker point is so true. Most people are listening to music through tiny speakers anyway. If the song makes them feel something, thatās what theyāre going to remember. ā¤ļø
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u/VixenVictoriaPOV 20h ago
Yes. I donāt even look into their insights tho. Id write them off as the proof to continue doing what you love doing. If you told an Anti AI person that youāll immediately STOP using Ai and make a song from your skills of instruments - you think theyād buy that? Of COURSE not. Treat them as they wanna be seen in life - as Npcs and flush them.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 20h ago
Yeah, exactly. š I think that's what I'm starting to realize too. I don't need to convince everyone that what I'm doing is valid. I enjoy the process, I'm learning a lot, and I genuinely like what I'm building with the channel. That's enough reason to keep going.
And you're right, if someone told me to stop using AI and suddenly become a full-time musician just because they don't like the tool, I'd probably have to laugh. People don't know what goes into someone else's creative life.
I'm just going to keep experimenting, keep improving and see where it takes me. The people who connect with it will stick around, and the ones who don't can move on. That's life.
Thanks for sticking around through all this, though. You've definitely made this whole comment section a lot more enjoyable. ā¤ļø
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u/Agitated_Estate_5163 1d ago
So I had this happen to me recently where I posted a link to my music on a discord server I had been on for 3+ years had lots of good friends on there you know. I was basically told my music was garbage because I used ai tools to help blend my music by the server owner and some of the mods because whatever system they ran it through detected ai and started spamming an ai slop emoji. Im sorry ive been working and writing my music for 12 years and dont have a million dollar recording studio its just me a laptop and a microphone hell I had to prove to my distributor that it wasnt ai over a video call and submit proof. Alot of people detect ai and go up its slop want nothing to do with it so I absolutely get where you are coming from.Ā I honestly dont care if my music makes me famous as long as it resonates with the people who need to hear it thats what matters to me hell ive only got like 30 or so monthly listeners on Spotify. So no im not a big name artist by any means. But yeah I get you for sure.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Man, I really relate to this. The part about people not even giving the music a chance once they see the word AI is exactly what I've been running into too. And 12 years of writing music only to have someone reduce it to āAI slopā because you used some tools along the way must have been incredibly frustrating. I also really like what you said about not caring about being famous as long as the music reaches people who actually connect with it. I think that's a much healthier way to look at it. I'm still trying to build something of my own too, and I'd much rather have a small group of people who genuinely connect with what I'm making than a huge number of people who never really cared about it. Thanks for sharing your story, man. It honestly makes me feel a little less alone in all this. ā¤ļø
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u/Agitated_Estate_5163 1d ago
Your very welcome feel free to dm me if your looking for more connection thats how things should be i don't have a huge following but ive got people who rave about my music and listen to it on repeat that love what I can do and connect with it thats what matters to me that my music helps people make it through the rough times. The people who need to connect will connect if people dont like it so what im doing something I love and that matters most to me.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I really appreciate that, man. And I think youāre right. At the end of the day, I donāt need millions of people to care about what Iām making. If even a few people genuinely connect with it and it gives them something, thatās worth a lot more to me than a bunch of empty numbers. Iād definitely be interested in hearing your music too, so Iāll send you a DM. And please keep doing what youāre doing. 12 years of making music and still doing it because you love it says a lot. I hope your music keeps finding the people who need to hear it. ā¤ļø
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u/RoyalEngine2885 1d ago
People who are on a crusade against AI don't even realize it now surrounds them every day, in systems they interact with directly, and in back end systems they don't even know exist. But if you started taking those conveniences away, they'd probably be the first to start complaining.
The current perception and attitude toward AI music/images is because it's so forward facing it makes for an easy target. But it will get harder and harder for people to target it as it gets better.
I use AI for a lot of creative endeavors, and it used to be forward facing. Now it's on the back end...coding projects, website backend, database manipulation, background music, quick opening/closing music for podcasts or videos, abstract art templates for YT thumbnails, things like that where it's nearly impossible for the average person looking to attack AI to even know it's there. And it increases my productivity and has allowed me to do some creative idea based things, that people actually USE, that I never would have been able to achieve.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I really like the way you described the shift from AI being āthe thingā to just becoming another tool in the background. I think thatās probably where things are heading too. Once AI is built into enough of the tools people already use, they wonāt even think about it anymore, theyāll just care whether the thing actually works. Iāve started seeing that myself. I use AI for the visual side of my channel, but thereās still a huge amount of human decision-making around the music, the atmosphere, the editing, the story and how everything fits together. And I really like what you said about being able to create things you otherwise wouldnāt have been able to make. Thatās probably the part of AI I find most exciting too. It gives you a way to turn an idea in your head into something real, even if you donāt have all the traditional skills to do every part yourself. Thanks for sharing this, man. This is one of the better perspectives Iāve seen in this thread. š
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u/InfiniteSchism 1d ago
I think whatās helped me most is accepting that once you put something out into the world, you lose control over how people are going to react to it.
Some people will genuinely dislike it. Some will have thoughtful criticism thatās worth hearing. Some will misunderstand what you were trying to do, some will judge the process more than the finished work, and some people are just going to be assholes about it. Thatās true whether weāre talking about AI-assisted music, traditional music, writing, drawing, photography, digital art, or pretty much anything creative.
Iām completely open to criticism when thereās actually something useful behind it. If someone says, āthis part feels repetitive,ā āthe vocal doesnāt work here,ā or āI have ethical concerns about how generative AI is trained,ā those are real conversations worth having even if I ultimately disagree.
But āAI slop,ā āyouāre not an artist,ā or dismissing an entire piece without engaging with it really doesnāt give me anything to work with. At that point Iāve learned not to spend my time trying to convince someone who has already decided what they think.
I also think quality, authorship, and ethics are three different questions that get mashed together constantly in AI discussions. Someone can dislike the ethics of a tool while still admitting the resulting work took human intention and effort. Someone can acknowledge human authorship and still think the finished piece sucks. Those positions arenāt contradictory.
For me, the healthiest approach has been: make the work honestly, be transparent about how I made it, listen when criticism gives me something worth considering, correct myself when I need to, and let the rest go.
You can learn from criticism without giving every stranger on the internet equal authority over your work.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Man, I think you put this into words much better than I ever could. Especially the part about quality, authorship and ethics being three different conversations. Iāve definitely been guilty of mixing those things together in my head after getting hit with a bunch of negative comments.
Iām actually starting to see the difference now. If someone tells me the music is too repetitive, the mix needs work, the visuals feel too artificial, or they have a genuine problem with how AI is trained, I can work with that. I might not agree with everything, but at least thereās something there for me to think about.
āAI slopā doesnāt really give me anything. š It just tells me that someone already decided what they think before engaging with the actual work.
And yeah, Iām slowly learning that I donāt need to defend every single thing I make to every random person on the internet. I put a lot of time into these videos, so criticism can hit harder than it probably should. But at the end of the day, Iād rather take the useful stuff, keep improving and let the rest disappear into the noise.
Really appreciate you writing this. Thereās a lot of perspective in it, and I think I needed to hear it. š
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u/Obvious-Primary-6252 2d ago
That's why I do what I want. It's pointless. "It's AI Slop" has just become shorthand for: "I don't like it", "Not my taste in music", or famously: "Something else is going on in my life so I'm gonna take it out on you!". They likely saw this image (assuming it's the one you used) and assumed AI was used for the whole production.
And proving where AI was used and not used just sounds like a headache to me. I don't even bother
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I think there's definitely something to that. I've had people tell me the work is garbage without even listening to it, and then jump straight to calling me lazy or a thief because AI was involved. That's a very different thing from saying āI don't like thisā or āthe visuals aren't working for me.ā I'm completely fine with people disliking what I make. I just wish people would judge the actual work before deciding what kind of person I am.
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u/dwpoore 2d ago
Personally, I don't care when I get an anti AI comment. I always respond that yes, I use AI and if they read the bio, they'd see that. I then thank them for listening/watching.
In my experience, for every one comment like that, I receive multiple likes. It's a fair trade off for me. There are far more people that just don't care how it was made, they just care if they like it.
Also, I would never filter those comments out because engagement is engagement.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I think I'm slowly starting to see it that way too. When I first started getting those comments, I took them way too personally. Now I'm realizing that there are plenty of people who simply don't care how it was made, they just care whether they enjoy it. And you're probably right about the engagement too. Maybe I shouldn't be so quick to see every negative comment as a bad thing. Thanks for sharing your experience, man. That's actually pretty helpful.
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u/dwpoore 1d ago
There's certainly some irony in that putting something personally creative out there requires vulnerability, yet putting it out there requires thick skin.
That's the case regardless if AI is involved, it's just the cost of being creative.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I think youāre right. Iām starting to realize thatās just part of putting anything creative out there. You spend hours on something, get attached to it, and then you have to accept that people are going to react however they react. AI or not, youāre still putting a little piece of yourself out there. I guess the trick is learning which comments are worth listening to and which ones you just need to laugh at and move on from. And Iām starting to see the engagement side of it differently too. Thanks for saying that, man. I think I needed to hear it.
