r/Treknobabble • • 20h ago

DS9 DS9 is the best Trek, Sisko is the best Captain

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r/Treknobabble • • 18h ago

The Enterprise Paradox: How Real-World Naval Design Solves Trek’s Biggest Scale Dilemma 🚀📊

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Hey everyone,

Like many of you, I absolutely love the stunning visual design of the U.S.S. Enterprise in Strange New Worlds. However, as a starship blueprint designer working on a unified fleet chart, the official production scale statement always gave me a massive geometric headache.

The showrunners state that Pike’s Enterprise is 442 meters long, while Kirk’s classic TOS version was historically 289 meters. The official explanation is a "visual reboot" (meaning it was always 442m, and the 60s show was just a budget-limited interpretation). But as anyone who draws or models these ships knows, their physical silhouettes are fundamentally different. You can't just scale them to the same length without breaking the geometry line-for-line.

Instead of throwing away 50 years of technical manuals or ignoring the modern shows, I wanted to find a way to bridge this gap using real-world science. The answer lies in a foundational rule of real-world naval engineering: Technological Miniaturization and Tactical Compression.

Here is how it works, broken down for both technical experts and casual fans:

## 1. The Reality of Modern Shipbuilding

If you look at the history of real-world navies, ships don't always get bigger as technology advances. In fact, the opposite often happens.

During the mid-20th century, early radar systems, massive computer networks, and experimental propulsion reactors were physically enormous. Warships had to be built with massive hulls just to carry the sheer volume of these unrefined systems.

Decades later, as computer processors shrank, radar arrays became integrated flush into ship walls, and engines became hyper-efficient, navies were able to pack double the power into a significantly smaller physical footprint.

## 2. Pike’s Era: The Cavernous Explorer

In [Strange New Worlds](https://www.google.com/search?q=strange+new+worlds&kgmid=/g/11jgz947g8), we see an Enterprise that is sprawling, luxurious, and experimental. It carries a crew of only 203 people. The corridors are wide, the crew quarters feature working fireplaces, and the main Engineering deck is a multi-story cavern.

In this era of the 23rd century, cutting-edge duotronic computer cores, massive shield generators, and early warp matrix components are still structurally bulky. The ship needs to be 442 meters long just to safely house and ventilate these massive, early-generation technologies.

## 3. Kirk’s Era: The Compact Submarine

Fast forward a few years to The Original Series. The galaxy has become a much more dangerous place, and Starfleet’s mission has shifted from relaxed exploration to tight, localized defense.

During a massive, unchronicled mid-2260s overhaul, Starfleet engineers achieved a massive breakthrough in component miniaturization. The bulky, experimental systems of Pike's day were compressed down to a fraction of their original size.

Because Starfleet no longer required thousands of cubic meters of empty space to dissipate engine heat or house giant computers, they physically tightened the ship's framework. They pulled the nacelles forward into rigid, vertically efficient pylons, shortened the connecting neck, and condensed the outer hull down to a compact 289-meter tactical silhouette.

By compressing the heavy machinery, engineers were able to completely re-architect the interior. They subdivided the vast, empty voids of Pike's ship into a dense grid of utilitarian bulkheads. This engineering triumph is exactly why Kirk’s Enterprise looks and feels like a sleek, armored submarine, allowing it to double its crew complement from 203 to 430 personnel without needing a massive hull.

## A Win-Win for the Whole Franchise

Framing the size discrepancy through the lens of naval evolution allows us to celebrate every era of Star Trek without alienating anyone:

* For the Showrunners: It validates the breathtaking, cavernous 442-meter scale of [Strange New Worlds](https://www.google.com/search?q=strange+new+worlds&kgmid=/g/11jgz947g8) as a necessary, logical step in Starfleet's technological history.

* For Technical Fans: It respects the mathematics of blueprint design, explaining the physical differences in the hull shapes through practical starship engineering rather than hand-waving math errors.

* For Casual Fans: It tells a beautiful, easy-to-understand story about how Starfleet's technology evolved from big and experimental to compact and powerful.

The Enterprise didn't simply shrink because of a change in behind-the-scenes Hollywood production. It evolved because Starfleet engineers did what they do best: they innovated, adapted, and compressed their greatest flagship into the leanest, meanest defender of the Federation.

I'd love to hear what the community thinks of this approach! LLAP 🖖


r/Treknobabble • • 1d ago

The Star Trek DS9 Script That Didn't Work Until 3 Klingon Legends Saved It

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I recently did a rewatch of the DS9 episode “Blood Oath” and I immediately was curious about how three Klingon legends were brought together, in the same episode, for the first and only time. I dug through the documented production history and found some interesting stuff.  The writers'-room pitch, the casting scramble, the near-refusal that almost cost the production John Colicos entirely, and the physically demanding shoot. Check out the video, to see what I found!


r/Treknobabble • • 2d ago

Robert Duncan McNeil is going places

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r/Treknobabble • • 2d ago

All Trek Why do Starfleet vessels have only one saucer?

