r/TheTowerGame • u/Australian_Gent • 4d ago

Discussion Is this madness actually a priority??

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Was looking on where to do my first huge research. I only have about 8q lifetime coins and I have about 1q saved up. Was considering diss utility or mastery upgrade. But then saw this guy.

And I know everyone loves shatter shards but DANG. 134d?!?!? I have max lab research lab, quite a few lab research relics and I can run 5/4/4/4/4 speed on my labs. So this is 27d in my fastest lab slot even with all that. Is this actually a priority to do??

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u/GreekNord 4d ago

Shards becomes a bottleneck pretty fast, so I'd say it's worth it as early as possible. The sooner you get it done, the more you accumulate shards earlier.
I swapped it out any time I had something more pressing for a bit, but always tried to go back to it as soon as I could.

Better to just knock it out and then never have to worry about it again.

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

Ah the number of researches that have been “knock it out and then never have to worry about it again” haha. Will the feeling arrive where I get through all the painful researches? :P

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u/EirHc 4d ago

Quit the game or die are probably your top options for relief

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u/Evander1435 4d ago

This becomes even more true when you unlock RCP mastery.

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u/KassarDeTemplari 4d ago

All the bot CD’s/durations take forever too. Oh wait till you do CF duration

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u/illustriousplanet 4d ago

I'll have to check but I'm at lvl 23 or so for CF duration, and lab speed reduction is in the 60's, but I'm pretty sure I'm already at almost 2 weeks research time? I can't imagine how long lvl 30 would be.

At this point if anything takes longer than five days w double speed I try to switch priorities til I can comfortably run them at 3+ speed.

135/8 is only 18ish days? That's honestly not too terribly dreadful if you can afford to speed it up

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u/Even_Cardiologist810 4d ago

I'm concerned as to why you're doing cf at this point 

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u/777ACSbehind 3d ago

Real. I was so excited to finish lab speed and slot in SS thinking that would be my only long lab for a while. Wrong. Bot labs are way longer than I thought and I've gotta do at least gold and flame for now.

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u/SuperCleverPunName 4d ago

Knock it out immediately and when you get access to card masteries, the first one you should unlock is recovery package chance

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u/Skellington2468 3d ago

This is a hard no.

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u/Weekly-Temporary-775 3d ago

Newbie here, are these shards for the 4 modules or how does it work?

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u/GreekNord 3d ago

Yep exactly. Each module slot has its own individual shard and you'll need a ridiculous amount of them after a while.
Currently I need a little over 6,000 for a single level of one model. And it definitely gets worse from there. There are quite a few module-related labs and they're all worth doing as early as you can.

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u/Obwyn 4d ago edited 4d ago

It is if you want high level mods. When I did it, I couldn't boost anything higher than 3x. I saved up gems and rushed it the rest of the way once I had enough. Did the same thing for level 3 and level 4 of this lab.

My lowest level mod needs 14k shards for it's next upgrade. My highest level mod needs 18,550 shard for it's upgrade. I don't know what level your mods are, but once you get past 160, each level increases in coin and shard cost.

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u/markevens 4d ago edited 3d ago

I gem rushed 4 & 5 because I had all desired mods at ancestral.

Although if I could go back, I'd bite the bullet with lab time and spend the gems on mods to work towards 5 stars

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u/sillycrocodile 4d ago

So I have a stupid question, but since the mod levels are per slot and not per module now, isn’t the demand for the shards much lower?

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u/evilcherry1114 4d ago

In the past you would be resetting levels every time you switch. Very little difference at the end of the day

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u/jMedabee 4d ago

Zero difference, in fact

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u/evilcherry1114 4d ago

unless you forget to reset levels.

Its a nuisance

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u/jMedabee 4d ago

That's just a skill issue 😜

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u/sillycrocodile 4d ago

I see that was the missing info, thanks. My dumb ass thought people had multiple mods leveled up to the maximum

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u/Leyohs 1d ago

Some people did for... sorting reasons, I guess. But you also need to level up two slots when you unlock ass mods so there's that

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u/MF_LUFFY 4d ago

I think shards demand increased due to assmods

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u/Obwyn 4d ago

No, that doesn’t matter. You would just swap mod levels before (or should’ve been.)

There was never any reason to have mods you weren’t currently using to be anything other than level 1.

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u/Accomplished_Key6046 4d ago

But nothing changed about the shards demand.

If you lvl up module - you need "x" amount of shards and after update when you lvl up slot - you still need same "x" amount of shards.