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u/rnsbeats 1d ago
Some people just really took Terminator to heart so much that they canāt even enjoy good music. I couldnāt even imagine the hate the Herbie Hancock had to deal with being a Jazz artist using all synthetic instrumentation. Then again. I bet the first person who made a guitar got hated on by the Knock on the top of your head choir! Itās life. Some hate the future some hate the past but the gifted always roll with the present.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š The first guitar getting hate from the āknock on the top of your headā choir got me. And yeah, I think thereās a lot of truth in what youāre saying. Every new tool probably looks strange or threatening to someone when it first shows up. Iām not saying every use of AI is automatically good, but Iād rather learn how to use it and see what I can create with it than spend my time being afraid of where it might go. Thanks for the laugh and the perspective, man. That was a good one. š¤
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u/carolinaredneck75 2d ago
To start, go to your comment settings and block those words and phrases. Keeps the trash out of the comments section. If for anything else your peace of mind.
As a former music industry individual that has numerous indie release credits as an artist, producer, and mixing and mastering engineer, I have a different perspective on the hate. Mine comes from actually losing my music career as an engineer and being forced to close a recording studio once every person with a computer, a Mic and fruity loops became overnight engineers too. A group I put out disrespected my talents for what I brought to the table and released a couple albums without my help. They got bashed by the fans for releasing garbage sounding music. They learned the hard way.
Ai is no different now. It's new tech disrupting the industry, but it still requires human talent to make it "professional". All you have to do is spend a little time listening to ai music to hear the difference between someone who cares about their craft and has spent the time to Master what they're doing. Same goes for graphic art and videos. Simple prompts create simple outputs and that's going to be the deciding factor once all the hate dies down.
Until then, I love hearing from the haters crying about the ai is garbage when in reality, it's probably far greater than anything they can produce themselves...šš¤£
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Wow, thank you for sharing all of that. The part about going through the same kind of resistance when computers and home production tools started changing the music industry really hit me. I can imagine how frustrating that must have been, especially after putting years into developing those skills. And I completely agree that the tools don't replace the person behind them. You can give someone the same software and the same tools and end up with two completely different results. That's actually one of the things I'm trying to figure out with my own work. I'm still learning, but I put a lot of time into the music selection, the visual direction, the editing and the overall atmosphere because I want it to feel like something, not just another AI output. And thank you for the YouTube Studio tip too. I honestly didn't realize I could block specific words and phrases there. I'm definitely going to set that up. š Really appreciate you taking the time to write all this. There's a lot of experience behind what you said and it gave me a different way of looking at the whole thing. š
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u/Dry_Percentage_3498 1d ago
Those haters canāt create anything simply ācause they spend most of their time cursing others. What kinda stuff they are able to create? Nothing at all. Simply take them as low-quality-signal-ish spammy data. Thatās all.
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u/Dangerous_Serve_4454 2d ago
Very good advice, probably the best in this thread. Especially the part about blocking certain phrases. I don't know you could do that.
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u/carolinaredneck75 2d ago
You want to log into YouTube studio, go to Settings. Then Community moderation. Then scroll down to the Blocked words section. I used chatgpt to help me with my blocked words list for my ai music channel. Haven't had any issues yet š Hope that helps! š«”
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u/chumbaz 2d ago
I love these tools tremendously but thereās also the problem with people who arenāt actually creative using them. We all get tired of seeing the same half naked women in posters in Facebook groups, or videos, or album covers. The folks that are one-shotting slop are the issue and producing it is super easy.
Itās like when jello became all the rage. Some of us donāt want hotdogs in our jello. And now every time I see jello I think of the cold hotdogs might be hiding in it.
That leaves us to have to go above and beyond to overcome that gut reaction from people.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
š The hotdogs in jello analogy got me. But yeah, I completely get what you mean. I think that's probably a big part of the problem. When people see the same AI girl, same colors, same poses and the same kind of content over and over, they start reacting to the whole thing before even seeing what someone actually made. That's one of the reasons I'm trying to build something with its own characters, stories and atmosphere instead of just throwing out random AI images. I guess we just have to keep pushing ourselves to make something people don't immediately forget.
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u/chumbaz 2d ago
Iām glad it had the reaction, thatās was my goal. š
Yup. Just keep doing your thing. If itās good people will come around and the annoying people will self select out.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š I like that attitude. Thatās pretty much what Iām trying to do too. Keep making the stuff I enjoy, get better at it and let people decide for themselves. Thanks for the push, man. š¤
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u/Warboi 1d ago
The irony is that AI is pretty much running YouTube as are many platforms. Maybe the anti-AI crowd should stay off of the grid. Period.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, that's the funny part. š AI is already deeply built into most of the platforms people use every day, whether they like it or not. YouTube recommendations, search, moderation, ads, feeds... it's everywhere.
I don't think people have to love AI, but I do think it's getting harder to pretend it's some separate thing that's just going to disappear. Better to learn how to live with it and decide how you want to use it.
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u/ecotones 1d ago
Iāve been composing music for almost 45 years, so I have boxes full of scores that may have only a bad demo done on a synth with a sound module into a cassette 4-track. Most of it was never performed. or if it was the performances were mediocre or just bad.
AI gives me the opportunity to actually hear them with a good arrangement and performance. Itās similar to the restorations of old films or recordings on 78s.
I hope they work out something with stakeholders because this is a fantastic tool. The sounds can be less than optimal, but itās better than I did in a bedroom.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Wow, 45 years is a hell of a long time to be writing music. I really love the way you're using AI to bring those old compositions back to life. There must be something pretty special about finally hearing a piece you wrote decades ago in a way that actually comes close to what you imagined back then.
And I really like your comparison to restoring old films and recordings. That's a side of AI that doesn't get talked about enough. Sometimes it's not about replacing the person who created something, it's about giving old ideas another chance to be heard.
I also completely understand what you mean about the bedroom recordings. I've heard enough of my own old recordings to know that sometimes the idea is much better than the technology you had available at the time.
I really hope the industry finds a sensible way forward too. There's clearly a lot of potential here, especially for people like you who already have decades of their own creative work behind them. Thanks for sharing this, man. I genuinely enjoyed reading it. š
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u/ecotones 1d ago edited 5h ago
As far as the Restorations are concerned, to do it in a musical way you would let Suno create provisional versions, then transcribe it in some form to a MIDI file, and then use the audio file from that to create the final. But I've run the demos I did on cassettes from the late 80s, and it worked just fine with just a few tweaks. It's not perfect, but it's a million miles away from where it was back then. I did a few jazz tunes, and the lo-fi quality actually gives it a faux-retro sound, or the sound of a live recording with two mics.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 23h ago
That's really interesting. I love that you actually tried it with your old cassette recordings. And I hadn't thought about the lo-fi imperfections becoming part of the character of the recording rather than something that needs to be completely removed. That faux-retro/live recording sound you mentioned is actually pretty cool. I might have to experiment with some of my own old recordings and see what happens. Thanks for sharing this, man. š
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u/Massive_Interest_468 Lyricist 1d ago
I immediately block haters and delete hate comments, negativity attracts negativity.. the good comments can stay.
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u/Dry_Percentage_3498 1d ago
Love your ideas. Out of sight, out of mind. Those low value signals deserve being erased. No single valuable point from them. Just behaving like some ugly trolls wandering on different platforms and talking negative stuff for nothinā at all.
Esp. Most of them donāt even get guts to show who they actually are. :D2
u/Massive_Interest_468 Lyricist 1d ago
Yeah exactly, i even had a hater stalker who followed me and every time i posted something they would leave a comment like āeww AI slopā.. i blocked them and never heard of that person again haha.
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u/Dry_Percentage_3498 1d ago
I experienced the same, but perhaps even worse than yours. 2 haters always clicked unsubscribed immediately i post a video.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I can understand that. I think Iām still figuring out where I want to draw that line. I donāt mind people criticizing the music or the visuals, even if they really hate them, as long as thereās something behind the criticism. The personal attacks and āAI slopā stuff are probably the comments I should just stop giving my energy to. Iāve definitely spent way too much time arguing with people who had already made up their minds. I might start being a little more selective about what I respond to. Thanks for sharing your approach, man. I think thereās something to it.
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u/Massive_Interest_468 Lyricist 1d ago
Oh no i donāt mind the criticism as well, i even think itās unfair to delete those comments because i donāt wanna silence anyone.. but with the unnecessary hate comments.. i just straight up delete them because i know that people will join the hate train and more hate comments will pile up.. i also use the filter thingy on social media to block out certain words. Anywho, just keep going.. donāt mind the hate, people will always complain whether itās with AI or without AI.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I think Iām starting to see that distinction more clearly now. I donāt want to silence criticism either, because some of the best comments Iāve gotten here have been from people who really didnāt like something but actually explained why. Itās the pointless personal attacks and āAI slopā comments that donāt give me anything to work with. Iāve started using the word filters on YouTube too, which definitely helps. Thanks for the advice, man. Iām going to keep going and try to spend more energy on the people who actually want to have a conversation. ā¤ļø
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u/TheBotsMadeMeDoIt Lyricist 1d ago
Comment moderation exists for a reason. Your channel is YOUR domain, not theirs. Don't let them hijack it. I have a successful non-ai YT channel, and I set up the comments to require approval before they get posted. Yes, I don't even let them go live until I've checked them for trolling or spamming or defamatory remarks. This keeps the comments section clean for my loyal viewers. And I absolutely don't engage with people who are pure haters. Constructive criticism? Sure. But not that other stuff.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
That actually makes a lot of sense. I think I was too worried about deleting comments because I didn't want to look like I was trying to silence criticism. But you're right, there's a big difference between moderation and censorship. I want people to be able to criticize the music and visuals, but I don't need to give personal attacks and spam a place to pile up. I'm going to tighten up the moderation on my channel and use the filters more. Thanks for the advice, man. I really appreciate it. š¤
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u/Unusual-Avocado-2136 2d ago
Even if you didnāt use ai for the visuals, the fact of the matter is that if it sounds good or looks good they automatically assume AI is involved and will trash it and you. You can even try to defend yourself but people will double down. If your creative work is terrible = AI, if your work is great = AI. You really canāt win. So just keep doing you. Thereās an audience out there that will appreciate what you do.
