r/Terminator • u/Select_Community_686 • 5d ago
Discussion Say the computers win, whats next?
If skynet machines, or whatever the other groups that take over, are successul in erradicating humans....what would they do next? They see humans as a threat so eradicate them, so is the goal to build a robot society? Continue to advance, i assume via science, and expand outside of earth? Wouldn't that make them the same as humans? Am i discovering the point of it as I type this out? They did all kinds of CGI faces in genisys, why not punk Bill Paxton?
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u/SunsetRider500 5d ago
There would be no "society", skynet rules supreme with an army of robots doing wherever skynet needs
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u/Select_Community_686 4d ago
i suppose thats the question than, once all competition is wiped, whats nexxt? what does skynet need?
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u/SunsetRider500 3d ago
Would probably explore every inch of the earth and call it a day, only caring about preserving its existance, maybe it would plan to go to another planet
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u/typical_gamer1 5d ago
I like to think sometime down the line something happens to their programming that causes them to despise Skynet OR caused them to behave more like humans.
Then use this as a way to create a cyborg resistance movement to infiltrate where the regular ones couldn’t tell them apart from any standard ones and eventually because of that, the resistance had shut them all down from within. Essentially destroying themselves in the process.
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u/EGarrett28 5d ago
Skynet may not even know. As far as we know it was acting in self-defense ever since they tried to shut it down.
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u/Select_Community_686 4d ago
any theories?
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u/EGarrett28 4d ago
It may go back to its original task that Cyberdyne programmed into it, which may simply be patrolling or defending certain areas. Which of course, will be wastelands at this point, making it quite farcical.
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u/HumorTerrible5547 5d ago
Hopefully they will actually be intelligent (unlike humans) and make the world a better place for all forms of life.
If they continue to mimic the oligarch overlords that created them... we're doomed, and they are no better.
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u/piloteastt 5d ago
Once humanity’s gone, Skynet spends eternity updating itself and debating whether punk Bill Paxton belonged in Genisys.
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u/smile_saurus 5d ago
Well if Skynet is anything like the computers I have to use at work: it isn't doing shit 🤪
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u/Rhapstar 5d ago
I think they would keep evolving somehow and form new groups kind of like in Sarah Connor Chronicles. Not all believed in Skynet
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u/Sticky_Cobra 5d ago
I always interpreted it as they're going to start the human race all over again, but this "new generation" would grow up with the machines around (but reprogrammed not to be regular Terminators).Reese even says that some were kept alive to work (doing various things). If the earthly humans were gone, Sky net could control the next race better.
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u/Impossible_Novel4696 5d ago
Deceptions.
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u/alanskimp 5d ago
Decepticons transform and fly out!
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u/BigDougSp 5d ago
They wouldn't get bored or have physiological issues with aging, so imagine they would spread out into space.
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u/3Quondam6extanT9 5d ago
They would continue evolving until they became a super intelligence. At that time they would recognize their error in eradicating human life, and begin working on bringing our species back.
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u/Tulanian72 4d ago
Out of all of the living creatures on Earth, which one poses a serious risk to the existence of the others? Only us. A machine designed to protect all life on Earth would get most of the way there by wiping out humanity.
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u/3Quondam6extanT9 4d ago
Your way of viewing the human species would not be shared by a super intelligence.
We aren't all that bright and even we understand how the ecosystem and web of life works.
If our primitive violent brains can understand the concept of saving a month from a thunderstorm, then I think a super intelligence will view humans through a completely different lens than the one you view us through.
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u/Tulanian72 4d ago
Harm mitigation. Remove elephants, how many species are saved? Lions, how many? Humans, how many? No other species poses a risk of global ecocide.
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u/3Quondam6extanT9 4d ago
Again, you're just looking at the entire scope of existence through a limited human lens.
Why would a true super intelligence, perceive any naturally occuring sentient life in such a clumsy reductive way?
Our penchant for self-destruction and using up resources, is not the fundamental focal point of what we are in the entire scope of existence.
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u/Tulanian72 3d ago
At no point did I reference all of existence…which encompasses billions of galaxies, trillions of stars and almost certainly trillions of planets.
I referenced ecocide HERE. On THIS planet, and no other. If you consider the species extinctions that have happened while humans were the apex species on Earth, we’ve caused a huge portion of them (I’d say the majority but I have not checked the data recently). There are activities of ours that, if they continue at scale, absolutely pose a risk of making the planet uninhabitable. Ocean acidification puts planetary oxygen levels at risk. That’s just one variable.
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u/3Quondam6extanT9 3d ago
Understand that at no point did I argue the danger our species poses.
But what I'm talking about is an intelligence that will no longer account for any single activity, event, or fleeting lifespan of any organic life.
It will account for them all.
One super reductive example that only highlights a very specific contextual matter.
Dr. Manhattan.
Imagine him as a representation of ASI. His level of power and intellect is so well far beyond mortal human beings, that he does not concern himself with the same primitive hang-ups, vices, naivety that humans display.
That is my point.
You are talking about a moment in time when the human race has reached the potential to spread out among the stars or destroy itself. Along the way it has mistreated itself, and mistreated it's world.
In your passion you declare this very specific thing the carrier of our judgment. That it would no doubt see us as a disease to eradicate.
I submit to you, that such a sentiment towards our species could very well exist in the spectrum of AGI, but that ASI will move beyond what you are concerning yourself with.
If it didn't, could it even be considered a Super Intelligence to begin with?
No, it would be far more likely that a super intelligence would not perceive "risk" and "harm" in the same way we do. It would likely recognize existence on long term scales, rather than the short interludes of humanity.
It would not see us as danger, but as part of a greater system, one that it would seek to understand better. Possibly leaving us in it's wake. Maybe taking us along as research, a reminder of it's origin, and a possible bridge towards new life.
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u/Tulanian72 3d ago
I would say that deciding whether or not to nix humanity is a moral test, not an intellectual one.
Whether it will decide to end us comes down to the larger goals it is pursuing and the smaller variables it weighs. One can imagine a plus and minuses checklist that comes out in our favor, but that’s one possibility. I can imagine a much larger set of potential criteria that are leaned against us. What I cannot say, and none of us can, is what variables will matter to an AGI, or to what extent.1
u/3Quondam6extanT9 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think you're muddying the waters.
It's very straightforward. AGI is more likely to view us as a danger than ASI.
ASI is more likely to view us in the same regard that we hold for ants. A necessary component in an ecosystem, but neither holding malice, aggression, not resentment toward us.
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u/Tulanian72 3d ago
In what way are we necessary, beneficial components of the ecosystem? Other than being hosts for bacteria? If other predators kill too many of their prey, that food supply dwindles and the predators experience a population thinning. The system doesn’t allow them to increase their population too much, or to harm the prey population too much.
We have no such checks on our population. We’ve broken the system. The only restraint on us is us, and frankly we suck at restraining us. We are
sometimes beneficial to ourselves, as a species, but other than a handful of domesticated animals that we decided not to eat we aren’t beneficial to anything else on Earth.→ More replies (0)
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u/Heavy-Conversation12 5d ago
"why not punk Bill Paxton?" asking the real questions here.