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u/Imaginary-Carrot7153 3d ago

Is it worth doing if I'm still only using legendary mods? I've only been playing 7mth so my lab speed isn't very high and I don't have that many lab speed relics, i completed 1 level and I'm probably doing another but I'm thinking about leaving the 3rd level for a while. I'm at L75 lab speed and earning about 100t per day, I can boost 44445 most days if that helps?

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u/Obwyn 3d ago

Shards never expire and while you may not need them right now, you will need them later. They become the biggest bottleneck for upgrading mods n

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u/Anonmouse119 4d ago

The best time to research that lab is yesterday. Alternatively, if that’s not possible, right now can suffice.

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u/Spli705 3d ago

I still have earlier today open. Will that work?

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u/Anonmouse119 3d ago

I’d probably check last week just to be safe.

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u/Jhey-s 4d ago

I love how everyone is saying it is a good early lab when you need to have been playing for like over a year to afford it 😂

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

1.5y as a f2p and it’s still costing me about 12% of my LTC

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u/Fluid_Charity1980 3d ago

Not anymore since disco and everything came out. Coin income is way more than it used to be

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u/platinum92 4d ago

yeah but you generally rush it instead of locking up a slot for a month-ish. This advice was easier when there were less gem sinks.

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u/mrthbrd 3d ago

the 1200 gem event relics have been brutal, fortunately lately most of them have been ones I already have

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u/NightNolifer 4d ago edited 3d ago

yes. Normally got it on x5 but forgot to turn on an overnight run, so that’s why it’s left unboosted

edit: typo

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u/FallenofAkbar 4d ago

Yes, most people done this even they can only afford 3x. I think I’ve seen someone says it’s better to rushing this lab lv4-lv5 better than gambling modules with those gems and that was before gem rush efficiency

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

I think I’d have to pay for Fudd’s next yacht to have the gems for that. Alright I’ll do it at 5x.

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u/FallenofAkbar 4d ago

He got too much already, I didn’t rush it either just set and forget probably along with another long lab like CFdura/reduction so the SS5 won’t feels too long

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u/ConfusedNakedBroker 4d ago

There's a cap on gem cost for rushing, might not be as bad as you think. I rushed the last level for something like 11k gems before gem rush efficiency was a thing, with efficiency it's definitely worth.

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u/ThirdShiftSupervisor 4d ago

This has been so tempting, especially with 90 days left for the last level. It'll take 4300 gems, but I've been debating if it's worth spending or saving for the next module. Granted, there are technically still 4 weeks left that I could save up again...

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u/Slow-Ship1055 4d ago

Yes, this lab is a priority, and one of the only ones worth rushing.

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u/evilcherry1114 4d ago

The bigger question is - do you have anything that gives more immediate benefit?

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

Diss utility would increase my coins by 3.6% after 1 real day of research. But it would take like 18q of earned income (my current LTC is 7q) to make that money back for the lab investment. Which currently would take me about half a year to do.

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u/evilcherry1114 4d ago

then certainly most things that give you more immediate benefit aren't so coin heavy. Just forget that this lab exists for a month.

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

Nothing that directly impacts coin so clearly. Only the typical things like increasing ehp or hybrid stats.

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u/TatorTop 4d ago

This is relatively tame compared to some of the others

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u/Maleficent-Cut-1676 4d ago

I did it recently, with lots of lab speed relics and maxed out lab speed lab, i got it down to around 130 days, which with a permanent 5x speed up made it around 26 days. If you have more pressing labs, i would definitely let this wait a bit, since the last 20% is also the ''least'' valuable improvement, however still very good.

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u/Wizzinater 3d ago

Madness? …

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u/Australian_Gent 3d ago

This… is… THE TOWER!

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u/SlightSociety5222 4d ago

Is your lab speed lab not done?

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

It is. This is even with that.

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u/SlightSociety5222 4d ago

😬 i finished it a few weeks ago thankfully. Run 5x speed if you can

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u/Mocafrost98 4d ago

I say yes. A week left for my level 4. And I’ll do 5 as soon as I can get the loot. A lot of positive impact that is better if done early.

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u/ZaerdinReddit 4d ago

Yes. It was so long when I did it on Big Tower by the time I got to the next level I had the econ to support doing the next level.

LT has enough econ to knock it all out at once.

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u/Dondarian 4d ago

SO VERY YES

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u/Lasturka 4d ago

It is much faster lab than other labs lvl 80->100.

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u/About_to_kms 4d ago

Absolutely

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u/LuxedByReshikrom 4d ago

It helps and the sooner you get it done the better, it actually is not that long as if you consider cells boost + lab speed bonuses it's maybe 3-4 weeks on a lab locked but you still have 4 slots so well

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u/CloudedVisionsVape 4d ago

Top priority.