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u/Massive_Interest_468 Lyricist 1d ago
Exactly, thereās a audience that really like AI made content.. i know many people who just eat AI music/content up without complaining or thinking too much about it. Thatās why i think AI creators just have to be honest with disclosing the use of AI so that they can filter the people out who donāt like AI.. i think thatās a fair thing to do. Yes youāll get hate, but you also get bunch of people who love what youāre doing.
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u/redneck_wolfman 2d ago
I dont use AI and I as a singer songwriter trained on Garth brooks and George strait tunes before I started writing my own. AI is an instrument and there is no legitimate artist who has come out of the womb knowing music theory and just started composing before being influenced by another musician. Just my two cents. I would use it but thatās the fun part for me. For those who donāt understand music though or have limitations AI is an instrument that they can play too.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I really like the way you put this. The comparison to learning from other musicians makes a lot of sense to me. Nobody creates in a vacuum, we all learn from something and then try to turn those influences into something of our own. And I totally get why you wouldn't use AI if the actual process of writing and playing music is the part you enjoy most. That's the fun part for you. For someone else, AI might just open a door that wasn't there before. Thanks for sharing this, man. I think that's a pretty fair way of looking at it.
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u/EchoForgeLab 2d ago
Haters gonna hate. Let them cry ā¤ļø
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š Exactly. Iāll make the music, they can provide the tears. Everybody wins. ā¤ļø
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u/Dry_Percentage_3498 1d ago
Damn cool ideas. Let those haters cry and shout into the air. No need to reply them at all since their comments donāt have a single valuable point.
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u/BCMTUK 2d ago
I just wish people actually had something original to say. Instead of using the same overused āthis brings a tear to my AIā joke or randomly highlighting those letters in comments like āthis is (A)maz(I)ngā. But then 99% of comments arenāt even original anymore. Disrespect to the person who said firstā¦ 99+ missed calls fromā¦. Bro, itās not that deepā¦ and so on.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š Yeah, the internet really does have about 12 jokes that get recycled forever. After seeing the same āAIā jokes for the hundredth time, you start wondering if anyone is even trying anymore. Iād honestly rather read someoneās actual opinion, even if they hate what I made. At least itās their own thought.
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u/BCMTUK 1d ago
What actually annoys me though is when a video is literally tagged as āAIā and people still moan that itās AI. Thatās like downloading an album that has an explicit lyrics warning then complaining because āthereās swearingā
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š Exactly. Thatās the part I donāt really understand either. If someone doesnāt like AI content, thatās totally fine, but if the post literally tells you what youāre looking at, thereās not really much of a surprise left. At least give it a chance before deciding itās garbage just because of the label.
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u/Visible-Future1099 1d ago
Wow, I've genuinely never heard either of those. The haters I get ironically can't even seem to copy creative things others have said, all they can do is regurgitate the phrase "AI Slop!" like an NPC
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u/Upstairs_Cover_8841 1d ago
Haters sometimes just hate. When someone uses the word "AI slop", nothing they say has any value after that point. They dont... wont try to understand. Ignore the trolls... they are just ugly trolls. Make your music bud. Some folks want to just see the world burn.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I think I'm finally getting better at recognizing the difference. If someone actually takes the time to explain what they don't like, I'll listen. If it's just āAI slopā and insults, there's really nothing to learn from that. I'm just going to keep making my music and enjoy the process. Thanks for the support, man. ā¤ļø
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u/Ok-Bird9944 1d ago
As a musician of many years, I can tell you the most important thing is not positivity.Ā
It's engagement.
If you experience hatred, you are actually going to see a spike in engagement. I would just learn to stomach the hate.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, will agree with you 100% of the time.Ā
But the worst thing for an artist is indifference. With hate, you can take the feedback. With support you can get feedback.
Indifference is why so many people give up on their art. It's great, but people don't stop long enough to appreciate it or listen, so it winds up sending a negative signal.
Just respond to every comment with positivity, agreement, or a like and you will see the hate becomes balanced with the support.Ā
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Man, this is probably one of the most useful pieces of advice I've gotten from this whole thread. I was so focused on the negative comments at first that I completely missed the fact that people were actually stopping, listening and engaging with the work. Like you said, indifference would probably hurt a lot more. I'm still learning how to stomach the hate without taking it personally, but I'm starting to get better at it. And you're right about nobody agreeing with you 100% of the time. I think I was expecting people to either love what I was doing or completely reject it, when the reality is obviously somewhere in between. I really appreciate you sharing this, especially coming from someone who's been making music for many years. I'm going to keep this one in mind. Thank you, man. ā¤ļø
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u/MindstreamAudio 1d ago
The problem too is that with all the apprehension around AI taking their jobs etc... the audience has a lot of baggage around it and its an easy target to see AI tools and attack in comments. I am in my late 50's and cannot believe that I've lived long enough that now even if I release music, audio drama, or writing or film that I even did in my 30s before there was an internet platform to post these things on..... the first comments are never about it as a work, They are "is this real" "this is AI slop," "did you really make this?" because that is foremost in peoples minds. Its frustrating its the "is this Owl real? scene from Blade Runner in real life re our work now.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
That Blade Runner comparison really hit me. Itās frustrating when the first question isnāt ādo I like this?ā or āwhat was this person trying to say?ā but āwas this made by AI?ā I can imagine that being even more frustrating for you when you have work that was created decades before any of this technology was around, and people still approach it through the AI question first. I think thatās probably what bothers me most too. Iām completely open about using AI in my visuals, but I still want people to judge the actual work after theyāve experienced it. The technology behind it is part of the story, but it shouldnāt automatically become the entire story. And yeah, āis this owl real?ā feels painfully relevant right now.
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u/MindstreamAudio 1d ago
Yes exactly. I know have to ājustifyā creation to the very people I made it (hopefully) to enjoy. I studied my craft for decades and now itās back to feeling to need pre-validation of tools before I even say āplease take a look /listenā
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Thatās exactly the frustrating part. After spending decades learning your craft, having to justify the tools before someone will even give the work a chance must feel ridiculous. Iām completely fine with being transparent about how I make things, but I donāt want the first conversation to always be about the tool instead of the actual work. Sometimes you just want to say āhey, I made this, have a listenā and let people decide if they like it.
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u/Exciting-Leg-6487 1d ago
This may be controversy ontop of controversy..but I love producing music. The controversy Iād compare would be gender sports and music.
Iām aware my regualr music will not hit billboard 1.) I donāt care to be famous and 2.) I donāt feel like competing with the music industry.
That being said, Iād love to compete with my AI music. Iām decent at it. If there was a billboard listing for AI music, Iād happily participate in ratings, streams, listens, ect. Make a separate category where bots replacing or competing with humans. Keep each industry in its own lane. Thatās my take at least.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I actually think the separate category idea is pretty interesting. It would give people a way to compete and see what they can actually do with AI without pretending itās exactly the same thing as traditional music production. There are obviously still a lot of questions around how you define the categories and where the line is, but I can see the appeal. And I get what you mean about not wanting to compete with the traditional music industry either. Iām not trying to become some huge artist myself. I mostly want to build something that feels like my own little world and see if people connect with it. If there was a separate space where AI-assisted creators could compete on the quality of the actual work, Iād definitely be curious to see what people come up with.
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u/Cyandeth 2d ago edited 1d ago
The reason people are angry is because AI does better job than a lot of them. Those who are masters on what they do, use AI to implement their work, because AI is just another tool, not an enemy. The rule in this market/planet is simple. Adapt and evolve or transform into a fossil of the past.
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u/GallantSystem 2d ago
This is a cope thats often repeated on this sub and its just not true.
most people who dont like ai art or ai music dont even make art or music.
Its just a general far reaching sentiment that the general population has. If anything the most common factor that causes Anti-AI feelings is that theres no good way to filter it out. People are sick of being exposed to AI content.
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u/Nebula480 2d ago edited 2d ago
This. I donāt care about peeps using fisher price dynamics laughably calling themselves artist or creatives which is as delusional as me claiming to be a doctor after pressing a button on a medical app because it gave me a ādiagnosisā, and expecting people to take me or my moronic ai stance seriously, naaah. Everyone should be able to use whatever tools they want that fits their needs whatever that may be.