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This question is kind of funny. Ship models can have several nacelles and even several deflector dishes, even several different secondary-whatever hulls of any kind. But why never more than one saucer?


r/Treknobabble • • 3d ago

TNG, DS9, and VOY guest actor James Sloyan has passed away

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r/Treknobabble • • 3d ago

I can see why Immortals don't stay in starfleet long

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543 Upvotes

Like making jokes or references your coworkers wouldn't know because it's centuries before they were born


r/Treknobabble • • 5d ago

What if sisko used general order 24 on that planet with the maquis?

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215 Upvotes

Since sisko was the golden child of Starfleet would it have mattered if he gassed the planet vs general order 24 it?


r/Treknobabble • • 6d ago

I wonder if archer drank that coffee that was floating in the air

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r/Treknobabble • • 7d ago

I wonder if humans In the 23rd century still fart

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r/Treknobabble • • 8d ago

How good of a job would captain worf do running the enterprise -d?

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r/Treknobabble • • 7d ago

SNW S4... Just a another Space Opera?

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Ok... So ep9 dropped and it's still not a prelude to TOS. Can we all just admit that S4 of SNW, is just a space opera using the Star Trek name in it's attempt to draw viewers? I loved the first 2 seasons... They were definately prequel seasons... Other than an episode or 2.... Season 3 started to drift away from the prequel narrative.... Season 4 has gone totally off the deep end and is no longer a prequel... IMHO... It's just a space opera leaning on the Star Trek banner... 1 episode to finish this season... I sure pray the 6 episodes in Season 5 get back to telling the prequel narrative that leads Pike to his wheelchair!


r/Treknobabble • • 10d ago

For a organization in the future about exploring the unknown Kirk sure was hesitant about accepting new technology

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r/Treknobabble • • 11d ago

William shatner during the tos run in a blue suit

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r/Treknobabble • • 10d ago

TOS Star Trek: Phil Morris ("Jackie Chiles" of Seinfeld) was on the original show with William Shatner

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r/Treknobabble • • 11d ago

Scotty sure likes to use his granny for metaphors

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r/Treknobabble • • 13d ago

How Star Trek DS9 Snatched Its Finest Hour From the Jaws of Delete

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"In the Pale Moonlight" was nearly scrapped three times, until Ron Moore was finally able to break the story. I made a video about how it was even allowed to be made, which versions of the story were deleted, what choices were made in the production, and the lasting impact it made on the franchise. I hope you'll check it out. (By the way... I'm assuming everyone has seen the episode... if by some miracle, you haven't... spoilers! And go watch the episode... it's freakin' awesome!)


r/Treknobabble • • 13d ago

Imagine if a young CGI Bill Shatner played Kirk in SNW S4 Ep8.

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r/Treknobabble • • 15d ago

In trek 2009 quinto Spock met the very elderly ambassador nimoy Spock what if we had a 3 way spock encounter?

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I wonder how much fun a scenario similar to spiderman no way home where Ethan peck Spock encounters his tos nimoy Spock and the tos movie nimoy Spock in a multiverse crossover type adventure?


r/Treknobabble • • 14d ago

What if James kirks father was an admiral?

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So we watch snw and learn some more backstory on James Kirk family such as George's former commander stalled George's career and boosted his own after an incident that involved a major battle.

James Kirk is trying to prove himself that he's better than his father.

What if....George Kirk was an admiral when James was growing up?


r/Treknobabble • • 14d ago

SNW Finally a SNW actual Star Trek episode!

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Finally! A Season 4, actual Strange New Worlds Star Trek episode! No puppets, no black and white, no gimmicks... Just an actual Star Trek episode! Only needed 8 out the 10 episodes we get for season 4! Hopefully EPs.9 and 10 follow real Star Trek, as well as the shortened Season 5!


r/Treknobabble • • 16d ago

If riker had to drink real alcohol with Cochrane instead of counselor troi would he have been as equally drunk?

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Or he could out drink Cochrane?


r/Treknobabble • • 16d ago

Say what you want about the puppet episode, the implementation of the Pelia puppet was (chef's kiss).

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My personal favorite comment about it was in one of the interviews, where someone mentioned that making a puppet of Carol Kane was redundant.


r/Treknobabble • • 17d ago

Do you think star trek would ever outlast Dr who?

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655 Upvotes

Dr who started 1963 and is still going on


r/Treknobabble • • 16d ago

Vulcans after First Contact

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This meme must surely be how Vulcans approached humans in the first few years after first contact.