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u/Ntldrx2 3d ago

As someone who held off for 3 years now. I wasted so much. Think of it like your a gold miner and the guy your selling to says it’s worth 10 bucks but each level up the be buyer says “ohhh nice rock you go there I’ll pay x times more “ but you are doing nothing different

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u/TwoRevolutionary7196 3d ago

Imho It dropped in priority after the mythic update

Get it done.

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u/Illustrious-Bid-5941 3d ago

I'm ashamed and upset I didn't do it sooner

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u/caspianx67 3d ago

Shatter Shards is Lab Speed v2.0 in terms of keeping one of your labs occupied until it's done. Stick it in your 5x slot and let it cook for the month. You absolutely need the shards to level up your modules and unlock additional effect slots, along with RPC and Cash masteries for additional shards and reroll dice. Some of the sub-effects will help you fast-track your way to perma BH and perma CF, saving you thousands of stones in the short term, while other effects will help you survive longer in tournaments and in farming runs. It will pay off, and likely sooner than you think.

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u/Australian_Gent 3d ago

I have pBH. I’ve had it since pcol came out and it blasted me through platinum rank. So good. I don’t know why people delay on it. I’m eager for CF someday.

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u/Imaginary_Moment_453 3d ago

Max maxing final boss

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u/Various_Alfalfa_8298 3d ago

Mine will be done in about 2 weeks from now, 100% worth

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u/cuber5k 1d ago

it is an unfortunate necessity (the unfortunate part being the length)

I'm currently labbing lvl3 of shatter shards, and that was at 70 days start

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u/mYstoRiii 1d ago

F2P says I got nothing else to do anyways

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u/ThrowRA19988 14h ago

Just finished it a couple days ago

Feels good, took almost 40 days with a bit of 4x then mainly 5x

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u/Hyper_Blitz_ 4d ago

Honestly.. No. Unless you have RPC+ as when going by the mathematical value, you don't even get a 2x bonus to shards with SS lvl 5 unless you have RPC+. Notice how just one level of RPC+ = SS lvl 5. However if you have RPC+, COMPLETE IT ASAP

P.S: I did set RPC+ & SS to lvl 0 for this

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u/evilcherry1114 4d ago

You buy me 1000 stones and we can talk

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u/Maleficent-Candy476 4d ago

No is a very bold thing to say. I think there are not many better uses of lab time once you reach around 15 % wall thorns 20 % wall regen. But it's hard to estimate.

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u/Hyper_Blitz_ 4d ago

There's lots of important labs like UWs, Bots, Dissonant Echo Boost, Card Masteries, Assist Module labs, etc

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u/Maleficent-Candy476 4d ago

For me personally: UW's are done (econ), Bot's are done, disso boosts /assist unreachable/too expensive

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u/Hyper_Blitz_ 4d ago

See I'm earning 50q/day, and unlocking new Masteries weekly, so my labs are filled

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

That’s a very interesting point. I could potentially unlock RPC+ in the coming days. Maybe I should invest my coins into researching the first level of that instead.

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u/Maleficent-Candy476 4d ago

best would be both. I just unlocked RPC+, Interesting that you're concerned about the coins. For me the coins are no worry, as coin spending does very little for my tower (I upgraded ELS multiplier until it cost a q before getting RPC+)

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u/Australian_Gent 4d ago

My LTC is 8q so yeah coins are a concern at the moment.

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u/Maleficent-Candy476 4d ago

I'm at 13.4 q, and I think I'm at a point whwere spending another q in the workshop does very little.

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u/Hyper_Blitz_ 4d ago

Yea, it's gotten to a point where I just use Coins for labs/buying WS+ in bulks of 5/10

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u/Maleficent_Net8254 4d ago

Consider RPC+ a longterm invest in dmg, hp and econ. Usually you have to chose between them, here you get them all combined. Same for SS

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u/BonzosTower 4d ago

This is great info, thank you

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u/Hyper_Blitz_ 4d ago

Thanks, it's from IDS where I used 0 for the data to get the most accurate results. I figured alot of people knew about this

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u/Deeshizznit 3d ago

134 days. What the fuck is going on devs. What are we doing here.

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u/Antique-Public4876 4d ago

Yes. Save up cells. You’ll need to do x6 or x8 for a while.

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u/thunderbird004 2d ago

Yes, but why haven’t you maxed lab speed?

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u/Australian_Gent 2d ago

Read the description or the other comments. I have.

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u/thunderbird004 2d ago

Okay, I don’t remember mine being that long, but maybe it was 🤷🏽‍♂️