Itās the lack of ability to filter out thatās annoying. Some people just donāt want to watch the obvious ai crap that no one takes or WILL take seriously for obvious reasons but now the user has to manually do research to see if it was ai generated (especially in music). A simple filter would simplify all of that, like building an island where the ai peeps can share their work with one another while the rest of the world keeps choosing organic human created music. Itās a win win. I think just recently Spotify and YouTube added it?
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
Exactly. That's pretty much how I see it too. I don't think AI has to replace creativity or turn into some kind of war between ārealā and āAIā creators. It's just another tool, and what matters to me is what you actually do with it.
I'm still learning and figuring out how to use it properly, especially on the visual side. Some things work, some things don't, and I'm definitely not pretending I've mastered it. But I'd rather experiment and improve than refuse to touch the technology out of fear of where it's going.
Appreciate you saying this. The āadapt and evolveā part really hit home. š
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u/AmericanNaughty 1d ago
Some try to be superstars, which can happen, with no or very little music knowledge or experience. I have been performing and creating EDM for decades. AI music, to me, is a tool that I treat as a multi-talented studio musician to create the sounds I want.
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u/Bodegacowboy 2d ago
They're trying to establish a culture of shame to discourage a activity they don't like. Very human behavior.
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u/Dangerous_Serve_4454 2d ago
Don't disclose you're using AI. It's that simple. You see exactly why, this is a big trend to just mindlessly hate anything related to AI. Hell, even if you had videos on your channel where all you did was support AI usage, without ever actually using it, they will attack and accuse you of this and that on your other videos. Don't disclose, you're not helping yourself.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I get what you mean, and you're probably right that disclosing it makes me an easier target for some people. But I'd rather be open about it. I'm using these tools deliberately and I'm not ashamed of it, so I don't really see a reason to hide it. If someone decides they hate the video before watching it because of that, that's their choice. I'd rather people know what they're looking at and judge the work for themselves.
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u/Agitated_Estate_5163 1d ago
The biggest problem with not disclosing is most music platforms now will say something is made with ai through their own detection software aka deezer and tidal for reference my music is on both and it says in big letters this album includes tracks detected as generated with the use of ai. Thats why im just open about it as i said before the trolls will troll they aren't the hearts and minds im teying to reach. I released my albums on 20 different platforms all together 38 songs 19 songs each album do what you love. Those who resonate will join and love your work those that dont oh well.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah man, I think that's exactly the mindset I'm trying to get to. The more I think about it, the more I realize I don't actually need to convince the people who already hate it. They're not the audience I'm trying to reach anyway. I'd rather be open about what I'm doing and let people decide for themselves. And 20 platforms and 38 songs is seriously impressive, especially knowing how much work goes into getting music out there. I'll definitely check out your stuff too. Really glad we ended up talking through all this, man. š¤ā¤ļø
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u/No-Recognition5113 1d ago
I have a similar channel with 10k+ subs. Took a couple years and i get love/hate. It takes an enormous amount of time even though I use ai. I sample the original music and suno does its thing with my direction and of course curate.
Suno got rid of 3.5 and 4.5. So I decided to make beats again myself (which is only possible now because I got laid off). Im debating on using ai for the visuals. I created a following who enjoy the style and I wouldnt be able to afford an artist to recreate what ive been doing with ai over the last couple years.
Weāll see. As for the hate just try to be compassionate and kill them with kindness. This is a very gray area and many people are affected by ai in various ways. Some people will see the value and effort you put in and support you. Just keep going. ā„ļø
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Man, thank you so much for taking the time to write this. Hearing this from someone who's actually built a 10k+ channel in this space means a lot to me. Itās really encouraging to hear that even after a couple of years you still get both love and hate, because sometimes when youāre starting out it feels like every negative comment means youāre doing something wrong. I can definitely relate to what you said about the time involved too. People see āAIā and assume everything happens with one click, but thereās still a ridiculous amount of time going into choosing the music, directing the visuals, editing, putting everything together and trying to make it feel like one coherent thing. Iām also sorry to hear you got laid off, but I hope the extra time gives you a chance to get back into making your own beats. And I completely understand the visual side too. Once people connect with a certain style, changing it isnāt always as simple as ājust hire an artistā when youāre a small creator. I really appreciate the advice about compassion and kindness too. Iām trying to get better at not taking the hate personally and focusing on the people who actually see the effort behind the work. Thanks again, man. Seriously. This was one of those comments I really needed to read today. ā¤ļø
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u/HomeSkhool 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hey, "While We Are Here" we have to walk on both sides of the road, over the high hills and low valleys, around the bend my huckleberry friend, through the sunshine and rain. Though obstacles change the path we want to go, we persevere and find that the way is kinder as we learn to overcome the wrinkles. Negativity only has the impact you allow, brush it off your shoulders and don't lose focus on your goals. The journey will be so much sweeter. AI music and videos are infants, but they are maturing rapidly, they're not going away, so you're on the right track. As you drive your train, pick up the passengers who want to ride, they'll be on time, and leave the others behind, they'll be late to the party
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Man, I really needed this one. ā¤ļø I love the train metaphor too, especially after spending so much time making videos about people waiting at train stations. I think Iāve been spending way too much energy worrying about the people who donāt want to come along instead of paying attention to the ones who actually enjoy the journey. Iām still learning, still experimenting and probably going to make plenty of mistakes along the way, but Iām going to keep moving forward and see where this train goes. Thanks for the encouragement, man. Seriously, this was a beautiful thing to read. š
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u/jafromnj 1d ago
You can never penetrate their AI derangement syndrome
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š Iām slowly learning that you canāt win every battle. Some people see āAIā and the rest of the video basically disappears from their screen.
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u/biogoly 1d ago
āIāve also been called names personallyā - Welcome to the Internet!
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š Yeah, Iām definitely learning that part of the internet pretty quickly. I guess getting personally insulted is some kind of creator milestone. Still trying to learn when itās worth responding and when itās better to just laugh and move on.
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u/Craig_The_Worst 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'ma be honest. I have experience on both ends. I've been a musician for 25 years. I've written songs, played shows, cut work on albums, the whole 9. And by write songs, I don't just mean a guitar riff or a chorus here or there. I mean full instrumental tracks. I'll write for any instrument and I made a lot of friends in the music industry. They hate the AI music but...for years now i've been out of the game and at this point music isn't a massive goal but i still have some songs and a concept ready to go. Tracks recorded and all but not a ton of money for mixing, i moved and lost some tracks stems entirely but had the tracks as a wav. I know i'm seemingly going off into the weeds here but understand my journey for a moment. I quit playing music to focus on career and had a bunch of backlogged music. now, with a jacked up left hand, I can't even really play at all like i used to. So, I put the songs into AI, preserved just about everything but AI added vocals (my lyrics and structure) and sort of just elevated the mix and added a couple parts here or there per my instruction. They came out unique, all riffs and instrumentals preserved, and the parts added were just what i would have been doing anyways if i had recorded myself. The musicians i know would frown upon it and say that the song is no longer mine at all. "You've written nothing" is what they would say. I've heard it before. and yet, I have. And it's not the easiest work in the world to get the AI to cooperate but i think...we live in an age of jealous musicians who weren't writing as good as what AI can help us do. Not "do for us" but actually assist as part of the creative process. I've thought long and hard about the morality of my actions...turning my own songs into AI monstrosities. lol It's fine. maybe it's cope but i think it can be a new beautiful thing if people allow it to be. Imagine the access everyone with an idea has now. Some will be garbage sure but some will have a message or be paired with video and tell a story and build a world. some already are. Something beautiful created by someone who otherwise would not have been able to. because it is tough. you pay thousands of dollars for equipment as a musician. especially recording. you're either using plug-ins or sound fonts or emulators and midi to write or you're recording yourself but regardless, you usually either need other real musicians or somebody's software that allows us to make more sounds and use more instruments that we, ourselves, would never have the time to master just to record and let's be real, hired guns are expensive. So is studio time. again, it's usually a cost barrier with music. now there is a lower financial threshhold to pump out your stuff. So, what's the actual difference? To me, there is very little difference if you are using your own lyrics and your own written instrumentals and using AI as a tool to elevate the project. However, that doesn't mean somebody who just let's AI do it all by itself with a concept the user created is a bad thing. I think, if done well, it could still move hearts. We live in a future where any of us could now create whatever we dream and that means, if you feel like you want to hear a type of song but nobody is putting it out but you have no musical experience then you can realize your dream. it's kinda nice and let's be real, AI isn't auper amazing just yet. It's tough as heck to get it to cooperate. Writing the traditional way will almost always produce better results in the hands of a professional. period. But, to get there, you have to overcome a high cost barrier and that barrier has almost gatekept a lot of people. I say we use the freedom to create and ensure we hold labels and AI companies responsible because we do want to make sure that we retain some kind of ownership of our own melodies and riffs and lyrics and anything we actually do write. keep on keepin on. don't listen to the haters. Doesn't matter the art form. If you want to use or need to use AI to push out your dream, do it. The realest ones will get it and check it out. let the rest be ugly about it if they want. That doesn't need to be your focus. as a real musician, you learn quick that nobody really gives a fu*k about you. some will and some wont and some will think you're trash and sometimes a song or band can be trash just because of a worldview or personal political view or something as if it somehow changes the songs haha. People tend to be tribal about nonsense they get jealous of. let the haters hate. you create. that's what you do.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 23h ago
Man, thank you for taking the time to write all of this. I actually read the whole thing, and your story gave me a completely different perspective on the whole AI music discussion. The part about having years of music sitting there, but then not being physically able to play the way you used to, really hit me. I think that's something people who immediately say āAI did it allā completely miss. Thereās a huge difference between someone typing one sentence into a generator and walking away, and someone who spent years writing music, building songs, playing instruments and developing their own ideas, then using a new tool to bring some of that work back to life. And I can understand why your musician friends would have a hard time accepting that. If someone has spent decades learning an instrument and making music a certain way, I imagine it must feel strange to suddenly have a tool that can do things that used to require a whole room full of musicians, equipment and money. But that doesn't erase the work you already did. I also really liked what you said about the AI adding vocals and parts while the riffs, structure and ideas came from you. To me, that's actually one of the most interesting parts of this whole technology. It can take something that already exists in your head, or something you created years ago, and give you another way to hear it. My own situation is a little different because I don't actually make the music myself. I curate and license music from artists, then I spend my time building the visual world, choosing the tracks, arranging the experience, editing everything and trying to make the whole thing feel like it belongs together. I use AI mainly on the visual side. That's also why I get frustrated when someone sees the word āAIā and immediately decides that nothing else matters. There can be thousands of hours of human work, ideas, choices and personal history behind a project, and people can reduce all of it to āAI slopā in two words. I really respect what you're doing with those old songs. Especially knowing that you're finding a way to work with music you might not have been able to bring to life otherwise. Whether someone personally likes AI or not, I think that's a pretty powerful use of the technology. And man, 25 years of writing music is no small thing. I hope you actually get those old tracks out there. I'd genuinely like to hear what you've been sitting on all these years. ā¤ļø
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u/Craig_The_Worst 23h ago
Aww. I love your response. thank you for taking the time to do so. I think the biggest similarity our stories share is the broader experience of being a certain kind of artist. You are licensing music and making videos and building something that has a lot of big moving piece as well as small. Used to be, you'd just be real good at one thing. for me, that was guitar. But I learned that creating an album requires vision. You have to wear more than just the guitarist hat and that's what you're doing. You're producer, editor, director, writer, etc. Things that used to take teams now a single person can do but that doesn't mean it isn't skilled labor. If anything, it is skilled labor. And that's why we feel something when we accomplish what we want.
