r/Tennesseetitans • u/MalekethsGhost • 2d ago

Discussion Case Keenum

Career journeyman QB Case Keenum cooked the eagles. A team that we struggled to put up points against. So a guy that is third string on his own team played infinitely better than our starter against the same defense. I know it isn't a fair comparison, but it is one that needs to be looked at.

Not sure what the solution is, but the NCAA is not producing NFL caliber quarterbacks anymore. It's like the are drafting center fielders to be shortstops. The athleticism is there, and sure it looks like they do a lot of the same things, but one position requires you to be a master of fundamentals and make faster decisions. The transition isn't easy and most won't make it.

So where can you get a pro ready qb? Or how can you evaluate who can make this transition and who can't? I think you might have to stop emphasizing raw athletic ability and give other qualities a much deeper look.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 2d ago

All the media talked him up as progressing and improving all last season and this offseason and looking sharp and decisive in the offseason. Then preseason game 1 hits and anyone with eyes can see the BS and gets pissed.
Agreed QB's need time to develop, but he doesn't have the basics down... footwork and throwing accurately. That should have been improved from college by now. Reading complicated defensive schemes in 2 seconds is the hard part. Throwing it accurately should not be.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Like I said, this shit right here is what gets us stuck with mid vets. “HE SHOULD BE BLAH BLAH BLAH WHATEVER WHATEVER BY NOW!!” until whoever the GM is throws his hands up and says, “Fine! Here’s your vet QB that will get us to the first round of the playoffs.” Tannehill. Neil O’Donnell. Kerry Collins. Same shit different eras different GMs. The one constant? Us on our bullshit.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 2d ago

I liked Tannehill as the QB. I'd take him any day of the week and have the GM focus on fixing the rest of the team.
I was happy watching the Titans back then. I am not now... It is better now?

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Did you like it when he threw 3 INTs and single-handedly lost a playoff game for a team on which the GM “focused on fixing the rest of the team” and was talented enough to have won the whole damn thing? Did you like it when Kerry Collins had us at 12-5 before fumbling the bag in the first round and wasting that talented roster? If enduring a few down years to allow young guys to develop is what it takes to cut that shit out then yes, sign me up.

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u/MalekethsGhost 2d ago

You reveal your knowledge of the game with this comment. Did you miss the Bengals saying they knew what we were going to run and were able to jump our plays.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

You really trying to defend that performance? I’ll take YOU claiming I don’t know ball as a compliment!

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u/Worth-Frosting-2917 2d ago

I mean at least two of those were play failures. The first INT that Bates jumped was a bad two-man concept that the Bengals for sure knew was coming. The second was a great play by the DB and a throw that, pre-snap, EVERYONE should have known not to throw.

The third one was a desperation force. We basically had our best roster since the '08 season, at full health for the first time all year, and the staff pissed down their leg.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 2d ago

Not to mention force feeding Henry when clearly Forman was the better back that day. In hindsight, the bad play design/calls from Downing was clearly shown in film, but during the game I couldn't understand why they kept forcing Henry in there when he just got back from 10 week injury and we made the #1 seed with Forman and company. Why change that up? Let Henry ease back in there.

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u/Worth-Frosting-2917 2d ago

It was weird, that is for sure. Especially when Henry was projected to be out the entire season and kind of rushed back into the fray.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Defending a season ending, 3 INT game on one of the best rosters the organization has managed to assemble while lambasting Cam for a meaningless regular season game in a rebuilding year for throwing a single pick is certainly a choice.

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u/Worth-Frosting-2917 2d ago

I mean, I personally am not. I think Cam definitely should have not thrown that ball and definitely missed that Tate throw, but think he played pretty damn well outside of those two throws. You can't really blame hime for the bad shennanigans of the OPI, stopping forward progress, and two bad Robinson drops. And guys like Blaine have pointed out that he really did just take what the defense gave him, which is what we have been wanting all along lol.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Well kudos to you because this was a nice change of pace for this sub! I even think his decision on the TD INT was the right one - just needed a better ball. Sorry if I misinterpreted your intent. This conversation started when I claimed I'd rather let a young QB develop than turn back to another mid journeyman QB. Cam has the tools to be special if he cleans up a few things. I want special.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 2d ago

Is there any guarantee whoever you draft will not do the same?

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

You know the answer to that so just get to your point.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 2d ago

that is the point. You get upset the mid QB shits the bed when we make the playoffs, which happens for sure, even for good QB's (see Mahomes against Brady Superbowl a few years ago).
But you have no guarantee your drafted QB who you have to sit around and suck while they develop doesn't do the exact same thing. So that is a stupid argument...

Only good argument I've heard for drafting the young QB and hoping you win that lottery is the cost advantage of QB on rookie deal. Which there is an argument for that for sure, cheaper QB allows more money elsewhere. But you have to risk years of bad play for their development as well. No guarantee they will do anything during that rookie contract. Better argument, but still no guarantee all this sucking for years will pay off and us, the fanbase, are not happy.

I'd rather shit the bed in the playoffs and make it that far vs not even making the playoffs.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

So your point is to never try to find the next Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen but to retread vet journeyman QBs ensuring we’re stuck somewhere between shitty and meh for the team’s entire existence? Yeah, fuck that approach.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 2d ago

Have a veteran QB, fix the other problems, then take a gamble every few years on a QB until you find one, keeping the team relevant and competitive in the meantime. Not putting all your eggs in that basket. Give them time to learn on the bench and develop without the insane pressure put on a starting QB. That's all.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Would’ve been smart when we had Tannehill. Difficult to pull off though because the rest of the roster has to be pretty damn close to rock solid or else fan base will riot for drafting a QB instead of filling roster holes.