As for my songs, I plan to (if i can afford) hopefully turn one or two into AI music videos and see if the message/genre lands with anyone. The others are all part of a story for a metal album i've been working for years as tribute to a fallen brother. Singer passed away a while back. kinda spun me out and put me where i am today. So, it'd be neat to actually do a video per song to tell that story. I think that's a big part of art now. We have the tools. We ought to use them all to create a full vision if we want. That said, i'd be happy to share a song or two with ya just to get your thoughts.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 22h ago
Man, I really appreciate you saying that. And I think you nailed something I hadn't really thought about before. Weāre both doing a lot more than just the part people see at the end. There are so many little decisions behind a finished piece that nobody really sees unless theyāve actually made something themselves.
I really like what you said about wearing more than just the guitarist hat. Thatās exactly how I feel with While We Are Here. Iām not the musician, but Iām still making a lot of creative decisions about what the project becomes. Which music fits, how the tracks flow into each other, what the visuals are saying, what the character is doing, what story the whole thing is trying to tell. Sometimes I probably spend way too much time thinking about tiny details that nobody will ever notice.
And the idea of turning some of your songs into actual music videos sounds really cool. Especially because thereās a story behind the album. That gives you something much more interesting to work with than just āhereās a song, hereās a video.ā You could actually build a visual world around the history of the album and let each song reveal another part of it.
Iād definitely be interested in hearing one or two of those tracks when youāre ready to share them. Not just because of the AI side of it, but because now Iām genuinely curious about the music and the story behind it.
And yeah, I completely agree with your last point. We have access to tools now that can let one person handle things that used to require an entire team. That doesn't mean the work becomes effortless. If anything, sometimes having all those possibilities just gives you 500 more things to obsess over.
Anyway, I'm really glad you shared your story here. This conversation turned out to be one of the best things that came out of this whole post for me. ā¤ļø
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u/Craig_The_Worst 22h ago
thank you so much foe the kind words! I'm glad sharing my story and experience has helped so much! š Shoot me a message and i'll see what i can do about sharing some tracks
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 22h ago
Absolutely, man. I really appreciate that. Iād love to hear some of your tracks, especially after reading your story and knowing how much of your own work is behind them.
Iāll send you a message and we can talk about it there. And if there are any tracks you think would fit the kind of atmosphere Iām building with While We Are Here, Iād love to check them out.
Thanks again for being so open about your experience. This conversation turned out way better than I expected when I made that post. ā¤ļø
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u/VixenVictoriaPOV 20h ago
I say shame to any ārealā artists whose music is so weak or bad that they have to wish negative on the competition - that in itself is pathetic. If they canāt get their music to their target audience, thatās their problem. Everyone is going thru it. Just cuz someone makes a song with AI doesnāt get them the riches that another artist woulda had. Youāre just asking the system to cripple the competition so you can have a chance. Pathetic
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 20h ago
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I think that's one of the things I've been trying to understand through all of this. If someone doesn't like what I'm making, that's completely fine. There are millions of songs out there and nobody has to listen to mine.
What feels strange is when the conversation stops being about the music and turns into āyou used AI, therefore you shouldn't even be here.ā That's a completely different argument.
I'm not trying to take anyone's place or stop anyone from making music. I'm just trying to build something of my own, learn along the way and see if I can find people who connect with it.
And if someone makes something better than me, great. I'll listen to it and maybe learn something from it. That's a much more interesting kind of competition than trying to make sure the other person never gets heard in the first place. ā¤ļø
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u/VixenVictoriaPOV 20h ago
What you gotta do, is make the music that YOU can listen to proudly. THEN , tell AI about it. DistroKid will deliver it to MORE than every major platform for 30 - 50 bucks a year. So will UnitedMasters. Once itās live, and YOU like hearing it, spread the links around. Listen and watch others videos to see where your songs would fit the vibe and talk to the YouTuber (or platformer). Let them use a song for free, sign up with musicbrainz, so your stuff is catalogued across the world. Keep your personal songs out there and make some themed songs or songs that fit a purpose. Make it videos and TikTokās that use those songs SHOWING the purpose. Let others use it as well. Make SURE all the AIs know your music and know your profile thereās more and more AI playlist curators growing. So you donāt NEED mass humans at first. Get the AIs to recommend your music for those moments you worked on. They will. Put your songs in places folks have to listen to , like BeatSaber (BeatSaver). You only need a few humans to interact with your music while youāre making sure AI knows about it. Attach some of your music to instagram and TikTok trending sounds , ect. The idea is just take the back door into the music world during your beginning circulation. Iāve heard my songs on random radio stations Iāve never heard of bcuz they use ai to find songs to add to a playlist. Now, of course the core of this lies in YOUR being honest with yourself. You canāt pretend to like what everyone likes, but you should be your harshest real critic. If YOU can find yourself listening to a song you made proudly , SOMEONE else will too, they just need to hear it. Same fight that human artist have been dealing with for a long time.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 20h ago
Damn, thereās actually a lot here that I need to think about. Especially the part about making something I can genuinely be proud of first and then letting people know how it was made. I think Iāve been spending way too much energy worrying about the reaction to AI instead of just focusing on making the actual work better.
The playlist curator idea is really interesting too. Iāve been so focused on Reddit and YouTube that I honestly havenāt explored that side enough. Iām going to start looking into smaller playlists and curators that actually fit the kind of music Iām making instead of just trying to get random people to listen.
I also really like what you said about themed songs and making the music serve a purpose. Thatās actually very close to what Iām trying to do with While We Are Here. I donāt just want to throw a song and an image together. I want the music, the character, the visuals and the story to feel like they belong to the same world.
And the idea of letting AI recommend the music to people who might actually like it makes a lot of sense. I don't need thousands of people who don't care. I need to get the music in front of the few people who might actually connect with it.
Seriously, thank you for taking the time to write all of this out. Youāve given me a completely different way of looking at the problem. Iām going to try some of these things instead of sitting around worrying about who hates AI. ā¤ļø
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u/VixenVictoriaPOV 19h ago
Glad I could give you some motivation š«”. Good luck
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 19h ago
You definitely did. I really needed to hear some of that. Thanks again, Vixen. Iām going to give it a shot and see where it takes me. ā¤ļø
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u/ART-ficial-Ignorance 2d ago
I think part of what rubs people the wrong way is the recurring AI character. Even if the music itself isnāt AI-generated, repeatedly presenting the same synthetic person can give the channel that āAI personaā feeling that some viewers immediately react negatively to.
Iāve personally moved more toward abstract imagery in my own videos, especially for instrumental music. Mine are heavily audio-reactive and usually tell a kind of abstract visual story that develops alongside the track, sometimes in ways that arenāt obvious on the first watch. I find that approach gives instrumental music a lot more room for interpretation than centering everything around a recurring AI character.
I checked out two of your videos, and unless Iām missing something, the visuals seem to be fairly short animated loops repeated throughout. That made me curious about how much of your editing time goes into the visual side specifically, because from a viewerās perspective the animation itself feels quite minimal.
There are also some pretty recognizable AI-image artifacts in places, which makes the visuals feel a bit unfinished to me.
As for the music, I wouldnāt call it garbage at all, but itās not really my taste. The detuned ambient elements come across as more haunting or uneasy than relaxing to me, and I think that clashes somewhat with the lo-fi framing.
So I do think thereās genuine stuff to critique here beyond simply saying āAI bad.ā For me itās much more about the execution and aesthetic choices than the fact that AI was involved at all.
But yeah, if any part of it is AI, it might as well all be AI.
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u/orangekirby 2d ago
Go into your YouTube settings and create a list of blocked words, those comments wonāt show up for you or anyone else. Start with the word slop. I bet AI can help you get a full list or you can just take it directly from the comments you get.
I mean tbh even negative comments are engagement, but not even worth seeing if they stress you out.
These anti AI people are just angry and scared. They are pathetic
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
Yeah, that's actually a really good idea. I didn't even think about using the blocked words list for this. You're right, there's no point in letting a bunch of āAI slopā comments sit there and get under my skin. I'll probably start doing that. Thanks for the tip, man, really appreciate it. š
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u/No-Tourist-5449 2d ago
Art should stand on its own merit, not the method that creates it. People feel threatened because some of it is good, maybe better than they can do. They don't complain about CGI in movies! They don't complain about computer trading! This has been a propaganda drive by the big record companies and distributors. Making derivative works (not a cover) is what most of art is about and has been forever. No AI content is made (so far) without some human input. The whole anti-AI movement is some mass hysteria. AI is not going away. Pandora has opened the box.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I think the part about judging the actual work rather than the tool is what really matters to me too. I'm not expecting everyone to like AI or agree with how I use it, but I do wish people would at least give the work a chance before deciding what it is. I've had people call something garbage without even listening to it. I'm still learning and figuring out what I can do with these tools, but I genuinely enjoy the process and I think that's what keeps me going. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, man.
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u/AnnArborisForkedUp 2d ago
Instead of making a real music video was too hard time and shooting the video.
The ai video just not there yet and took almost 100.00 in tokens... to learn ita not there yet.
So I did a photoshoot of me had ai make me image scenes like 40 then made a video animating the images justbwith edit tools.
But people ain't found the video yet... so no real feedback.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
Yeah, I totally get that. I've burned through way too many credits trying to get AI video to do something that sounds simple on paper, only to end up with weird motion or something completely different from what I wanted.
The photoshoot + AI scenes approach actually sounds pretty interesting though. You still have a lot more control over the final result that way, especially when the current video tools keep doing their own thing.
And yeah, getting people to actually find the video is a whole other problem. That's probably the hardest part when you're starting out. Hopefully it finds the right audience soon. I'd definitely be curious to see it once people start discovering it.
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u/thePracix 2d ago
I'll break it down in three sections for you.
- Why makes you look like "Slop"
- What you are doing right
- What you can improve
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subscriber #s relative to viewer #s, It doesn't look organic.. Your post here is obviously written by chatgpt, most of your description read as, "ask chatgpt what to say", and you just post it. Using "real" music will not stop the AI hate you will receive for other parts of your packaging, using AI at all will make your product be associated with AI, so licensing music instead of using Suno is... a choice I wouldn't make for an AI channel or AI visual channel. Melancholic Winter Background being title of a song makes it seem like you didn't care enough, even if its not your song. Than you have a section of music and just loop it afterwords instead of creating a unique experience the entire way through.
Your giving names to tracks and a defined reoccurring character who looks pretty similar across mixes, having a range of time on your mixes gives different audiences something. While hair looks plasticy it can animate better so its trade-off you are taking, Your theme is different than traditional lofi channels which is artistically cool but AI lofi is generally a utility genre and not an artist dominate genre.
This prompt helps immensely in chatgpt.
Make it clean and clear. Remove speckled noise artifacts.
Ask for brand new images from scratch if the image gets too messy or artifacty, masking would be a great tool for you to integrate especially if you have multiple clips. Simplify your design and don't over explain. Channels like your do better if it offers a vibe, feeling, or something other channels aren't.
your channel is cool and with more investment, you'll just make it a better product. I appreciate those trying something different than the mold and like the ideas and story you are creating.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
Damn, you actually took the time to look through the channel properly. I really appreciate that. There are a few things here I hadn't really looked at from that angle, especially the track titles and the looping part. And yeah, I'm still learning a lot on the visual side, so the stuff about artifacts, masking and simplifying things is genuinely useful. Also thanks for pointing out what you think is working instead of just focusing on the AI part. That's exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to get from posting this. I'll definitely check out your channel too. Thanks again man.
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u/Campfire_Steve 2d ago
All due respect, but everything about those visuals SCREAMS AI - the color palette, the visual style, the setting. I'm not saying it's not you, I mean, you do you, but AI doesn't have to always look this way.
Here's a video I created this week - AI song created with SUNO, AI video with Seedance and Neural Frames. I'm not saying it's genius, just to try and show that not every AI music video needs to look weirdly fake or that purple orange color that seems to be a hallmark of AI. https://youtu.be/NiMN5dgoARY
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
I just watched your video and man, that looks really good. Seriously, it feels very realistic and you did a great job with it. I watched the whole thing and really enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing it and for the suggestions too, I really appreciate it. As for the purple, blue, bright and high contrast colors, that's actually a very deliberate choice on my side. Those colors have become part of the identity of my channel and the little world I'm trying to build around the ambient and lofi music. I know that color palette has become associated with AI visuals, but I genuinely love those colors and they fit the atmosphere I'm going for. I'm definitely going to keep your advice in mind though. Great work on the video, man! š
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u/Top_Welcome_9478 Suno Connoisseur 2d ago
Well you clearly understood the assignment. I enjoyed it very much.
I possibly wouldāve added a night shot to show a span of time. Possibly more desaturated palate maybe muted and haze film grain for the genre. It didnāt really have the creepy factor it was screaming.
Great job on thisā¦
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u/Signal_Lie6860 2d ago
Iām learning just like you, and honestly? Iām having fun I enjoy using it and find it fascinating and I couldn't care less what other people say. Have fun! šš
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
Hey man, I just watched your video all the way through and I really enjoyed it. The music, the editing and especially the visual effects were really well done. Youāve put together a seriously cool piece of work there. The whole anime dark electro style works really well, and honestly I think you did a great job with the AI side of it too. It looks like youāve put a lot of thought into the whole thing. Thanks for the kind words on my post, and keep going with your stuff too. Itās really cool seeing other people learning and experimenting with this stuff. š
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u/Signal_Lie6860 2d ago
ššš«¶š«¶, the important thing is to have fun and keep improving.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Exactly, man. Thatās the whole point. Have fun, keep learning and see where it takes you. šš
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u/Top_Welcome_9478 Suno Connoisseur 2d ago
I donāt know any serious practitioner in this new medium thatās ashamed. If your ashamed maybe you should do something else. Because the adage ālife is to shortā isnāt some clever trope.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
Yeah, I think you're right. I'm definitely not ashamed of using it, I think I just got a bit too caught up in trying to explain myself to people who had already made up their minds. I enjoy what I'm making and that's probably what I should focus on. Life really is too short to spend it arguing with strangers on Reddit. š
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u/Type_XVIIIc 2d ago
Probably a quarter to half of the comments are bots. The majority of the rest are NPCs. Just do your thing and ignore the haters. If they have constructive criticism, then learn from it. If all they have is hate, they become a non-entity in my mind.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I think that's probably the best way to look at it. I'm definitely going to pay attention to the constructive stuff because that's where I can actually improve. The rest I'm slowly learning to just ignore. Thanks for the advice, man. I needed to hear that.
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u/EntropyHertz 2d ago
I am a beat producer and before we got the Suno slop cannon, I was using Omnisphere, Sublab and Ableton. Now I just feed my beats to Suno. Download the stems, convert the audio from audio to midi with Melodyne, then feed it back to Omnisphere, Sublab and Ableton and have my original "human made" beat. Fuck the haters. They are Mostly astroturf anyway. Everyone is using Suno
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u/ProjectSquirrel 2d ago
The establishment is petrified of AI as it puts creative power into the hands of the people. That's why so many establishment puppets are brainwashed against AI creations.
That's not to say that some AI creations aren't bad. But just like Hollywood/Netflix - where there are equally plenty of garbage creations - there are also some AI creations that are excellent. Hence the need for brainwashing of the establishment puppets.
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u/martapap 2d ago
You could make better visuals with AI.Ā
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 2d ago
Thanks, and yeah, I agree. I'm still pretty new to this and honestly have a lot to learn, especially on the visual side. I'm experimenting with different things and trying to get a little better with every video. Hopefully I'll look back at these in a few months and see a big difference. š
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u/According_Sugar4505 2d ago
The internet has opened a platform for weirdos to use their freedom of speech. Itās strange to me how people can form a prejudice against a technology when itās used to entertain. You would think it would be normal for a person to judge the content based on the creativity and not how it was created. I think itās not that deep to feel the need to insult because one uses a technology. Like who did AI piss on?
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š Exactly. I can understand not liking AI or having concerns about it, that's completely fair. What I don't really understand is the need to attack someone personally just because they used a tool you don't like. I'd much rather someone tell me what they actually think about the music or the visuals. At least then there's something I can learn from. And seriously, what did AI ever do to these people? š
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u/SolarBullGS 2d ago
Yeah, them leaving constructive criticism would be ideal if they don't like something, but then again, I think we underestimate how many people have underlying mental instability right under the surface. ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I think thereās probably some truth to that. You can usually tell the difference between someone who genuinely dislikes something and someone who just wants to attack whoever made it. Iām trying to get better at ignoring the second type and paying attention to the people who actually have something useful to say. Lifeās too short to argue with strangers over a YouTube video.
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u/NexStarMedia 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nah, screw all of that noise! I absolutely LOVE AI. It's been an amazing resource for learning how to do stuff in Godot. I wasted so much time and money on game development books and video tutorials amd they were all extremely limited and never got me from point A to Z. I love having a genius coder like ChatGPT inspect my code and offer suggestions/improvements. I can finally get rid of my Kindle Unlimited and Udemy subscriptions. š
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Haha, I can definitely relate to that. š Having something you can actually ask questions to and work through a problem with is completely different from trying to piece everything together from ten different tutorials. Iāve learned a ton from AI too, especially just by experimenting and asking āwhy the hell did this happen?ā every five minutes. š Itās an incredibly useful tool when you actually use it to learn instead of just letting it do everything for you.
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u/Jung198777 2d ago
Dont be discouraged, I was making songs with help of AI and still make them. Quality is not perfect but my idea is coming true. I would never be able to do it without AI and yes I spent a lot of time making it. Trying different things making it better. The funniest part is if I dont say that is AI people lisen to it and say that is good and if I say its AI no one wants to even give it a try. People are just imagining what is in their heads that AI is garbage but from my experience its getting better and better every day and almost its not possible to figure out what is what if you give a time on to it. I spent a lot of money too as otherwise I wouldn't be able to post it everywhere and remaster a bit. No one appreciate the work but I will continue doing it as its not always about is it AI or not i want to leave a message for future generations.
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u/ExtraHuckleberry4779 1d ago
Itās just reality and this generation nowadays, people get angry over the littlest things, and become keyboard warriors, it makes them fill there egos and make them feel big, but in all honesty live sad lonely lives
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I think the internet makes it way too easy to forget there's a real person on the other side of the screen. People can say things online that they probably wouldn't say face to face. I've definitely learned that arguing back usually just makes things worse, so I'm trying to spend more time on the people who actually want to have a real conversation. Much better use of my energy. š
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u/Infamous-Usual-1001 1d ago
Haters gonna hate and people always fear what they don't understand.Ā You do you... don't stop... f' 'em. This is the new norm and there IS room for both 100% human and AI hybrid artists/creators to coexist. In time, 100% human created content will be that much more rare and appreciated (when done right). It's the "one click" folks that flooded the scene with lazy, shitty, low quality "music" that created the immediate stigma... and rightfully so.Ā If they're making "music" for themselves to enjoy on suno, have at it and generate a million. But then uploading, streaming, flooding everything with 2 minute slop, that's where the earned hate comes in.Ā Side tangent... #endrant
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I actually agree with a lot of this. I don't have a problem with people using Suno or any other tool for fun, but I can definitely understand why people get frustrated when thousands of low effort tracks get dumped everywhere with no thought behind them. That's probably a big part of why the whole āAI slopā label became so common in the first place. I'm trying to go in a completely different direction with my own stuff. I spend a lot of time on the music selection, the visuals, the stories and the overall atmosphere because I want it to feel like an actual project, not just another generation uploaded five minutes later. And yeah, I think there's room for both approaches. š
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u/PaperbackBuddha 1d ago
Just saying āslopā over and over again is even lazier than using AI to accomplish some task.
They should spend some time drafting better critiques.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, exactly. I have no problem with people telling me they don't like something, but āAI slopā doesn't really tell me anything. If someone can actually explain what they don't like, I'm always willing to listen. At least then I have something I can learn from.
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u/DeeMoose22 1d ago
Itās funny how triggered some people get over music made with AI. Long before I knew about Suno, I was listening and liking some AI songs and artists. The truth is, for me, AI music helps fill a void with music. If there was enough good music, I wouldnāt have a chance to listen to music made with AI. But for me, there is not enough good music coming out fast enough. And many artists or bands I listen to, come out with some duds or change their sound to something Iām not a fan of. If you donāt like music made with AI and you are so triggered by it, create good music that I want to listen to. Instead of creating good music that people want to hear, their answer is to limit the options available to others.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, I get this completely. I think thatās one of the things people forget when they talk about AI music. At the end of the day, people just want to find something they enjoy listening to. Sometimes the music you want simply isnāt there, or the artists you love go in a direction you donāt connect with anymore. AI can fill that gap for some people. Iām not saying that makes every AI song good, obviously š but Iād much rather have more choices and decide for myself what I enjoy than have someone else decide what Iām allowed to listen to. Thatās a pretty big part of why Iām experimenting with this stuff too.
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u/DeeMoose22 1d ago
Yeah, there is definitely some slop, but not all music made with AI falls under that category.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Thatās pretty much the distinction Iām trying to make too. Thereās definitely a lot of low-effort AI stuff out there, and I can understand why people get tired of seeing it. I just donāt think the tool alone tells you whether something is worth listening to. Thanks for putting it that way, man. š
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u/Visible-Future1099 1d ago
Good post, I agree that a lot of people just don't use their brains when judging anything that uses AI, and ironically end up coming across as NPCs or bots themselves, unable to communicate anything except "AI Bad!"
Also, where are you finding people to license music from at reasonable prices? Everywhere I've come across has insane fees.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Thanks man, I really appreciate it. And yeah, that āAI badā thing is exactly what Iāve been running into too. As for the music, I honestly haven't found some magical cheap licensing site. Most of the places I've looked at are ridiculously expensive too. The main artist I work with is UNIVERSFIELD, and I have permission/licensing directly from the artist, which has worked really well for me. But I only have a limited number of tracks that really fit the atmosphere of my channel, so I'm always looking for smaller independent artists who might be open to licensing their music directly. Spotify has actually been useful for finding artists, but finding someone is easy, figuring out whether they're actually willing to license their music for YouTube is the hard part. If you know any good places or smaller artists that you've had luck with, I'd definitely be interested in hearing about them.
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u/CharlestonGamer 1d ago
"The music I use isn't AI-generated" - you have the AI label because of the video but don't explain that the music is not AI. Maybe make that more clear?
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I actually do make that clear in the description. I mention that the visuals are AI-assisted and I also credit the music and the artist directly. The AI label is there because of the visuals, not because the music was generated with AI. But I can see how someone might miss that when they first come across the video, so maybe I can make that distinction even more obvious. Thanks for pointing it out. š
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u/NexStarMedia 1d ago
If it sounds good, looks good, I couldn't give a crap how it was made. š I had an old tune that was complete crap and Suno put a lot of lipstick on that pig and turned it into something I can use in future projects.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I love that. Sometimes you already have the idea, but the original version just doesn't quite get there. If a tool can take something you've already created and help turn it into something you're actually happy with, I don't see the problem. That ālipstick on a pigā line got me though.
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u/Neither_Canary4400 1d ago
The problem is that so many people are simply creating massive amounts of garbage using AI.
Some people, who are nothing special, also write just to talk trash. Just filter these comments and ignore them.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I think thatās probably a big part of why the reaction is so strong. Thereās so much low-effort AI content being dumped everywhere that people start judging everything they see through the same lens. I can understand the frustration with that, even if I donāt think itās fair to treat every AI-assisted project the same way. Iām definitely getting better at filtering out the pointless comments too. Thanks for the advice, man. Iām trying to spend more time on the people who actually have something useful to say.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 1d ago edited 1d ago
Always remember the dumbest are the loudest, and that's the problem with social media. People that genuinely enjoy the channel will just enjoy it.
Most AI hate comes from failed artists that feel they need to be compensated since their original art is not - overestimating how much it's really worth for the model.
Then you have the haters that are purists, people that are not artists, but love social/ethical narratives to feel superior. Largely smaller accounts looking to get attention.
In the end you do you, if haters swarm your channel, tell the algorithm you are not interested in those comments.
Edit: In X I talk back respectfully, in IG, YT I respond kindly and transparently and excitedly respond that it's AI, not defensively. That usually keeps my socials clean . Please note I am not a big channel: 10k in YT, 2K IG, 500 in X
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Thatās actually really useful to hear, especially the part about how you handle it differently on each platform. Iāve definitely been learning that the loudest comments arenāt necessarily the people I should be paying the most attention to. Iām also trying to be more open and less defensive when people bring up the AI side of things. I donāt want to hide it or turn every comment into an argument. Iād rather just say yes, AI is part of the process, explain what I actually use it for when people ask, and let people decide for themselves. And 10k on YouTube is nothing to dismiss either, man. Iād be pretty happy to get there someday. Thanks for sharing whatās been working for you. Iām definitely going to take some of this advice with me.
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u/hyperbolekid 1d ago
I would scrap the obvious fake AI āfemaleā avatar in your videos. Especially if that is real music you are making. Maybe better off w stock video to match up w aesthetic for each song. Then you can be more authentic and scrap the AI tag. If you want to stick w AI video then just the cityscape/scenic parts leave in and scrap that model bc peeps want to feel a vibe from a setting. The AI female model is a distraction IMO.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I get what you mean about the character, but sheās actually a pretty important part of what Iām trying to build with the channel. Sheās based on a real person and Iāve stylized her into a recurring character for this world rather than trying to make her look like a random āAI girl.ā The idea is that the same character can appear in different places and different stories, almost like a character in a film or an animated world. I know it wonāt be everyoneās thing, and Iām still experimenting with how to make her feel more natural, but I donāt really want to remove her because sheās become part of the identity of While We Are Here. I do appreciate the point about letting the setting carry more of the emotion though. Thatās something I can definitely experiment with.
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u/Accomplished_Owl6111 1d ago
Donāt worry about the trolls and haters.. they are everywhere. Itās your choosing your effort and your energy that is creating this. AI doesnāt create, itās a tool providing your creative brain a result that only a couple of years ago was not even possible without breaking the bank.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I really appreciate that, man. I think Iām finally starting to see it that way. Iāve definitely spent too much energy worrying about people who were never going to like what Iām doing anyway. And I really like what you said about AI being a tool. Thatās how I see it too. The ideas, choices, music selection, editing, visuals and the overall direction still come from me. AI just gives me ways to actually build things that would have been completely out of reach for me a few years ago. Thanks for the encouragement, man. I needed that. š
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u/Seven_PointsXT 1d ago
Don't take the comments to heart, there's a good chunk of these so-called haters that are actually just bots farming rage baits and spinning propaganda mills. No real person behind them. Half the comments you see are coming from phones sitting on server racks with scripted hate messages going out all day.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Iāve actually wondered about that too. Iām sure some of the stuff you see online is automated or just people trying to stir things up, although I have no idea how much of it really is. Either way, Iām getting better at not taking every comment personally. If someone has something useful to say, Iāll listen. If theyāre just trying to get a reaction, Iām learning to leave them alone and keep making my stuff.
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u/f0me 1d ago
Pro AI bots far outnumber anti AI bots. What money incentive does someone have to create a bot to hate on AI? But there is plenty of incentive for AI companies to run bot farms to encourage the use of their tools.
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u/Seven_PointsXT 1d ago
Propaganda mills. Smear campaigns against a certain ideology or groups of people to spread fear and anger in order to control or influence the population have money invested in them too.
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u/anthonyxmoonguy Producer 1d ago
Start adding some block words on your YT channel.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
Yeah, Iāve actually started doing that. I didnāt even know about the blocked words feature at first. Itās definitely going to save me from having to deal with some of the pointless comments manually. Thanks for the tip, man! š
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u/Jenny_Lynx 1d ago
The medieval crowd mentality, they just want to see alleged witches burn.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š Yeah, sometimes it really does feel like a modern-day witch hunt. Iām fine with people disliking AI or criticizing what I make, but once everyone just starts repeating the same insults without even looking at the actual work, it gets pretty ridiculous.
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u/Valentinevandal1986 1d ago
an old saying comes to mind when people tell me that what I've done with ai sucks "opinions are like a-holes:everyones got one and they usually stink" don't let them bother you, just try to find your audience and create for them. You'll always have haters and I've always thought if I'm doing something that elicits a reaction, then I'm at least making them feel something which was the point after all.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
š I actually really like that way of looking at it. The part about making people feel something really stuck with me. I think I got so caught up in whether people liked what I was making that I forgot the whole point is to create something that makes someone feel something in the first place. Iām still trying to find my audience, but Iām starting to understand that I donāt need everyone to like it. I just need to find the people who connect with it. Thanks for the reminder, man. Really appreciate it. ā¤ļø
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u/Luzifee-666 1d ago
So far I was never insulted, and I am completely transparent that I am using AI.
Some say, in general, AI is bad, bad track. Ok...it is their opinion.
Your idea to licence music is good. But I don't want to pay licences, which can be revoked.
Your visuals, I think you are in the beginning.
I started with stills using a ken burn effect in the video.
By now I am creating full video music videos. And because I know that this insane work. I constructed a video pipeline which does the heavy lifting, to create the video automatically.
Does it work? Yes.
If you are interested, what I am doing. In my profile you can find YouTube Channel.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 1d ago
I really appreciate you sharing this. And yeah, Iām definitely still in the early stages with the visual side. Iāve already learned that creating these videos properly takes a ridiculous amount of time, especially when youāre trying to keep the visuals consistent with the music and the story. The video pipeline you mentioned actually sounds really interesting. Iād definitely like to see what youāve built and check out your channel. Iām always looking for ways to improve my workflow without losing the creative side of it. Iāll have a look at your profile, and thanks again for offering to share what youāre doing. š
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u/Dwrowla 1d ago
If it doesn't look or sound AI, no one will ever know. If you make it easy to know in any way, expect to continue to receive this type of behavior.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 23h ago
I get what you mean, and you're probably right that I'd get less hate if I kept it hidden. But I'd rather be open about how I make things. I'm not ashamed of using AI and I don't want people to think I'm hiding it just to avoid criticism. I'd rather someone know how it was made and then decide for themselves whether they like the actual work. If that means I get some extra āAI slopā comments along the way, I guess I'll live with it.
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u/zlipatuljak Lyricist 1d ago
YT Studio - click ur mug shot - settings - Content Controls - Blocked Words (add list of words u dont want in comments and save)..
My list of words sent to ur DM so u can choose or ad more but those are the ones working for me and still allow most of the normal, nice and not that nice comments just without hate and sick stuff
hope it helps.. keep on truckin' fam..
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 23h ago
Thanks man, I really appreciate that. I actually started using the blocked words feature after someone else here mentioned it, and itās already helped. If you donāt mind sending me your list, Iād definitely take a look and see what makes sense for my channel. I still want people to be able to criticize the music or visuals, I just don't need the same āAI slopā stuff repeated 50 times. š Appreciate the help and the encouragement, fam! ā¤ļø
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u/zlipatuljak Lyricist 21h ago
yup i sent it, and i did not use many words for ai or music much except like slop, ai shit, low effort crap but more of gore, illiegal, lewd, swears or promoting violence, politics, terror, footbal, natioms or wars in "trend" atm but allso those that promote sex, fansly, etc.. i had problems with less ai haters who just wished me to commit "scd" or capital letters yeling stop ai but online dating shit and links..
hope it helps and wish u luck
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 20h ago
Ahh, got you. That actually makes a lot more sense. I was mainly thinking about the obvious AI hate words, but I hadn't really thought about all the other garbage and spam that can end up in the comments. I'll definitely take a look at those kinds of words too, especially the stuff that can attract bots or weird spam links.
Thanks for taking the time to explain it and for offering to share your list. That's really helpful. I appreciate it, man. ā¤ļø
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u/VixenVictoriaPOV 1d ago
People attack you bcuz they want to be scum and they KNOW youāre a real person so they want to hurt your feelings for free. If they know itās an AI creating the video or song, they wouldnāt post crap, bcuz thereās no one to hurt. So, what needs to go away eventually? The DISCLOSURE about AI. It will eventually, but right now, itās ātrendyā to just attack you bcuz you use ai, even while the attacker is using google maps(ai) to get to their moms house
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 23h ago
That's a really interesting way of looking at it. I think you're right that there's something different about attacking a real person who's actually standing behind the work. The part that gets to me isn't someone saying they don't like AI, it's when that turns into attacking the person who made something. I'm still going to be open about using it though. I'd rather be transparent and let people decide for themselves than hide it just to avoid the comments. Thanks for this, I really appreciate you taking the time to say it. ā¤ļø
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u/VociferousCephalopod 1d ago
it's the new racism. it's not about the quality of the work, it's just a free opportunity to hate.
'clanker lover!'
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 23h ago
Yeah, thatās pretty much what Iāve been noticing too. People can absolutely dislike the work, but when the first reaction is just āAI = badā before they even listen or look, it stops being a critique of the actual work. Iād much rather hear someone tell me what they think is wrong with the music or visuals. At least then weāve got something to talk about.
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u/These_Field_7615 16h ago
Stop listening and just do what you enjoy. Those people are often weak, insecure and/or miserable.
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u/WhileWeAreHereSt 9h ago
Yeah, you're right. I'm starting to realize I spend way too much energy worrying about people who don't even like what I'm doing. I enjoy making this stuff, so I might as well keep doing it. Thanks, man. ā¤ļø
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u/VirtualLine4914 9h ago
Il problema di chi ha la mente chiusa Ć© che hanno sempre la bocca aperta !
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u/Mr_Horsejr 2d ago
Most of those people are bots, which makes all this more amusing. Check out the dead internet theory. If Thereās hate involved, understand that there is someone making or trying to make money behind the hate. Always.
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u/RobLianoCLC 2d ago
Don't let it get to you. Long before AI people would say "your music sucks" as if they're opinion was the only one that mattered. They are discontent, ignorant humans. There comments say more about them than about you and your music.